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Advice about X getting nasty (sorry its long)

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Festivefly · 21/12/2003 14:58

I need some advice about what to do. Three weeks ago i decided i couldn't have contact with my x anymore. Seeing him was tearing me apart. The final straw was when he rang constantly throughout the night to tell me how much he missed me. At first i'd put the phone down and tell him to ring his girlfriend not me. In the end i fell for it and started to listen. He told me what a legend i was, remembered wonderful things we did together. It opened up a healing wound. He said please babe come and see me, you can stay the night, we'll put our kids to bed, and then have a drink and a chat. I told him that i couldn't handle seeing him as a friend, if i got on with him i wouldn't want to leave, and it woild take all my strength to hold myself back from kissing him. To that he said it doesn't matter just come.He told me that he hardly saw his girlfriend it had only been a month it was nothing serious. I couldn't resist it, my heart lifted, and i thought thank god this nightmare is over. I went on the train with my heart beating for joy. I thought finally the man i love has seen sense and gone back to his old self.
I got to his flat there were candles everywhere a hairdryer plugged in, flowers, a make up bag, her post, her art work.......... I felt like vomiting, i screamed what the hell are you trying to do to me, i didn't want to see this. He said what were you expecting to happen, i asked you to come here so you could see where our boys would be sleeping. I started to shake shouted a bit and left. It was the final straw i got on the train home and had a panic attack. Then i went numb. All i could imagine was them together doing what we used to do. A week later i went on anti-depressants. They didn't agree with me so i stopped. He'd done it finally i was going to have my nervous break down.
My family found out about the state of me and took over. I didn't know what i was doing anymore, i'd stopped feeling. They rang him up and said if you want to see the kids you will have to meet them at our house. They changed my telephone no. The immense relief that i gained really brought me back to life. I haven't spoken to him for three weeks. I haven't been called a victim, a whore,lazy.......He would constantly tell me that i loved that he had gone because i could act like a martr and attention seek. I do nothing with my life except watch the kids and i was pathetic for going nowhere, while he is doing a degree.
Anyway he didn't get in touch with my parents so my gorgeous calm kind father rang up and said are you going to see the kids when do you want to, we need to know when to be in because its christmas. He told my dad to go f**k himself. He will not be dictated to by anyone. He will not be seeing them until i stop being stupid and ring him. He said there no way on this earth you are going to call the shots. Nobody has told him when or for how long he can see them. Thats up to him i would never stop him. I just don't want to see him as i nearly lost my mind. He has said that he will ring back, we've all ruined it, hes getting a solicitor, and things are going to change. Im scared, what can he achieve???????
Thankyou to anyone who has managed to read to the end of this without falling asleep sorry its so long, and sorry for repeating some stuff if you know it already. Thanks

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Festivefly · 09/01/2004 14:32

He hasn't parental responsibility.
I told her that he said she doesn't mean anything tutb, but she laughed and said, poor poor you you really have to get over him he is not coming home. I asked her why on earth was she getting involved, and she said because he trusts me and i can help him. She said it is the manner in which you speak to him that causes the problem, you intepret him all wrong. I said listen love i lived with him for six years i think i can get what he is saying, you on the other hand are a naieve patronising little bitch and i actually feel sory for you and your ignorance

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Festivefly · 09/01/2004 14:32

I just asked for a new no. just presumed it would be

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fio2 · 09/01/2004 14:36

Well done FF I just wonder whether he has realised that if you are difficult it will make it very awkward for him to have any access to your sons, so he is trying to bully you and now getting little girl involved. I know you wouldnt stop him seeing them. I dont know why he cant just be sensible and grow up. He puts himself before anything his boys want/need - he is sad. My dad was and is selfish like this too

turnupthebass · 09/01/2004 14:38

you mustn't speak to her again ff. understandably you are now mulling over everything she has said to you and that really isnt going to help.

