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Redcorn · 11/09/2012 09:13

Am I jealous (it's ridiculous if I am) or just thinking about his safety? and we need help...Hi everyone I noticed that my husband has un usual behaviour towards children...He is a good man and a good husband he loves me so much and taking good care of me and I believe I am a good wife too before we got married I did noticed that he is fun of children ( Female)that's why I told to myself he'll be a good father. (But we dont have children yet)

He's 7 years older than me and he is on his own when he was 19 and now he is on his forty's and we've been together for more than 2 years.

He has the tendency to stare at children unconciously specifically children ages 7 to 14, I don't think sexually but if I'm a parent of those children it will offensive on my part...as his wife i feel embarrassed ...I did point this out to him and he said he is not concious of doing this.. I said that he needs to be careful about this and discipline himself because he will be putting himself in danger that people might accused him of something. I believe and I have faith on him but everytime i saw him staring again I feel worried and I get upset as i expect that he is aware and we already discussed this issue and he said He really don't mean it he is a bit defensive at first and he is not doing this... as he admitted he likes looking at people but not offensively ,but again i pointed it out why mostly children? and he said sorry wife you need to help me then if I am staring to them call my atttention. And he said that it makes him worried that as his wife that I am thinking that he is a weirdo...

I don't know I love him so much and I know he loves me too I want to help him but I dont know how , i must admit I am a kind of person that thinks too much into details maybe I am the problem here maybe i just need ignore this and i'l let him to be himself to avoid upsetting each other.

could you please help..

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Redcorn · 14/09/2012 11:54

*what do you think Mums?

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Redcorn · 14/09/2012 11:56

I just couldn't resolve why he didn't react or behave appropriately when he knew that this girl has a crush on him true or not but still...he is grown man and for goodness sake he is married to a decent woman that cares about him and love him so much...!

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ClippedPhoenix · 14/09/2012 11:59

No OneMoreChap I wouldn't allow a childless man that wasn't a trusted family member to take a girl anywhere.

Redcorn · 14/09/2012 12:03

ClippedPhoenix- I met the Mum once..we spoken but not about this as that point it didn't bother me so much ..and I trust everything ...but even the Mum I can sense that she is intrigue to know me (first she met me) and she sound like defensive in a way that she saying that she trust my husband of giving a lift,,and my husband adore me so much and she loves me...I don't know maybe she fancy my husband too as i heard that to my husband that he is looking for a relationship and knowing my husband likes her children what would you expect of course mother will choose someone that she can trust and most of all that her children enjoyed to be with as a father...Am i making a sense?

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OneMoreChap · 14/09/2012 12:06

ClippedPhoenix Fri 14-Sep-12 11:59:27
No OneMoreChap I wouldn't allow a childless man that wasn't a trusted family member to take a girl anywhere.

What about your [hypothetical] son?

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Redcorn · 14/09/2012 12:09

OneMoreChap- I think if you were my husband .. I'm fine with that knowing that you know your limitation and I know you won't allow anything to happen like this...so meaning I don't have any worries about that if my husband didn't allow to bring this girl to swimming or give her a lift an didn't let her to more close to him by offering this lift and being close to the girls mother when he KNEW that the girl has a feeling towards him ... maybe i will let him give a lift to any of our friends child...or if he is going to stare to the children i will never read to much on it...I don't know if I am making a sense...

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Redcorn · 14/09/2012 12:14

Hi everyone..I hope my threads won't create any arguments...You both contributed a lot to my insights or realizations...Clippedphoenix i really admire your concern , Onemorechap you both have a good point...if I've known you both for sure I did invite you both for nice cold milkshake....smile

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ClippedPhoenix · 14/09/2012 12:15

Redcorn in your heart of hearts i think you know your husband has inappropriate tendancies.

Sweetheart you know Sad

Redcorn · 14/09/2012 12:29

ClippedPhoenix-Yes..and I am still hoping with proper guidance and understanding he can change his ways...he just need to realize this and to accept that not all kindness is appropriate or right is that correct?

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NettleTea · 14/09/2012 12:35

There are a coupleof things i find difficult.
I dont like how he feigns ignorance, and then he passes the responsibility over to you - its up to YOU to monitor him and tell him if he is doing it.
and also a few posts back you say that he tickles the girl, and you are worried that she may say its more than that. He really shouldnt be doing that. Not to a 13 year old who he suspects might fancy him.
My DP tickles my DD, BUT he has been in her life since she was 2, she is 11 now, and I have noticed him slowly shifting the way he interacts with her physically now as she gets older - less 'tickling' and more reassuring cuddles, more age appropriate contact. The tickling isnt right, sorry.

