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dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 06/09/2012 18:11

so for the last few months my rather antisocial hubby has started going out with a group of mates, im really happy about this as i think friendships outside the marraige are really important and healthy.
his best mate is a girl who is into the stuff he likes, wrestling, computer games ect. he goes out to watch films with her a lot and they socialise with others regualy, i have no issue with this, my best mate is a bloke (although he is gay) she has even kipped on our sofa when they went out so she didnt have to drive home. i have had no suspicions that anything other than friendship has occurred.
she is in a bad relationship, talks about it to him all the time, and seems to say lots of leading things like "my bf doesnt like my breasts, what do you think?" and that suggests to me she may be having thoughts towards him in a romantic way... i have told him that platonic friendships are great but its important not to give the wrong idea...
he assured me she didnt have thoughts like that.
i have become aware that his workmates have been gossiping about them, and that makes me uncomfortable, he assuered me it was one comment from someone really stupid and to take no notice.
well today he left his facebook open and thier messages were there, hundreds of messages, really really flirty.
he calls her sugar tits, says he needs to clear his mind of dirty thoughts of her, many messages of sexual teasing, nothing hardcore, all wink winky, things like, i'll let you dominate me, i'll lie there and take it, he replies i am dripping with antisipation (this is in reference to being beaten in the computer game, but its suggestive and sexual.)
he says, if we carry on going to see films together, people will be even more suspicious, more than normal" which means lots of people at thier work are already suss...
i text him and said, u left your fb open, and i read your msgs, sorry for invading your privacy but i am glad i did,
the level of flirting is unacceptable, and really dismissive of your wife. i feel humiliated after all the bending over backwards i did to accommadate your new mates.
i want this flirting to stop, i am not asking you to end your friendship, or cancel saturday (she is kipping on the sofa again) or to cancel the wrestling (they are going with 2 others to wales to watch the wrestling, him and her are sharing a twin room) i just want you to know the boundries and not overstep them.

he phoned and said nothing was going on, i said it doesnt matter if his penis stayed in his pants, the fact he has been texting her this means he has at least had an emotional or sextual affair. he said nothing had happened, and he was sorry for upsetting me, (sounding irritated now) i said i didnt need him to be sorry for upsetting me, that meant nothing to me, he needs to be sorry for doing it. he doesnt talk to me like that, so he needs to talk like that to someone else.
i said, if you want out of our marraige, tell me, i want to know, dont string me along, and drag it out, if you want out, just go. i wont stop you.
he said he loved being married to me and he loves our children, i said well that wouldnt change would it?
then i said i had to go and get kids ready for bed, and hung up.
was i overreacting?

OP posts:
bumhead · 07/09/2012 20:02

Dancing you are amazing!!

Don't let this dickhead off the hook and I hope that skank gets the message and stays the fuck away!

Inertia · 07/09/2012 20:02

You're doing a fantastic job. They are now working on buttering you up so that you allow the wrestling weekend. They are truly deluded - they seem to think you are open to negotiation with the Wales wrestling trip , and letting the pair of them at it on the sofa.

I'd also be asking him what the hell he thought he was doing talking to her about you . If he is actually sorry, he needs to go no contact with her beyond minimal working civility.

Following the SugarTits line of thought leads us to Dave Coaches from Gavin and Stacey (what a role model for your H to aspire to !) - which in turn brings up the thorny issue of STI checks. You probably want to consider having tests, and insisting that he does too. Maybe that's why you'll both be busy on her birthday...

AnyFucker · 07/09/2012 20:07

good point, inertia re. the STD checks

izzyizin · 07/09/2012 20:21

But you didn't just call him a 'moron', honey.

Your words to him were: i do not believe there was nothing in it, thats its purely platonic, because you wouldnt call someone u didnt fancy sugar fucking tits. you disgusting moron.

You get double points for telling him that he's a 'disgusting' moron.

And treble points for the elegant manner in which you inserted 'fucking' between sugar and tits. Grin

auntpetunia · 07/09/2012 20:58

Wow dancing you rock!

SorryMyLollipop · 07/09/2012 21:34

Dancing. You are amazing. Well done you.

Unfortunately you might need to explain to him that you expect all communication between the two of them, henceforth, to be the minimum amount required to carry out their work duties.

He expected you to want to actually TALK to her! That's just plain daft!!!! They should not be discussing you AT ALL.

Torch Thanks

Xales · 07/09/2012 21:47

Dancing you are on a high right now fuelled by anger. Be prepared for the crash with upset and sadness.

