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My mother hates my husband (long)

955 replies

badtoworse · 15/09/2012 19:46

I don't live in the UK. DH is from the country we live in. Mum came to live here (divorced and then later my father died) some years ago in a house a short drive away. Soon decided it was a big mistake and that she hated it, then to complicate matters then injured her back and became really unable to manage living alone. We sold my house and we moved in with her. All coinciding with me starting a new business venture and DH becoing unemployed. DH has bascially been unemployed (except for a couple of short contracts) since then. When we all moved in together DS was 20 months (now 4.5) and we've since had another child who's 1.5.

Before we all moved in together I was about to go back after mat leave and all set up (at her suggestion) for mum to have DS while I worked and DH at work. DH lost his job three days before I went back but mum said she still wanted to come up in the afternoons cos she wanted to see DS. She (much later) claimed DH had sat on the coputer and let her do it all. He said (we had a big row about it then) he only sat on the computer while DS napped.

My business has been slowly dying a death so I'm going to be WOH from Monday (previously ran busness from home). Yesterday I had meetings all day. DH supposed to be looking after DCs for the afternoon while I'm out.
I told him not to let my mum do too much, to imagine she was not there as it's too much for her. When I came home I asked mum (who I saw first on coming in) how things had been and she pulled a face and said tell you later.
Asked DH if he'd let DS just spend the whole afternoon with my mum and he said, only a bit while DD asleep..she slept for almost 2 hours. Then I ask mum and she says that he'd sat on the laptop and told DS he couldn't play as he'd wake the baby up and she'd felt bad so spent 2 hrs entertaining DS while DH sat on laptop.

I was really pissed off as I'd asked him specifically not to do this and we had a row.

He says she's exaggerating and that he can't believe I'm questioning his parenting abilities/calling him a neglectful parent and talking about him behind his back. He says DS wasn't with her the entire time, he was in and out and he didn't tell him he couldn't play, just that he had to be quiet as the baby was asleep.

She says he's a lazy git and it's the same old shit as all those years ago, she's had enough and would go back to the UK if she had the money. They've been avoiding each other all day and I feel totally caught in the middle.

I'm so angry that he did exactly what I asked him not to but I can't stand this atmosphere, it's like I'm being asked to choose, my husband or my mother.

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NettleTea · 17/12/2012 13:54

with 50 grand in the bank they may find that their access to benefits is severely limited, as well as any complications to do with having lived abroad.

badtoworse · 17/12/2012 13:58

She left. Has driven off, bags packed. Will try to write later, Ds crying for granny and have to go to work.

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DontmindifIdo · 17/12/2012 14:08

oh wow (thought she couldn't drive, is she safe?).

Don't chase after her and beg her to come back, that is what you are supposed to do.

susanann · 17/12/2012 14:10

let her go

AutumnNowBleakMidwinter · 17/12/2012 14:28

Uh Uh, shes cranked it up a notch, having realised that there has been a drastic change in you. THIS is where you really will have to show your mettle. If you back down now, its over, she`s won. When she comes back - and she will - please stay calm and tell her that you refuse to go along with these mind games any longer. It is going to be so hard for you, but it really is the only way forward for you and your family. Here, hold my hand....be brave.

badtoworse · 17/12/2012 14:38

Parked outside work...Won't be online now til later...will come back on here after work. Supposedly She's housebound and can't drive but today managed to storm off to pharmacy then back then off to bank and has now apparently managed to drive 90 mins to the beach.

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susanann · 17/12/2012 14:42

funny what she can manage when she wants to! catch you later x

NettleTea · 17/12/2012 14:49

she's a bloody fraud.
I suspected it from the moment you said she had injured her back - its such an easy thing to fake, and such a fantastic thing to be able to pull in order to incapacitate yourself. Plus its recurring.
Not saying its 100% made up but your previous references to her doing gardening and its all the 'essentials' she cant manage - like cooking/shopping...
bah. she's been playing you for years, crafty, manipulative old witch lady.

she will crank it up. She will probably threaten to sell the house from under you. Or create some story about an awful near miss accident that happened. Or just disappear for long enough for you to hopefully start worrying about her. Or something. She is plotting while she is away. I suggest you and your husband use this time to reinforce your resolve, because she is going to use every trick in the book here and there mustnt be a single chink in your joint armor or she will try to split you. Try to make sure your DH is present whenever she speaks to you, however tricky that might be, or she will try to play you off against each other. Dont believe anything she says, unless it can be verified by a 3rd party.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 17/12/2012 15:14

Another one offering a hand to hold.

I had a feeling she was embellishing her symptoms too. Don't fall for it OP, she's realised her usual tactics aren't working so she's trying something new.

