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i think i have just realised that im not going mad - or am i?

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vanilla01 · 11/06/2012 07:55

i think its just hit me - especially reading the posts in EA & VA relationships - i think im living with one who is both
i thought i was going mad, i was selfish (as im often told), i was useless always doing things wrong. - but am i?

it started shortly after we moved in together 6 years ago after having my daughter - prior to that we had been seeing each other for 12 years living in our separate homes, seeing each other when OH could fit me in inbetween his mates, social life and HIS family, but i was besotted (stupidly) and went along with it all. When he one day said lets have a baby and live together i was thrilled, so we did.

We moved to a small village about 20 miles from where we used to live (his choice- something to do with giving our children having a safe and lovely life in the country (but this was quite a distance away from my family and friends) i eventually had to give up work which was a hour and half journey each way after his constant nagging that it was too much with the (now 2 children), i really didnt want to as it was my little bit of independence, but he wore me down and i handed in my notice. i talked myself into it being ok, i still did my OH admin and accounts for his business from home, so i wouldnt be bored when the kids were at school.

i was very isolated at first - didnt know a sole but me being me i eventually got out there and started meeting mums, went to the local playgroup ect, and now have some very special lovely friends who persevere with me despite my always letting them down, blowing them out and being very distance when with them when i am with them waiting for my OH to call me to find out why im not at home (and thats during the day!). OH constantly says why do you have to get too familiar with people you hardly know, they have time to have coffee mornings all day long but you dont. we are always asked out with their OH's but i have to make my excuses as he never wants to go.

Then came the everyday augments "your not working why is the house so untidy" "what are you doing all day" - "you put all your friends first before the house we live in, i work every hour to come home to this" i would like to point out at this stage my house is clean and tidy but after a while i got so nervous before he came home that he would start shouting over the smallest spek of dust (believe me he does the running his finger over the picture frames ect) i started to clean everyday, even put off coffee mornings to clean. funny enough he still comes home shouting that the house is untidy - apparently i dont clean properly.

The thing is i really try and try and try to please him, i take on board his criticism of me and work even harder the next time, but it is so soul destroying to still be told your still not doing it right, or your still useless. you get to the stage where you are so drained, you just accept what you are being told and completely believe it.

He rings me almost every hour daily to see where i am and god forbid if i am having cofee with a mum, "when are you going to get my book work done, i needed an invoice done urgently. what about that job i asked you to do this morning." thats when i would sit and rack my brains - what job? "you dont listen are you stuipid i told you this morning (shouting) i need an invoice done" - i must be going mad i dont remember that conversation at all. this happens most weeks - i have got to the point where i am really thinking about seeing someone about my memory - i think im going mad.
Then there are the things that i type up incorrectly, or send to the wrong person - "you are useless, you cant be bothered to do things right - im out working every hour for you to constantly cock things up, cant you do anything right."
when i say i am a constant nervous wreck that would be an understatement. When he calls i think s**t what have i done now.

My mum and dad started coming over each week, because it was difficult for me to get away to see them what with the kids and OH business keeping me very busy, i ring him to tell him they are coming over, initially he would make himself scarce, now its "im working from home today they cant come over - too distracting" my mum and dad now come over once a month if that for a few uncomfortable hours, and OH is never there. they have never been round for dinner, christmas nothing!!! they came round once on my DD 1st birthday and OH made me so nervous he kept pulling me into the kitchen having a go about different things, he was so off with them it was awful and embarrassing that i thought never again.

his family however are always over for christmas, meals birthdays ect, which in all honesty i dont mind because i enjoy cooking for people and the social side - although it does annoy me when i am constantly told that i should cook the way his sister cooks, she is so good at this and that - in fact she is the perfect housewife, cook, mother there ever was so im told. the voice im my head is usually backing up what he says telling me that im a terrible mother, im always putting others first, im selfish and my priorities are all wrong. he must be right then.