Whatever you do keep that little bit of self respect and strength you have found.

I hope you have caught this before they have gone any further and you can give your H a damn good shake and shock and get back to a good relationship.

I do worry that over the last few months he has started going out with her (and others) and planning hotels away with her that it may have gone further.

Please do go back to the doctor and get yourself on any waiting list for help you can. It may take six months to get but then you can use it to help yourself.

Good luck with sorting this.

Happylander · 07/09/2012 23:35

Blimey what an arse your husband is and what a pair of idiots! You however, are bloody ace. Hope you stay strong. She has clearly paid for him so they can have a romantic time away.

MadameOvary · 08/09/2012 00:20

Xales makes a really good point. Anger plus adrenaline can make you feel on top of the world. It is normal for that to fade and that's when you might start doubting yourself or wonder if you went too far or if you are doing the right thing.
You did not go too far and you absolutely are doing the right thing. If you find yourself wavering, just remember the facts. They will cut through any doubts.
Or re-read the thread, or post again. Many, many of us have dealt with this in one form or another, and we will keep you right.

izzyizin · 08/09/2012 12:59

Madame O makes a good point too.

DON'T doubt yourself - unlike his, your personal integrity is intact and I have no doubt that you would never treat him with the disrespect that he's meted out you to.

That said, at the moment he's not worthy of your respect and he's going to have to dry his crocodile tears and work to regain your esteem by deeds rather than words.

I hope you'll come back and let us know how it's going and, in the meantime, good luck again with your bid.

MigratingCoconuts · 08/09/2012 13:55

Hope you are ok today xx

Houseofplain · 08/09/2012 14:14

Ahhh op he really is simple isn't he?

You however are STRONG.

Midwife99 · 08/09/2012 16:51

How's it going?

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 08/09/2012 22:49

Ditto ^^ We all want to know how you are !!

skyebluesapphire · 09/09/2012 00:46

Just read this from the start. Know how you are feeling, discovered something similar myself, with STBXH texting his best mates wife and having cosy facebook chats, but I didnt discover it after my H had walked out and even then would not believe that he was doing anything wrong. It took the ladies on here to point out what I would not face up to. and I fought them all the way, lol.

I am not one of the LTB brigade, if a marriage can be saved, then that is great, but each persons situation is different.

You have had some great advice here which you have followed. Stay strong, stick to your guns. This friendship is not acceptable.

skyebluesapphire · 09/09/2012 00:50

If you have a child under five, you could probably get counselling through your local Sure Start Childrens Centre. Google it to find the nearest one to you. I am getting free counseling through mine.

dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 09/09/2012 10:25

ok. morning all, i have had a terrible night and about 3 hours sleep so bare with me and my grammar, spelling, sense making...

its gone from bad to worse... or bad to ridiculous.

i will summerise.

Thursday; i discover disgusting msgs to and from sugartits. we talk a bit. he understands my upset, he sleeps on sofa.

friday; wake up, dh comes in, takes my hand, talks about sugartits birthday in oct, can she sleep on our sofa. he doesnt get it.

friday lunchtime; he cant understand why i've come home from work early. he rolls his eyes. i flip, make speech. trumpets, pom poms, fab. he cries, makes promises, flays himself for being insensitive bastard blah blah, i will cancel everything blah blah. he cant possibly fail to get it now!!! he calls from work, asks if i would speak to ST's on the phone...oh wait, nope, he still doesnt get it.

saturday morning; come downstairs, all the junk food for the party is here.
he says, um it is alright for tonight, that she stays isnt it?
what?! er no, not really, i said, i am at a total loss to understand why a grown man and a grown woman couldnt come to the conclusion between them that her staying the night on my sofa was sensitive to my feelings, or appropriate... well, he said, you should have spelled it out! i am sorry he said again, i dont think... ST's did ask if it was appropriate to carry on staying, and it was me that said yeah dw will be fine...
so i said, isnt it alarming that i have to do your thinking for you. i am not going to tell you what to do, its not difficult, you should already know what you need to do, to put me first.... he makes big show of texting her telling she she couldnt stay (like this was news?!)... still doesnt get it.

saturday at work; he phones me at work, am busy, really bloody busy actually, so i say, hia, whats up, quite quickly. oh, he says in a totally cold voice, um, the online food shop needs doing. shall i do it? (i always do it on a sat night to be delivered sunday morn) i say yeah thats fine, just use the faves or old orders to help you, arent your mates there yet then?
he grunts back, only (his male mate) his tone was really rude and abrupt (for a second i thought he must have found this post...)
so i said ok, i will see you later. yes. he said, and he slammed phone down.