I assume from the phone call that they have received the solicitors letter? or am i wrong?

what does he (they) actually want?

turnupthebass · 09/01/2004 14:42

you mustn't speak to her again ff. understandably you are now mulling over everything she has said to you and that really isnt going to help.

I assume from the phone call that they have received the solicitors letter? or am i wrong?

what does he (they) actually want?

fio2 · 09/01/2004 14:43

no i do agree with tutb you musnt speak to her again

Festivefly · 09/01/2004 14:48

No the letter hasn't been sent out yet. She wanted to tell me that he had a terrible christmas, and i have to stop preventing him from seeing the kids. She wanted to tell me that he couldn't visit them at my parents house as it was too far away. I said god he lies, to you its a mile from this house. She just basically rang to tell me how bad i've been behaving and how much i've hurt her boyfriend

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nearlymybeetrootday · 09/01/2004 14:53

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fio2 · 09/01/2004 14:53

Well thats rich when he tells you you are going no-where cause all you do is look after 2 kids and do a degree. Anyway she is not the issue here, it is not her fault really he is feeding her bullshit - she is stupid. I am not sticking up for her, but it is HIM really. Oh he is a plonker - you really must not speak to them again. Go back to how it was with contact through your father.

Festivefly · 09/01/2004 14:58

I know beetroot honestly, i had a moment of weakness, i just really started to feel shit again. I have let myself and all of you who have helped down. I will i will i will move on. I am actually disgusted with myself and the way i spoke, i think i have just kept a lot in and i blew.

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fio2 · 09/01/2004 15:00

You havent let anyone down. You have been really strong, just get back to how things were a couple of days again.

fio2 · 09/01/2004 15:00

couple of days ago i mean.

nearlymybeetrootday · 09/01/2004 15:20

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sis · 09/01/2004 16:49

FF, print out Beetroot's post, make a few copies and stick then on your phone, mobile, etc - it is good advice. Of course the girlfriend was way out of order but mainly in a naive way cos she believes everything he says whilst you thankfully have moved on from that. all the best,
sis

Lou33 · 09/01/2004 16:49

I think you can get specific numbers barred from calling you FF, have you tried asking BT?

Big hugs to you. You may have called him, which was a mistake, but irrespective of that, his gf had no right to involve herself. It will not look good from a solicitor pov surely, esp when he has no parental responsibility right now?

sis · 09/01/2004 16:49

er, that's Beetroot's 2.53pm post...

JanH · 09/01/2004 16:58

LOL, sis - not "yes put it behind you and remember it was only a blip"????

outofpractice · 09/01/2004 17:02

Bit touchy feely, but perhaps will help. I like www.oprah.com which has lots of good advice and quizzes to make you think. January is a good time to focus on you, and what you would like this year, rather than what leftover problems there are from your ex. Ff, you could have so much fun with your kids and your friends, and do some things that really take your mind off these problems, or even daydream about all the things you will do in the longterm.

aloha · 09/01/2004 22:16

OMG, how utterly awful for you. Never, ever speak to this stupid woman again. How dare she call you? Agree that if she EVER calls you again, put the phone down and say, "I have nothing to say to you". She'll get his shit soon enough and maybe then she'll learn. Phone your telephone service provider and ask for those calls to be barred. If not, change the number again. I am just SEETHING on your behalf. Patronising cow.

Janstar · 10/01/2004 12:12

Hi Forestfly

I can't say whether this woman is genuinely trying to help or whether she is being a cow, but she definitely has it wrong, either way. She thinks she has all the facts, and this is most unlikely given your ex's track record. I loved your remark about October, bet that gave you satisfaction, thinking of the ensuing conversation between them...however, it would be best not to indulge in this sort of thing in future.

A tactic I found worked really well for me with my obnoxious ex was to be polite, friendly and helpful at all times, even when he was being unreasonable. Sometimes I would be seething with anger inside, when he was being unfair or incredibly rude and insensitive, but I kept up the impassive front.