I have always enjoyed cooking and love baking cakes - one day last year someone asked me to do some cakes for the DD birthday - and i did - i got paid for it and everyone told me how lovely they were. i was so thrilled that i was being praised for something i was finally good at!! see im not useless. i thought im going to set up a small business baking cakes. so i did OMG when i told OH he told me how what a stupid idea, noone would buy my cakes beside it was a complete waste of time for little money, and dont forget my priorities are the home and the kids i would not have time.
unfortunately for him and fortunately for me word got out that i was pretty good at baking cakes and started to get asked to do them. Without telling him (for fear of being told that i couldnt) i set up a small business and started baking whilst he was at work, which is very stressful as i would be trying to take his calls with his daily instructions on what to do and what not to do, plus secretly bake. I have not pushed the business tho, and have tried to keep it at the moment to one order per week purely because he will find out if i do anymore than that. but im loving it and so want to expand. he does come home at times to find me baking and goes absolutely mad, and says "you would rather bake for people you dont know than clean house, do my book work, look after your children - you are selfish, self centred ive never met anyone like you"

so how did i find my way here on mums.net - well i finally sort of woke up last week when my OH went out on a all day racing jolly with his mates for his birthday, one of my friends said come over to mine in the evening if you fancy it. i thought lovely - OH wont be home to early hours that would be really nice plus my kids and her kids get on. so there i was i had just got round my friends when my phone rang - it was him, i answered and in a very drunk voice he said "where are you" "i said round my friends. he said i need picking up, so i said i have only just got here and we have ordered a takeaway i cant just leave. he put the phone down. i prayed he would carry on with his night and leave me alone. NO - an hour later my phone rang - where the f*k are you im trying to get in the house - i have no fking keys your so selfish. this was said in an arrogant nasty voice. i was terrified - i just picked up the kids shoved them in the car and raced home - my friend just stood there thinking what the f*k.

Couple of days later i was with my friend and i just broke down i told her everything - she couldnt believe what i was telling her - she said i was one of the loveliest people she had ever met - me really? - and HE was a bully and told me he was controlling me and it was wrong - i found myself saying but i do sometimes forget to clean the kitchen floor, or do his bookwork wrong, and put my cakes first - she said listen to yourself - you are your own person and a lovely one at that, none deserves to be controlled or treated like that. so i started to look up relationship problems on the internet and found the thread on here - are you in a VA or EA relationship - as i was reading it i though OMG thats me.

But what do i do now - i have too very young children, leaving would traumatise them - (believe it or not he is a brilliant dad and they love him), plus he would not let me leave without a huge fight (and i dont mean physical) - in a nut shell im terrified of leaving.

One thing i am trying to learn tho to keep me going is that despite the constant putting me down, criticising and the controlling is that im not, there are so many things i can do and i dont deserve to be treated like this.

The other is that i have found some lovely friends who love me for me unconditionally and have said "they arent going anywhere regardless" without them i wouldnt be here (as in realising the above).

x

OP posts:
TantrumsAndBalloons · 11/06/2012 08:02

I really didn't want to leave this without answering, although I am sure one of the wonderful women who give fantastic advice will be along shortly.

I just wanted to say that you are worth so much more than this man.
He is not a wonderful father if he is constantly putting you down, and controlling you.
I am sure this is not how you want your DCs to grow up.

He is EA. And now you have faced up to that fact.
Now you need to make plans.

You can leave and have a full and happy life with your DCs.

This man cannot prevent you leaving. You seem to have rl support which is great.

Mum2Fergus · 11/06/2012 08:03

Oh my poor love, no ... you're not mad. But you have to get you and your children out of this horrendous situation. You cant go on functioning like this.

bleedingheart · 11/06/2012 08:09

A brilliant dad doesn't demand his wife and children do what he wants all the time.
I'd be surprised if he had told you about the invoices, I think he's trying to undermine you and make you lose confidence.
Can you stay with family? They will have seen him for what he is, hence him isolating you.
What an utterly horrible situation for you, you sound so lovely and caring.

