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Separation & beyond.. Lala goes forth!!!

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LalaDipsey · 01/08/2012 18:49

Hi everyone. Well, the saga continues. H turned up for his single 'abuse assessment session' on Monday to find that the counsellor had, by mistake, booked him in for Wednesday instead of Monday! I was fuming!
I spoke to them and said it may just be one more week to them, but to me I had mentally psyched myself up for H to have this DV assessment and was then ready for a session this Monday coming either together or on my own. Nothing could be done but I was gutted as I had hoped us to be significantly further along by next week and now we won't be.
On the plus side, night 3 of sleep training tonight so hoping for a massive improvement.
Had no idea what to call this thread... Felt this was still the right place as I extricate us from this relationship but I hope by the time this reaches 1000 posts H has either moved out, or is living here whilst the divorce is being processed so I hope the title sums that up!!
Thanks for everyone still with me

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PlopButNOPudding · 11/09/2012 03:35

I'm not ending it now because he really does seem to have changed and I'm waiting to see if that changes things for me

He hasn't changed. All that's happening is that you are being further controlled and manipulated.

Every act if 'good' behaviour is nothing more than dangling a carrot - this NOT for your or the dc's benefit. It is NOT evidence of a new leaf or he wouldn't be effing off to the pub when he's supposed to have stopped drinking and then making you feel responsible for his actions.

In fact these acts are token and insincere gestures, so that he has 'currency' to throw back in your face if you assert yourself or 'accuse' him of anything.
E.g:
'how can you say I don't take part in family life? How much more do you want from me? I read dd a story didn't I? You are very ungrateful- after all I'm working all day and you don't. It's your job to look after the dc- isn't it? I am actually going out of my way here' etc etc etc

I am looking for 'permission' or 'help' to end it. I don't know why

I think there is an element of you just not wanting to end it. You are looking for excuses not to. This is not a weakness, but a side effect of the abuse and how it's damaged your self esteem and confidence.
Try not to question why you are finding it hard. It IS hard, that feeling is not going to go away, its normal to feel this way. But you have to set your mind to leaving and do it- ignoring the little insecure voices asking you what if...

To quote something I saw on another thread - you are on a bear hunt. Can't go under it. Can't go over it. Got to go through it.

He is trying to prove he can be 'all I want him to be' and has his anger under control now, is helping with the dc

He's not. His efforts seem pathetic at best.

He's conditioned you down. To accept less and less as an acceptable way of living.

The thing is lala, this is what abuse is. You are bullied into actually believing that a substandard life is acceptable and that you don't deserve more.

But in accepting this substandard life you not only choose it not only for yourself but your dc.

Your h's behaviour is only going to get worse. Babies are quite easy to keep out of the way. Sure they cry, but they don't move, or talk or make a lot of mess.

In 3,4,5 years time they will be causing your h considerably more 'inconvenience' and he will become more abusive, angry and probably physically violent towards them.

Even if your h is 'nice' their childhood is going to be dysfunctional despite your best efforts and good mothering. unfortunately you can't protect them enough.

  • they are not going to be 'allowed' to have friends round, or sleepovers
  • not only will they miss out on the wonderful experience of having a fun, supportive, engaged dad. They will live in fear and uncertainty and 'not rocking the boat'
  • you can't share a bedroom with teenage twins with Dad in another room because he dictates where everyone sleeps... what is going to happen as they get older?
  • Imagine them explaining to their school friends that mummy and daddy sleep in separate rooms and their confusion that other families aren't like this? Way, way worse than saying that mummy is single. (which is nothing to be ashamed of, and also unlikely because you'll be with someone wonderful who loves you and your dc because that's what you all deserve)
  • they will realise from spending time with their friends' families that they have a very dysfunctional arrangement and they will resent you for not leaving him and providing a better life for them
  • they will learn unhealthy and damaging behaviour from your h and copy it: anger, manipulation, selfishness, violence, alcoholism....

