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i think i have just realised that im not going mad - or am i?

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vanilla01 · 11/06/2012 07:55

i think its just hit me - especially reading the posts in EA & VA relationships - i think im living with one who is both
i thought i was going mad, i was selfish (as im often told), i was useless always doing things wrong. - but am i?

it started shortly after we moved in together 6 years ago after having my daughter - prior to that we had been seeing each other for 12 years living in our separate homes, seeing each other when OH could fit me in inbetween his mates, social life and HIS family, but i was besotted (stupidly) and went along with it all. When he one day said lets have a baby and live together i was thrilled, so we did.

We moved to a small village about 20 miles from where we used to live (his choice- something to do with giving our children having a safe and lovely life in the country (but this was quite a distance away from my family and friends) i eventually had to give up work which was a hour and half journey each way after his constant nagging that it was too much with the (now 2 children), i really didnt want to as it was my little bit of independence, but he wore me down and i handed in my notice. i talked myself into it being ok, i still did my OH admin and accounts for his business from home, so i wouldnt be bored when the kids were at school.

i was very isolated at first - didnt know a sole but me being me i eventually got out there and started meeting mums, went to the local playgroup ect, and now have some very special lovely friends who persevere with me despite my always letting them down, blowing them out and being very distance when with them when i am with them waiting for my OH to call me to find out why im not at home (and thats during the day!). OH constantly says why do you have to get too familiar with people you hardly know, they have time to have coffee mornings all day long but you dont. we are always asked out with their OH's but i have to make my excuses as he never wants to go.

Then came the everyday augments "your not working why is the house so untidy" "what are you doing all day" - "you put all your friends first before the house we live in, i work every hour to come home to this" i would like to point out at this stage my house is clean and tidy but after a while i got so nervous before he came home that he would start shouting over the smallest spek of dust (believe me he does the running his finger over the picture frames ect) i started to clean everyday, even put off coffee mornings to clean. funny enough he still comes home shouting that the house is untidy - apparently i dont clean properly.

The thing is i really try and try and try to please him, i take on board his criticism of me and work even harder the next time, but it is so soul destroying to still be told your still not doing it right, or your still useless. you get to the stage where you are so drained, you just accept what you are being told and completely believe it.

He rings me almost every hour daily to see where i am and god forbid if i am having cofee with a mum, "when are you going to get my book work done, i needed an invoice done urgently. what about that job i asked you to do this morning." thats when i would sit and rack my brains - what job? "you dont listen are you stuipid i told you this morning (shouting) i need an invoice done" - i must be going mad i dont remember that conversation at all. this happens most weeks - i have got to the point where i am really thinking about seeing someone about my memory - i think im going mad.
Then there are the things that i type up incorrectly, or send to the wrong person - "you are useless, you cant be bothered to do things right - im out working every hour for you to constantly cock things up, cant you do anything right."
when i say i am a constant nervous wreck that would be an understatement. When he calls i think s**t what have i done now.

My mum and dad started coming over each week, because it was difficult for me to get away to see them what with the kids and OH business keeping me very busy, i ring him to tell him they are coming over, initially he would make himself scarce, now its "im working from home today they cant come over - too distracting" my mum and dad now come over once a month if that for a few uncomfortable hours, and OH is never there. they have never been round for dinner, christmas nothing!!! they came round once on my DD 1st birthday and OH made me so nervous he kept pulling me into the kitchen having a go about different things, he was so off with them it was awful and embarrassing that i thought never again.

his family however are always over for christmas, meals birthdays ect, which in all honesty i dont mind because i enjoy cooking for people and the social side - although it does annoy me when i am constantly told that i should cook the way his sister cooks, she is so good at this and that - in fact she is the perfect housewife, cook, mother there ever was so im told. the voice im my head is usually backing up what he says telling me that im a terrible mother, im always putting others first, im selfish and my priorities are all wrong. he must be right then.