Dee03 · 11/06/2012 08:11

You sound lovely....you need to leave.

PooPooInMyToes · 11/06/2012 08:12

Yes you are right it is a horribly controlling relationship. Yes it will be difficult leaving but you also know its what you need to do.

Your kids will be fine. In fact long term they will be better off as they won't be growing up seeing you treated like that.

PurplePidjin · 11/06/2012 08:12

Please listen to your friend and your instincts.

He is not a good father, because he is teaching his children by his every action that women are worthless slaves. Nothing he says to them will counter that. The best thing you can do for them is show them that it is not acceptable to treat another person with anything other than respect.

The Domestic Violence web guide linked above your first post will contain advice on how to go about safely extricating yourself from this relationship. You say he's not physically abusive, but the practical stuff is the same as are the organisations who are set up to help you.

Good luck :)

chocoraisin · 11/06/2012 08:16

a fantastic dad doesn't destroy the mother of his children, belittle her, grind her down and teach his children that her ideas, needs and thoughts are meaningless :( I'm so sorry you are living with this. I really hope that someone comes along with practical advice. Please, whatever else, hold this in your mind: there are worse life events than divorce!! Your children will be fine!

Can you picture yourself, three years from now, baking from home with your children happy and settled at school? With friends popping round for the weekend just because it's nice to see you and for your kids to play? Choosing what you fancy on TV and wearing what you feel good in, feeling sexy and (Shock) leaving the washing up til morning because you just don't fancy doing it?

You are not mad, selfish or lazy. You sound lovely. I'll be thinking of you and hoping you find a way out asap x

TanteRose · 11/06/2012 08:18
Sad

your memory is fine, wrt the invoices etc.

he is using an abusive technique called "gaslighting" by suddenly saying that you have forgotten to do something that he asked, and you can't remember. He never asked you - he is playing a very cruel game with you, trying to make you THINK you have forgotten and are going mad Sad

That is not what a normal person does - he is not normal.

please try and get out - you sound as if you could make a real go of it on your own with your cake baking etc. Smile

Hyperballad · 11/06/2012 08:25

Reading your post makes me so sad. You will have such a weight lifted off your shoulders when you leave this man. I'm sure the women with step by step advice on how to leave him will be along soon.

Your future is looking very bright now you have realised what situation you are in, looking forward to reading your happy posts in the future. Smile

CailinDana · 11/06/2012 08:26

I actually felt queasy reading how you live. You must be incredibly strong to put up with that level of abuse and still be such a positive, active person. I've been on mumsnet for a while I think that's easily the most abusive situation I've heard of. Is he ever kind to you at all? Ever?

Don't fool yourself that he is a great father - he absolutely is not. You are the centre of the universe to your children and for them to see you being treated that way is slowly but surely damaging them. How must they have felt that night you had to dash home from your friends house? They would have been totally aware how nervous you were - it must have been terrifying for them.

In a normal relationship your OH would be delighted you started the business, would be offering to sample cakes for you and would be supporting you in any way he can. Instead he just criticises you constantly for things you don't even do. Nothing you will ever do will be good enough for him because he's not actually commenting on the real world - he is just finding ways to put you down.

It's time to make a plan to leave. The friend you told sounds like she could be a great help. Would your parents be supportive?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/06/2012 08:46

"believe it or not he is a brilliant dad and they love him"

Everyone excuses their personal bully-boy with this one I've noticed. This 'brilliant dad' is treating the children's mother like shit, smashing her self-esteem and demonstrating to his children that the way to behave in a relationship is to be a bully. Your children may already be more traumatised than you realise because children are young, not stupid. Try not to use how you imagine your children will react as the rationale for doing nothing.

The hourly phone-calls are such an alarm bell, even if there was nothing else. Suggest you deliberately don't answer the phone all day & reassert your independence. Let him show himself in his true colours. Then see a solicitor.