Lala, you know what to do. You know how to do it.
Please leave him.

mathanxiety · 11/09/2012 03:44

Seeing through his blaming is a very good step in the right direction.

Lagartijadoesthecrazyshake · 11/09/2012 14:44

you're doing so well lala. Keep moving forward.
xx

mathanxiety · 12/09/2012 22:15

How is Dtd's uti coming along?

mathanxiety · 12/09/2012 22:15

And are you managing to get any sleep?

LalaDipsey · 13/09/2012 10:50

Hi. Dtd seems fine now thank goodness. Monday night i had 8 hours sleep hurrah!!! Last two nights not so good, but onwards and upwards!!!
All a bit strange here. H last night just started properly sobbing. Saying he knew it was all his fault. Couldn't believe it had come to this. He was sorry, so sorry. Knows he has made himself expendable. Wishes he could make it right. Etc etc.
I gave him a hug. Said it was ok to feel crap. But I didn't really say anything else. Didn't say I wanted it to be ok too. Didn't reassure him. Didn't sob with him. Feel horribly guilty. Feel like I can't rip his world away. Seems so unfair he would have to live in a small flat without a garden (& he loves gardening) whilst I keep a house.
But I really don't think I love him anymore. And then, regardless of everything else, there isn't much point is there?

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LalaDipsey · 13/09/2012 10:51

Math, thanks for the link. The selective memory bit really resonated with me as I couldn't work out how, until things started happening with DTs, I had forgotten how awful he had been when dd was born. How could I have sort of blocked a lot of it out? And this made some sense. Thanks

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QuintessentialShadows · 13/09/2012 11:10

Oh LaLa, I have not seen your threads since I decided to "hide" them, and you moved to the secret place. Saw your thread in active convo, and I am sad to see that you are still putting yourself and your children through life with him. You are still questioning, and hoping, and convincing yourself that he can change. Just because he now and then decides to act like he is almost a normal person. Now and then. This is how he keeps you. This is how he manipulates you. The sad thing is that you know it. I feel so sorry for your children, they have not choosing this life, even if you are. Aside from now having relate to steady yourself on, and a nanny, you have not really come that much further, I wonder if all that help is enabling you to stay on?

LurkingAndLearningLovesOrange · 13/09/2012 11:11

regret to say I agree with Quintessential. :(:(:(

CatPower · 13/09/2012 13:10

The sobbing? More emotional abuse and manipulation, designed to make you feel guilty for wanting to separate and question yourself again.

Lala, this is painful to watch/read about. He's got you hook, line and sinker and you don't even seem to want to do anything about it. Sad

CatPower · 13/09/2012 13:15

Hang on, let's change things up a bit.

You admit you don't love him anymore. Doesn't he deserve to be with someone who does love him?

Don't you deserve to be with someone who loves you properly, who puts you and the kids first, who treats you as an equal and with respect?


Your children are young enough to not be too distressed by the separation. They'll grow up having a happy home with a happy mummy, and a happy daddy in his own home too. It'll be completely normal family life for them, just as it is for many other kids. Don't they deserve to have happy parents?

mathanxiety · 13/09/2012 19:46

The thing about the sobbing, etc., is -- is he still drinking? And what is he going to do to retrieve the situation, if not for you then for his own sake? If he thought alcohol was a serious element of all the problems then he would be doing something about drinking.
That was a scene where he invited you to rescue him instead of pondering in a sensible and mature and responsible way how he could dig himself and the relationship out of the hole he has you all in.

Basically he doesn't think he has an alcohol problem.

You did very well to do what you did and say what you said. It was quite nicely neutral and you probably came across as someone who is in control and not about to run to the rescue.

(The impulse to rescue is not your friend here -- it is an ego booster but it is the emotional equivalent of a sugary doughnut, 'moment on the lips/lifetime on the hips', something to be regretted at leisure).

hillyhilly · 15/09/2012 20:47

Lala, are you still clear on what you want and where you are going? Do you have in mind where you and your children will be by Christmas? Time drifts along sweeping us up in the day to day unless we take control of our lives.
Hope you're having a good weekend and getting some rest.