saturday evening; finish work and i know they are all there
my friends are all shockingly busy, i am meant to be going out so i can leave them to it idealy (the gaming community would not appriciate me spoiling their fun) dh knows i have no plans as everyone is busy, he had suggested me joining them (half heartedly way before this all kicked off) but no way!
so i thought i would see a film, but then it dawned on me, that everyone would be staring at the poor wife, whispering, and i couldnt. so i sat on a bench.
then i met by chance an old work mate who took me for a quick bottle of wine drink, but she couldnt stay late so i had to go home at some point.
i hadnt realised how awkward and strang it would be walking in to a room of his mates.
but i did, i walked in, put on a happy face and said hello's to everyone, dh said hello.
hows it all going? i say, one boy says fine.
dh looks at me, sits on sofa and continues his conversation with SUGARTITS ignoring me completely.
i stand there for a few mins, like a lemon, in silence while the boys talk amongst themselves and my husband and her sat in the corner having a conversation about a games console.
right, i annonce, i will erm, leave you guys to it then... silence.
i grab my downton abbey boxset and go upstairs.
i realise my charger is downstairs so i call down for him to chuck it up. he brings it, comes in, shuts door, says you ok then? and i say no, that was awkward wasnt it! and he says well you are welcome to join us. (yeah that showed) i said no.

a hour or so later the go for pizza and he brings me up a plate.
he is so cold and i feel so shit and stupid and weak for getting myself into a postition where i am trapped in my bloody bedroom lol.
for the first time since all this happened, the tears came, and didnt stop.

at nearly 12, the all go.

releived i go to the loo, dh asks whats wrong as its clear i have been crying.

i scream. i cry, i scream at him to fuck off, my fury, and rage, and pain seems to channle itself like a fog horn.
i spell out in simple terms that through all the tears of his, the sorries and the promises, all he has shown in his actions since thursady, is his totally lack of feeling, empathy or respect for me.
i said you should have known how i would have felt walking in tonight, you should have made a fuss, introduced me to your mates, asked how my day was, given me a hug... but no, you said hello, sat down and carried on talking to her...
its just, thursday, your first thought was her, and how she had reacted. friday was about her, and her birthday...in october, saturday, was about making her not feel uncomfortable... where do i come in here?

oh, he said i just dont know what to do to fix this!

stop breaking it more than you already have then. think of me first. before you speak or act think, how will this make my wife feel?

the more people i talk about this to, they have all had the same reaction, how his behaviour doesnt make sense. it doesnt. everyone has said, what is he playing at, is he for real, what is wrong with him, how could he act so thick?!

and its got me thinking...
you say you love me, that you are sorry, yet at every turn, you are making everything worse, your actions are at war with your words.
you didnt want to stop her sleeping over, you wanted me to say it, so i would be the bad guy, same with wales... this is what you are doing isnt it?
you want me to end things so its my desicion not yours.

no no he said, i dont want you to leave me or me to leave you... look i will cancel tomorrow (he was going to the cinema after work to watch two films... you guessed it... with her!) we can talk then...

i said no, we talk now.
i said i have put up with so much from you, and it stops now,
you are rude, agressive (not to anyone but in demenor) and grumpy more often than not, me and the kids have to listen out for you in the morning to see what type of mood you are in.
we tread on eggshells, you talk to me like shit, you gaslight me (had to explain that one to him) and in a year where i have needed support from you with my depression and the councelling, you have ignored it, ridiculed my "crazy pills" and made me feel worse.

and now this...

he said, the reason i talk to you like that and get angry and mean, is because we are not living like man and wife, you flinch when we touch, and wont have sex with me, so i get frustrated.

i said, well, when you come for a cuddle, it starts off ok then you start groping and trying it on, and i freak out, i have told you a million times how i feel at the moment about sex, i am terrified after the horrific birth, the first time we did do it after then, it hurt unbarebly, because of the stitches, and that aside, its always on your terms, if i try to give youa cuddle on the sofa you push me off, you dont like me touching you.

and another reason why i dont want to be close to you, and i have said this 100 times over the last few years, is that you dont brush your teeth, and you have one or two showers per year.
you stink. all the time, and yeah, thats a turn off.