DontmindifIdo · 17/12/2012 15:44

Oh, I'd definately use this time she's gone to make your own plans that don't involve living in her house or you not feeling you're allowed to spend the profits from selling your own home to house your family.

She has proved herself capable of looking after herself. You need to take notice of this. Don't believe her when she says she couldn't cope without you, she just doesn't want to, not the same thing.

goonyagoodthing · 17/12/2012 15:58

I am so sorry you are going through all this upset. I am hoping that this will be a turning point for you all now and things will get better. When she is not there with you, you might see things a bit clearer. And please know that there is no need to feel bad about all this. There is no doubt at all about the fact that you love her, thats clear. But you need to make a happy life for yourself and your little family x.

2rebecca · 17/12/2012 16:53

If she really had gone that would be good. Don't chase her, I'm concerned that you know where she has been which suggests you aren't able to let her go. She's your mother not your 12 year old daughter. if she wants to go let her and don't check up on her, although as it is her house I doubt she will just leave without a fight and it sounds as though she is just having a nice day out.
Stop contacting her.

badtoworse · 17/12/2012 19:25

am at work, will try and write more later. This is all so fucking horrible.

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HisstletoeAndWhine · 17/12/2012 20:44

oh, she'll be back, people like this don't give up THAT easily!

B2W, above all, see and understand this: this is a game of chicken.

Don't blink, don't flinch, don't waver. Don't react, and above all else, don't PANIC.

When you remain this calm, it'll freak her out. When she starts to freak, know that you are ahead, and that the cooler you stay, for longer, the closer you are to coming out the other side.

The more she loses it, tells you the stronger you are. Don't back down, don't give in, don't cave.

The strongest point of negotiation is to state the facts, state your intention then say NOTHING.

It will be the scariest thing you ever did, but it WILL grant you freedom in your life. Your H will be happier, your DC.

Understand the path ahead of you, and take it step by step.

HisstletoeAndWhine · 17/12/2012 20:46

Yes it is fucking horrible, but you didn't do any of this.

AndBingoWasHisNameOh · 17/12/2012 22:11

Stay strong OP, this is your opportunity to get out

badtoworse · 17/12/2012 23:27

I'm back from work. Read all your messages, thank you for all the handholding. I have such a headache. Work was OK, took my mind off it all a little, although my boss (who is also a good friend) sensed something was up and said quietly, "is everything OK?" just before my last class and I burst into tears and mumbled something about a big row with my mum. She went and started the class for me while I washed my face.

To update:
She stormed off to the pharmacy and then came back. I went in to ask if she wanted a cup of tea as I've been trying to be civil and polite but firm about not backing down. Said she wanted to talk to me and basically said that she wasn't the type to kill herself but this was driving her to it. I said there was no need for that but she had to stop saying DH was a bad dad. Denied she'd said that. I said "well, you don't think he's a good dad", and she admitted that no, she didn't but she'd never said shit dad. What's the difference? Said he uses the laptop too much, I said he uses it if DD is napping and you're playing with DS and asks at frequent intervals if all is OK, you say you're quite happy. He uses it sometimes when they're watching tv and you're wittering talking away at them. I said, it's all irrelevant anyway...he's their dad, it's his decision to make. I told her she had to butt out and stop coming btw us. Are you calling me interfering???? Yes. That seemed to send her over the top. Said, "I thought you liked me helping, I thought you liked talking to me about it" I said that doesn't mean you can criticise DH and tell him what to do. Said at one point she does all the childcare???? WTAF?

Said she'd have to leave as I'd shamed her in front of DH, couldn't live with interfering branded across her forehead.
Started storming off, saying she was going to DB's flat on the coast. Said "you were happy enough for me to interfere when you wanted help with a new baby". I got annoyed then and said, "that's it, throw it in my face" cos she does that, helps you then throws it back at you later. Then she said something really martyr like (I can't even remember what) and I said "that's it, play the martyr". She shouted bitch at me and "you're nasty". all this in front of the workman who'd come in to fix the leaky pipe in the kitchen. Not my finest hour.

Said she was going and wanted the car keys. I thought she meant there and then so said I'd take the other car to work and she said, "oh, you want me gone now?", right, I'm leaving before DS is back from school. I went to fill the car up for her and she drove off. I said 3 or 4 times (calmly) that she didn't have to do this, that she just had to get off DH's back...No no, you've said I'm interfering and poison (never said that) I have to go.

DS came home about 30 mins later and wanted to know where she had gone, so I told him for a holiday. He cried and then kept asking, will she be back at teatime, at bedtime? Sad DH said DS was ok at bedtime but that he's been very huggy and saying he loves him all afternoon, so I know he senses something's really wrong. Like, he thinks someone else might disappear Sad.