For years this served me well. He always thought I was on his side, although I wasn't. So he was less abrasive and a little more cooperative. It also helped when his girlfriends became difficult, as I knew he would be telling them they were the unreasonable one, since he got on so well with me.

It meant the kids never had to witness arguments. It meant that he thought he could trust me and talk about his business in front of me. So I was kept informed about some things. He probably thought I was still secretly hankering after him, but I didn't care because I knew with his ego that he would want to keep in with me to have that flattery.

At every turn he thought I was deferring to him, when all the time I was really contemtuous.

I found that when I really needed him to come through with arrangements I was able to mention the fact that I didn't ask for much, and always fell in with his requests, and this helped make sure I got my own way. He had a lot to lose by upsetting me, so he thought twice about doing so.

This worked for me for many years until the contact came to an end. In the end it amused me that he thought so much of himself it was easy to perpetuate the myth of the discarded woman who still wanted to be his friend. I had the postition of power, but he thought he had.

It gets to be a right laugh when the wronged girlfriends of these a**eholes malign you at first (when they are fed lies by him), then gradually become confused and doubting, then finally come to you for advice on how to handle him (this has happened to me time and time again). What makes them think you are going to care?? What are these people on? It has been quite an incredible exercise in observing human behaviour actually.

Take the upper hand, girl. It's best done without him ever knowing.

Festivefly · 10/01/2004 12:21

Thank oop ill give it a go
And thanks Aloha, i will put the phone down, its my fault for contacting him in the first place

Totally got the blues now, i've been an idiot this weekend. I feel horrid, i am sick of this emotional rollercoaster, of all the bloody pain coming back. I wish i could just forget about him, i don't want him back. But it is so hard this week shaking off all the hurt and anger i have. I am sick to death of feeling like this, i am constantly treading water sometimes i'm swimming along quite fine. Really positive and happy then i just seem to sink.
I know as you have all told me it will stop one day, just so so tired.

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Janstar · 10/01/2004 12:41

Remember next time you go to pick up the phone how exhausted you feel now and maybe it will stop you.

Festivefly · 10/01/2004 12:57

Thanks Janstar for your advice, i will try to say polite and above it all. I just get so angry when he tells me things that just aren't true and i just can't seem to keep my temper anymore. It is very frustrating. I don't want him lying and making out he has done nothing. I realise though that there is nothing i can do about his attitude, i can't change him. I tell you something though he has to learn to change himself as he is in a huge emotional mess. He doesn't seem to know who he is anymore.
I won't ring again i feel guilty that i have left things with him in a angry, foul abusive way. But it had to come out at some point.
I will remember how it makes me feel though, never ever have i been so patronised to by a 20 year old girl with no kids. Her voice was so condescending as she told me what i should be doing.I just boiled up.
I don't ever want to shout at them again, i lost that day, i showed them both what a lunatic i was, and it made them feel better as it clearly is a nightmare for him to put up with his insane x.
I will truly try and take your advice, i will be polite and a lady I can't be his friend though i dont want him confiding in me, i couldn't bear to be that close to him. I will just let it all go over my head instead of rising to all the crap they are saying. I hope i can do it
Thanks again

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Janstar · 10/01/2004 13:10

You are not doing it for him, but for yourself so that you can keep your dignity and use his ego to your own advantage. I am sure my ex thought I was some kind of harmless imbecile but I never cared because I knew I had the upper hand all the time. At the end, when we went to court, he made the mistake of taking us for fools and boy did he get a shock!

Janstar · 10/01/2004 13:13

And you have to stop worrying about his unhappiness and hoping that he will change so that he can be happier. He is not your responsibility. I used to do this and all it did was drain me of all my energy and confidence for myself. He is causing his own problems and you can't save him.

As for her ladyship - I think we all thought we knew it all at 20, didn't we? Feel sorry for her, she is sure to have to learn the hard way with a boyfriend like him. One day it will occur to her that you lived with him 6 years and had two kids with him, and it will be you she turns to for advice. I am sure you will find it risible.