Redcorn · 14/09/2012 12:47

Nettletea-Yes ticking absolutely isn't appropriate I agree he did stopped doing this at moment he is no contact with the girl or any of the family..and I did rsaised that up...he can like a boy sometimes..csan be sound fumny but he is...and being ignorance and passing it on to me..I find it difficult to understand too

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Redcorn · 14/09/2012 12:49

Apologies for ny my wordings I'm typing whilst walking

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Dryjuice25 · 14/09/2012 20:05

OP. I had a guy who was about 35 or so when I was about 11. He gave me lifts to and from school. Nothing untoward happened. He was my dad's friend and taught at the same school. That's what I meant.

dysfunctionalme · 14/09/2012 23:12

Tickling is inappropriate.

Read more here www.notwithmychild.org/

olgaga · 14/09/2012 23:42

Redcorn, you are an intelligent thoughtful woman but those aren't the qualities some British men are seeking when they marry a foreign wife. They are looking for women who know their place, who are submissive, who do not ask awkward questions, who will perhaps more readily accept what they are told about what is acceptable in our culture.

The way you describe your husband - it certainly rings alarm bells for me.

tiredofwaitingforitalltochange · 15/09/2012 01:05

"I certainly wouldn't allow a man to take my pubescent daughter anywhere!
Gosh.
How odd.
Presumably I should have made sure no women took my son anywhere?"

OMC your posts usually make a lot of sense, but this is ridiculous. Countless male abusers groom, abuse and rape young girls (and boys). It's rare for females to do this, which is why we all remember what Myra Hindley did half a century ago.

I'm not vilifying men, it's just the truth. A young boy is infinitely safer just based on statistics with a 'strange' woman than a young girl is with a male stranger. I came from a big family and my parents were always scared of losing us when we went out en masse (they never did). Their advice was 'if you get lost, find a nice lady and say you are lost'. It just makes sense.

And I wouldn't let any man other than their father take my daughters swimming, or tickle them, either.

When I was about 13 there was a man in his thirties who I used to pass on my way to school who kind of 'befriended' me. Now, years later, though nothing 'wrong' happened, I am just struck by the oddness of this behaviour on his part. It's not normal. We all know what the boundaries are in society. I would think it extremely strange if my dh behaved as that man did. I would wonder why on earth he bothered, what was in it for him.

Frankly, OP, your dh sounds really worrying. My daughters are 10 and 12 and if I thought he lived on their route to school I would want them to walk another way. As another poster has rightly said, he shouldn't be asking you to police his behaviour. In doing this, yes, he is shifting the responsibility for curbing his oddness onto you, but he is also admitting he knows his own behaviour is odd. If that's the case, why can't he stop it, and why does he deliberately put himself in potentially compromising situations - getting too close to a young girl outside the family?

I feel sorry for you because you say you love him. It is clear that you are worried about what he might be. Why are you here? I think it is because you suspect that he's a weirdo but you need someone else to tell you that so you don't feel guilty for your fears. If you were confident you really knew him you wouldn't be posting.

Do you know if your husband has any convictions for offences against children in his life before you knew him? Have you tried to find out? The sexual history you have described is odd... no sexual relationships in the past? Sounds like a priest, and we all know what many of them have been found guilty of.

I wouldn't be giving house room to someone I was suspicious had an unnatural and unhealthy interest in young girls - and you are suspicious, aren't you?

This whole thread makes me shudder, sorry.

tiredofwaitingforitalltochange · 15/09/2012 01:23

I'm worried of his behaviour that he might be in trouble in the future if he is not going to find a way how to stop this...

I know it's a weird behavior thats why it bothers me.

if he is going to do it again????????????????honestly I don't have the 100 percent trust on him on this matter...

makes me anxious ot him staring of those children in that bracket of age...

..I am scared maybe if this is the right word that my h has a crush on her too..

All the OP's own words about her husband :( Scary.

president · 15/09/2012 02:16

Hi Redcorn, your concerns about your DH are not unreasonable. I'm sure you're not jealous of the attention he's giving to this other family, I think you just recognise that it's out of place.