Good luck

Lovetats · 11/06/2012 09:16

I know what it's like to feel paralysed with fear at the thought of leaving a marriage but you could just throw a few bags in the car and take yourself and your children to your parents' house today. It's as simple as that. Everything can be sorted from there, once you're safe from this abuse with the support of your parents.

Or you spend today collecting all of your passports, birth certificates etc and contact Womens Aid and/or a solicitor (most will give you a free half hour's consultation - I cried buckets in front of a couple).

I think it's obvious that you have to leave - the only question is when. This man is completely toxic and you won't believe how wonderful the relief is when you realise you don't have to live in fear anymore. Oh and get a new phone so he can't harass you - tell him to speak to your solicitor.

Good luck, honey.

glastocat · 11/06/2012 09:17

Oh you poor love, you can't do on like this. This man will destroy you, and your children. This is so far from normal, it really is. As others said he most certainly not a good father, to treat you in this disgusting way. I know you are only coming to terms with this now, but for the sake of your health and your children you need to get away from this man. Your like will be a million times better when you do.

SirSugar · 11/06/2012 09:24

I too was living with a bullying controlling man and I was scared to leave - however in my situation my H suddenly died which freed me from the abuse. I found Mumsnet after he died, but had I found it before I do believe it would have really helped me see what was going on.

keep posting there is a lot of experience on here and support.

I think that now you have realised what is going on it will only be a matter of time before you do leave - and the younger your DCs are the better. You have shown great strength in putting up with his terrible treatment of you for a long time, with great dignity and somehow have kept a reserve pot of self worth. It was only a matter of time until you reached this point - which is the beginning of the end of your relationship as it is now.

Taghain · 11/06/2012 09:25

That sounds like a sickeningly cruel way of treating you. You're being ground down and need to change your life. Please tell your parents, and ask for their help in getting out.
You're not mad, he is abusing you mentally.

AnyFucker · 11/06/2012 09:26

I am so sorry love, but the best you can say about him is that he is a good dad

No, he isn't

A good father does not abuse and control the mother of his children

what a terrible example your children are receiving at his hands

it's only a matter of time before he extends his nasty behaviour to them

when they get older and start questioning his authority, he will use his EA tactics on them....and you will be forced to stand by while their spiit gets crushed (just like yours very nearly is)

the thing is though, it sounds to me like there is some spirit still left in you

please screw up that courage, start confiding more in those wonderful frinds, speak to your family and start puncturing the secrecy he is currently being allowed to languish within

contact CAB and Women's Aid for practical help with finances and how to start to visualise how you could, and should, separate from him, for your own good but alos for the good of your children's future relationships

AnyFucker · 11/06/2012 09:27

spirit not spit

although this man makes me feel like spitting

DoingItForMyself · 11/06/2012 09:30

what they all said ^

Your situation sounds incredibly hard to deal with, mine pales into insignificance in relation to this, but I have finally said enough's enough and honestly you will feel so much better when you are out of his grip.

The lovely ladies of MN have shown me that this is an unacceptable way for you to live your life and that your DCs are being damaged by being brought up in this environment of fear and anxiety.

You all deserve better than this 'man' is prepared to give you. Make a clean break, expand your little business into a baking empire and feel great about yourself. You owe it to yourself to start putting your needs ahead of his - you have a lot of lost time to make up for! x

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 11/06/2012 09:31

I felt sick reading your post. He is gaslighting and being EA.

That is not someone who is a good father. Not at all. There are lots of organisations who can help you. Womens Aid for one.

If you want to say where abouts you are in the UK I am sure someone will know of a local contact to help you.

SoDesperate · 11/06/2012 09:31

What everybody has already said! You need to leave. Sad

Please get help. It is so hard to try to do it on your own. I know.

diddl · 11/06/2012 09:37

He´s not a good father as he is abusive to their mother.

How long before they notice (if they haven´t yet) or he starts on them?

Hope you get some good advice/help & the strength to do what´s best for you 6 the children.