the fact you started to shower 2-3 times a week in the last month, and wear cologne, says a lot doesnt it...

yeah well, maybe i think that if she doesnt want me, why should i bother keeping myself nice? he said.

bollocks, i said, the no showering/teethbrushing has been going on far longer than that. far far longer.

he asked if i wanted him to move out. i said i didnt know. i need space, i need to think, but at the moment i didnt know if we would survive this. then he went to bed, i laid on sofa, awake till 4/5am. then he woke late for work and had to run, was really very grumpy and shitty with me, then left.

he just phoned me, said, have you read my texts, i said no i have been online.
he said, well i will let you read them. and hung up.

they say, do you want me to come home tonight?
i am confused, i think i am doing things you wanted me to do, and then you tell me you didnt want me to do them and its confusing.
shall i come home?
i said yeah, we should probably talk some more...

OP posts:
Doha · 09/09/2012 10:44

Ewwwww do you really want him home?

I think OW is welcome to him. She obviously menas more to him than you, but he wants you to do all the finishing and decision making in everything.

Ask him to go to give you some space. I think he will go to her-and put all the blame on you.

Xales · 09/09/2012 10:48

How is it confusing unless he is as thick as pig shit?

You are spot on in that last post. He is just refusing to admit it.

He is putting her first. Everything he does. He is putting her first. Everything he says, he is putting her first.

Dirty messages - her first top of his mind and cock.

Coming to you the next day, holding your hand and asking you sweetly if she can still stay - putting her first. Way over and above your feelings.

Going into work and discussing with her - erm you are having problems with your wife over this woman stop and think for 10 seconds fuckwit!!!

Still not getting that if he had an inch of sense he wouldn't have to fucking ask if she was staying tonight Erm see above and your wife coming home early upset!??!?!

Sitting in a corner cosily isolated with her in a roomful (hard to argue against) but still them all couple-ly) if that makes sense. He doesn't even offer you a cup of coffee or a hug after you get in from work. He stays with her.

Not showering for years... Need I say more on this one Sad

Not cancelling tonight with her until now under duress bangs head against wall - all about her not you.

All his words are to shut you up and stop you moaning. All his actions are her, her, her.

He wants you to be the bad person and end it.

Xales · 09/09/2012 10:51

I am wondering if she did have a bad relationship before your H came along or if she is now making it bad like your H is yours.

All that shit about a man not liking her tits.

dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 09/09/2012 10:52

yes, thats what i think.
i didnt know it was possible to hurt like this.

i dont want to break up our family. i dont, i meant my vows, through good times and bad. but where do i go from here? what do i do? becasue i have no clue at all.

i am so scared of damaging everything over (which is still a possibility) something reletively innocent, and just him being really thick and insensitive.

what shall i do? do i have to act now? because i am just so confused.

OP posts:
bumblebeader · 09/09/2012 10:57

Dancing I've read through this thread and am shocked by his behaviour. I really cannot believe after the past few days she was at your house last night. I would never have been able to show so much restraint. He needs to decide - you or continue this "friendship" with her. I really feel for you. I'm sorry I can't offer any more advice, but I feel for you and support you.

Doha · 09/09/2012 10:57

You don't want to break up your family--but you are not breaking it up he is. He is chosing this OW over you EVERY time and ignoring what you are so clearly saying.
Ask him what he is prepared to do to save your marriage and his family.
Put the ball in his court and let him make all the decisions. Will he be willing to give her and his new mates/hoby up to work on your relationship.
I am not saying here he has to give them up but lets see if he IS prepared to put you first.

Xales · 09/09/2012 11:01

I don't know what more you can do. You seem to have spelt it out in black and white to him that he is putting her above you in everything.

You don't have to act at all. What you do and when is down to you.

Personally I would be saying if you want to carry on seeing her, playing with her and to go to Wales then you are free to do so.

You choosing do this means that you consider her more important than me and our marriage due to the nature of your messages to her.

If you do I will consider that you want that more than you want our relationship and will file for divorce.

You are not choosing to break your marriage. However if he is going off like this and treating you so poorly what sort of marriage do you have?

Just make sure you take care of yourself in all this. Get to the doctors and get help. /hugs

MrsTomHardy · 09/09/2012 11:19

Have just read this thread from start to finish..i am gobsmacked by your arse of a DP.

You've had great advise on here but i do think he's just waiting for you to end it, so you come across as the bad person and not him.

He seriously cannot be that thick can he!!!

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