When I was small I had one uncle in particular who was so much fun, he was like a big kid, and at family gatherings he always took the time to play with me. We'd sit and play board games together, or we ran around chasing each other in the garden, and there was tickling. Lucky for me, I was never left alone with him because years later I discovered his behaviour had become sexual with another child in my family who had been alone with him. Absolutely devastating. So you see, men who abuse children can be very cunning about it. They spend time building up trust among the other adults as well as the children. It's all a bit of a game for them.

Yes, some families have different boundaries: where one parent wouldn't allow a child to get in a car with a neighbour, another thinks it's fine for her to go swimming with him. Neither of these is wrong. But the question that needs answering is specific to you and your DH - Why does he do this? Why does he want to?

Is he just trying to be kind, or does their trust in him suit his other motivations?

I think you need to answer this question. I would definitely try and find out more about his past, and whether he has any shady history, any past convictions. I don't really know how to recommend you go about it, because obviously you have to be extremely discreet. Hopefully there is nothing to be concerned about and you can move on.

My advice to you is, don't be held responsible for keeping his strange behaviour in check. That is out of your control. In fact, I would be tempted to stop reminding him when his behaviour has become strange, and just observe how long he stares at these little girls for, and then ask yourself - what does your instinct tell you?

Redpearl · 15/09/2012 20:49

Hi everyone and welcome to my new advisers...Thank you for all your concern..it's me redcorn but as you noticed i changed my name to red pearl as I feel better now and re assured..thank you for all your advices...and it's help a lot your concrete,reasonable,concise,and appropriate words it helps a lot to settle this fear or worries of mine.

I had a long chat with my hubby and I said everything I had in mind all the words or thought that I posted here and I mentioned also most of points that I've got from all of your messages it made a difference as it helps him to understand the real context of my being so emo or anxious at first he said I am not clear of what I am trying to say that he just thought that I am just jealous ...but as you've said president I'm sure that I am not jealous of the attention he's giving to this other family,I am just recognise that it's out of place...I don't want to sound defensive but that's exactly how i felt that moment but i couldn't find the right word to how to construct my sentence for him to understand,#

And olgaga thanks for your kind words, you made me feel better all of you!

and for all that are asking if hes got convicted of any issues before ...my answer is no...confirmed and you might ask how? it' long story but i did the end hes been a good man and he is respectful to people...he is a loving son, brother ,cousin and uncle to his nephew and nieces...and maybe forgive I might be over reacting as I just can't accept that he did that to me as -tiredofwaitingforitalltochange says that he deliberately put himself in potentially compromising situations -getting too close to a young girl outside the family...

and I respect him a lot and love him so thats I cant believe that he would done that ..a.s my ego that i never had any problem like this with my previous relationship as they all respect me and love me ...anyway enough about me

...so we had long chat and my h cried that he didn't realised that this is what I've been through...for him he just thought he was doing a good favour to a friend to give the child a life and actually he said I'm not the one who offered but he was asked by the father and he felt awkward to say no as he is a good man and friend to him and bringing the girl to swimming he offered it as for him it;s convenient as he is going to take the girl to there singing class as it's saves time and petrol of not coming back and forth...and he said I have a point of raising this up as it's out of place and he said in regards to having a girl crush on him...he just don't think that at all he forgot that he did mentioned it to me and he said wife if i have an intention of doing because he has a crush on me , I wont tell you in the first place. and he doesn't have any idea that this might affect the girl or affect my judgment against him...

okay to make a story short..we settled it and for almost few months now that hes been disciplined and being careful when children's around even to his niece he is firmed of telling her not too much contact as her niece like seating on her lap and her niece adored him so much... and I Believe him as he is my husband after all and I am his wife that needs my support help understanding and forgiveness and acceptance but I know you react of dis agree ...I love him but it doesn't mean that i let him to do things like this or tolerate him ...I will be here for him and help him that's marriage all about is to be there for each other for better or for worse until death do part...but I will assure you all that I wont let this to happen again and he will too.. we are moving now in 3months time to my homeland..so thank you so much for all your concern advice and it helps and now I'm moving on with my dearest husband...he is not perfect and neither I ...we need to help each other ...thanks you so much and goodbye and this will be hopefully last farewell...or last message ....

olgaga · 16/09/2012 21:23

Well good luck with it all Redpearl but did you really write that last post?

Proudnscary · 16/09/2012 22:12

Hmm

dysfunctionalme · 16/09/2012 22:41

redpearl you can stay in touch no matter where in the world you move to. Do check in here for support if you need to

olgaga · 17/09/2012 00:25

Do you know what, Redpearl. your writing style seems to have changed - or am I imagining it?