ShellyBobbs · 11/06/2012 09:42

As everyone else has said. Leave him, he is nothing but a bully!

That is NOT normal behavior, that is NOT how a husband treats his wife and children. You deserve respect, you deserve so much more than this 'man' is giving you.

I hope you can find the strength to leave. Good luck.

foolonthehill · 11/06/2012 09:47

Vanilla: you are an amazing and wonderful person. It shines through from your post above. You care deeply and have done your absolute best in terrible circumstances. There comes a time when you have to say enough. i think for you this is the time.

Your DP is bullying, controlling, gaslighting, verbally abusive and is undermining you at every level. Mine did this although in different ways. your children are young, but I can tell you what will happen as they get older, he will single them out for either special treatment or the treatment he dishes out to you. they will not be free to have their own opinions or lives, they will learn to walk on eggshells around him and to suppress their normal exuberance and love and life. He will show them that he is boss and they belong to him.

Please find a way out. Leave today, or plan and get things together to leave with the help of Women's Aid.

He is no good for you, he is no good for your DC.

Be wary, make sure you are safe posting on here, keep vigilant. If he realises he has been "seen" for who he is he will try to assert himself even more. Protect yourself and your children

much love xxfool

Shmumty · 11/06/2012 09:52

When they are older your children will love you for how you stood up for them in 2012, and will take inspiration of what you did to apply to their own relationships. You can do this. One step at a time.

WillowTheWhispers · 11/06/2012 09:59

I was in refuge over Christmas with women who said they had thought what you do - that he is a brilliant Dad.

When children are "in" the situation where their mother is being abused they are in survival mode. They can sense nervousness, aprehension in you and they will be well behaved with their Dad because they sense that your fear at pushing his buttons means something bad will happen if they aren't good. Once those children are out of that situation you realise it HAS been affecting them.

There was a 2 yo old boy who had panic attacks at the thought of seeing his Dad.

There was a little boy who spent hours every night screaming in his sleep, fighting off his Dad in his dreams and who would wake up wetting the bed and vomitting in fear.

There was a boy who was agressive. He had developed a mistrust of male adults and threatened everyone new that came into the refuge that "if you hurt my mum I'll stab you in your sleep".

There was a little girl who was so withdrawn she barely spoke. She had completely shut down, no friends, never wanted to play and I never saw her laugh.

You might be thinking that these children must have been through horrific experiences, so traumatic. No OP, these children lived in households just like yours, saw things which your children are seeing. I know how harsh this is coming across and Im sorry about that.

I am in an abusive relationship very similar to yours. The difference with mine is that it escalated to sexual abuse where when I did something wrong - like left a tissue on the table, hadn't washed some clothes he would smile at me and insert fingers into my anus.

I left at xmas and stayed in refuge for a month. I spoke to him and went back because I thought he could change. He hasn't. I have now found a flat nearby which Im planning on moving into, Im just waiting to hear back from the landlord and get my final few hundred pounds together for the deposit. I am not going to remain in a relationship where I am not treated as an equal, where I am expected to serve another human being. I refuse to be told Im not good enough, that Im stupid, that Im selfish - just like your husband tells you. When you forget to clean the floor most DHs wouldn't even notice. Or if they did they wouldn't pick you up on it. They would probably stop you from doing it if they knew you'd had a busy day and many would do it themselves. They WOULDN'T shout at you or tell you that you're stupid.

You are not protecting your kids by staying you are showing them that a wife and mother should serve her husband. If you have a daughter she will grow up to think she should do the same. If you have a son he will grow up to think he can treat women that way. Believe me, my mum was abusive so I have accepted abuse from my partner without realising it wasn't normal. My partner was abused and now abuses me.

I apologise for the bluntness of my post but for my own conscience I can't read this OP which is so similar to my own story and not tell you my story. I feel like reaching through the screen and shaking you! You need to breakthrough this view you have of the situation which is born of his conditioning of you. You need to realise that he is abusing you and that this will never be acceptable.

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