Spoke to DB who was really angry with her, but we've agreed he'll not get involved atm. Sent her a text at 3.30 which said I'd rung and not got thru and hoped she'd got there ok and that I loved her. Got one back at 830 saying she'd arrived but couldn't light boiler so not hot water. Sent text msg instructions, she responded, couldn't read msg, doesn't matter. I sent the msg again at 1030 and she sent back doesn't work. doesn't matter. Guilt tripping again.

I would like to point out that she left here with 2 ikea bags full of stuff, and a 6 pack of uht milk, drove 90 mins and apparently carried all that from the underground car park to the flat.

I cannot believe it has come to this.

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fosterdream · 17/12/2012 23:31

OP I have that toxic parents book, if you want I can send it to you? It really helped my DH and even I read it think it'll help me be better parent too. Not that I could ever be toxic after knowing his "family" just pm me you're address

HoleyGhost · 17/12/2012 23:33

Change your username - you can choose for things to get better.

With this repeated suicide threat - if you think it serious, inform the relevant authorities. Get her the psychiatric help she needs.

If you don't want to do that because you think she is just being evil, cut her out of your lives. She will be doing your dc a great deal of harm.

Remember your own post about how you would not do this to your dc?

badtoworse · 17/12/2012 23:49

Might ask for this to be moved to OTBT as she knows I use MN and although she has no internet access atm, I don't want to take any chances.

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AutumnNowBleakMidwinter · 17/12/2012 23:54

Well done, you should be proud of yourself. If nothing else, today has shown you beyond any shadow of a doubt, that she has been lying about her capabilities - or lack of them. Be prepared now for the sob stories about how the drive has "finished " her off, that she cant get out of bed, cant make a meal for herself. All you have to do now is stick to your guns, swallow that ever rising guilt that she has bred into you, and refuse to engage in her mind games.......Easy?.....Nah, but it will make yours and your families life so much easier if you do it. Still holding tightly to your hand.

HoleyGhost · 17/12/2012 23:55

Why? What difference would it make? You don't need to be scared of her.

Her choices are not your responsibility. You don't need (and will never get) her approval

Aussiebean · 18/12/2012 06:22

She is playing you Op. what she expects you to do is beg her to come back. Beg her for forgiveness and grovel. ( it's all a power play. My mother is brilliant at them) (not anymore)

Keep I'm contact with your brother. It is good that he got your side first. Tell each other what she has been saying so you know what is a lie.

Next time she says she has a problem with the your brothers flat, tell her to call him. Its his flat after all.

Dont let her back in. Pack up her stuff and send it to her at your brothers flat.

She has played you your entire life. And you are about to go against 30/40 years or more of intense brainwashing. This will be hard. Lean on your DH, he sounds lovely and enjoy coming home to a peaceful house.

Remember also. She has had 30/40 years of getting her own way, so be prepared for her to up the ante. Just like a toddler being told no for the first time.

Like I said. I have this type of mother and I have little to no sympathy for any mother that does this to her children.

HisstletoeAndWhine · 18/12/2012 07:37

Bang on aussiebean!

OP, enjoy the peace of today and however long you have, imagine what it'll be like when your family is out of there.

Don't contact her again. Leave her to it. Don't beg, don't react.

That was a dealbreaking row. Don't ever let her back into your lives again. Get out and stay out. She has chosen to make it impossible for you to stay.

In the Economical climate that Spain 'enjoys' at the moment, a job is gold dust. This nonsense could end up costing you your job. You can't allow that to happen. Although you could then come home for a better chance at things?

Get angry, defend your life, you H, your DS , your family.

Oh btw, your son's reaction is disturbing. A confident boy would be more relaxed about her not being home. He's soaking up all the tension in your home, from her, and knew that when she was not there, the atmosphere had changed. He's behaving like the child of an abuse victim.

Perhaps because he IS one.

Google traumatic bonding. A person as abusive as your mother is so terrifying, he's formed a traumatic bond, trying to be closer to her than anyone or anything, so she won't hurt him the way she hurts YOU and his DAD.

Get this woman out of your lives, she's damaging all of you.

goonyagoodthing · 18/12/2012 07:52

I am so proud of you OP, and I don't know you from adam! The easiest short term thing might be to break and beg her to come back and things return as they were. But in the long term if you Stay strong, your husband and children will thank you for it, and it will break the cycle of misery you are all living in, you will be happier and your mother will probably be happier as well. I keep checking back here to see if you have updated, and I really am proud of you!