LalaDipsey · 15/09/2012 21:00

Hi. I am getting clearer again. H has just been an arse again tonight. Went out 4.45-7 to the pub. I then took 45 minutes to myself after dc in bed and had a bath. Came down and H had put a pie in the oven.
He then got stressed we were out of corn on the cob and mashed potato. Muttering and throwing things around. Making me feel sick and twisty in my stomach again.
He served me half a pie, upside down on a plate with a dollop of mash. When I pressed 'play' on episode 2 of Dallas (oh my goodness how fab is it???!!!) and Christopher and Rebecca were having sex he stormed out, taking his meal upstairs.

I am saddened. I can't believe I have to end my marriage. I know i keep coming up to the fence and balking but im getting closer.Top top priority at solo counselling Tuesday is to talk about how I keep refusing to jump.
Math you have given loads of useful links / book recommendations - which would you advise most to read right now? Stalking the Soul? Thanks Smile

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LalaDipsey · 15/09/2012 21:07

He's just come downstairs and said 'just so you know, I'm not angry. But I'm going to my room now'
Wtf????

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CatPower · 15/09/2012 21:40

He's miffed because you didn't react to his tantrum, that's why he came down to tell you where he'd be, incase you fancied witnessing some more sobbing and emotional blackmail. Stick with Dallas, Lala, don't give him the satisfaction. Wink

You're doing brilliantly tonight, stay focused, it will get easier in time. x

LalaDipsey · 15/09/2012 21:45

Thanks Cat I hadn't thought of it like that. And how dare he tantrum!!!! I cook 3 bloody meals a day for the 3 dc the least he could do on a Saturday is cook dinner for me without blowing a gasket!!!

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mathanxiety · 15/09/2012 21:49

I know that Stalking the Soul hit a lot of buttons for me and I found it very useful.

Best way to deal with a tantrum and the sulks is to ignore. You can mutter 'sorry you feel that way' to his back...

LalaDipsey · 15/09/2012 22:06

Ordered. Thanks. Smile

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SecrectFarleysNibbler · 16/09/2012 07:47

Lordy god Lala! How old is he?!?! Coming back down to tell you he isn't angry is the tactic of a toddler who didn't get the attention they were seeking with the first tantrum!!!!

If this is the state he gets in over preparing a meal what reaction are you going to get when more tough situations happen in your family life??

You are offering him EVERY opportunity to mend this and his response is to lurk off to his room like a moody teenager rather than spend some time with you trying to rebuild. What a golden opportunity he had this evening to do something thoughtful for you like help get the kids to bed and make a nice meal, spend time with you all - but he chose the pub and a sulk instead. He is really not making the effort is he.........

DippyDoohdah · 16/09/2012 08:11

Hi LAla. Agree with the above, he is not addressing the issues or making an effort. i know what I would like to have done with the topsy turvey pie!!

Bossybritches22 · 16/09/2012 12:57

ooh a flounce TWAT

You are standing up to him & he doesn't like it, keep up the good work Grin

LalaDipsey · 16/09/2012 13:10

He hasn't done a lot to counteract the fact he was sobbing that 'he had made himself expendable' earlier in the week and this weekend has then consistently buggered off at crucial meal and bed times. He got up at 8.30 today. Now, I know that's not a lie in by anyone's standards except mine at the moment but I had been up since 6, fed DTs, showered, got breakfast ready for all 3 dc, fed them breakfast (messy!!) and cleaned it all away and got the 3 dc dressed all before he got up (not to mention dealing with dd regular tantrums about nothing in particular and the fact that Dts is a velcro baby so anything which means I put him down means he just cries and cries and cries!!!!!!)
I am doing this on my own anyway so just need to make that official.

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LalaDipsey · 16/09/2012 13:11

X post - love that - a flounce twat!!!! Grin

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Midwife99 · 16/09/2012 15:47

This is it now honey - he needs to go .....

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