I have always enjoyed cooking and love baking cakes - one day last year someone asked me to do some cakes for the DD birthday - and i did - i got paid for it and everyone told me how lovely they were. i was so thrilled that i was being praised for something i was finally good at!! see im not useless. i thought im going to set up a small business baking cakes. so i did OMG when i told OH he told me how what a stupid idea, noone would buy my cakes beside it was a complete waste of time for little money, and dont forget my priorities are the home and the kids i would not have time.
unfortunately for him and fortunately for me word got out that i was pretty good at baking cakes and started to get asked to do them. Without telling him (for fear of being told that i couldnt) i set up a small business and started baking whilst he was at work, which is very stressful as i would be trying to take his calls with his daily instructions on what to do and what not to do, plus secretly bake. I have not pushed the business tho, and have tried to keep it at the moment to one order per week purely because he will find out if i do anymore than that. but im loving it and so want to expand. he does come home at times to find me baking and goes absolutely mad, and says "you would rather bake for people you dont know than clean house, do my book work, look after your children - you are selfish, self centred ive never met anyone like you"

so how did i find my way here on mums.net - well i finally sort of woke up last week when my OH went out on a all day racing jolly with his mates for his birthday, one of my friends said come over to mine in the evening if you fancy it. i thought lovely - OH wont be home to early hours that would be really nice plus my kids and her kids get on. so there i was i had just got round my friends when my phone rang - it was him, i answered and in a very drunk voice he said "where are you" "i said round my friends. he said i need picking up, so i said i have only just got here and we have ordered a takeaway i cant just leave. he put the phone down. i prayed he would carry on with his night and leave me alone. NO - an hour later my phone rang - where the f*k are you im trying to get in the house - i have no fking keys your so selfish. this was said in an arrogant nasty voice. i was terrified - i just picked up the kids shoved them in the car and raced home - my friend just stood there thinking what the f*k.

Couple of days later i was with my friend and i just broke down i told her everything - she couldnt believe what i was telling her - she said i was one of the loveliest people she had ever met - me really? - and HE was a bully and told me he was controlling me and it was wrong - i found myself saying but i do sometimes forget to clean the kitchen floor, or do his bookwork wrong, and put my cakes first - she said listen to yourself - you are your own person and a lovely one at that, none deserves to be controlled or treated like that. so i started to look up relationship problems on the internet and found the thread on here - are you in a VA or EA relationship - as i was reading it i though OMG thats me.

But what do i do now - i have too very young children, leaving would traumatise them - (believe it or not he is a brilliant dad and they love him), plus he would not let me leave without a huge fight (and i dont mean physical) - in a nut shell im terrified of leaving.

One thing i am trying to learn tho to keep me going is that despite the constant putting me down, criticising and the controlling is that im not, there are so many things i can do and i dont deserve to be treated like this.

The other is that i have found some lovely friends who love me for me unconditionally and have said "they arent going anywhere regardless" without them i wouldnt be here (as in realising the above).

x

OP posts:
AbigailAdams · 11/06/2012 14:16

Oh Vanilla, there is so much wrong with this guy I don't know where to start. You on the other hand sound lovely.

He is so controlling, you are not even seeing where it starts. Your perception of normal is so skewed.

Just think what it would be like to live in your own place ans not have to dust the fucking picture frames, unless you wanted to, to not have to do his "jobs", to not have your reality questioned and changed according to him (gaslighting btw). And most of all not having to look over your shoulder to make sure you've done whatever it is this time, or not having to keep being gatekeeper to his moods and swings. This could be your reality, not what he wants it to be. Don't let him crush you. You are a wonderful woman and should be cherished as such.

Please ring Women's Aid, please confide in your friends and any offers of help they may give. The fact that you have friends despite his best efforts to rob you of them shows your spirit coming through.

Make plans to leave (wiser women can probably advise you better on what to take). Squirrel away some money too. Whatever you do, don't confront and don't tell him about this thread. You need a safe haven.

Wishing you all the best.

pleasestoparguing · 11/06/2012 14:20

You know what you need to do and i can see you have the freeinds and family to support you too so you will be safe and will never have to be treated like this again - you may beleieve he is a good father to yuor DC but they are young - just imagine how it will be when they are older, he will want/need to control them too - if you feel you are losing the strenth to carry through just imagine him behaving like this towards your DC too - he is not a good father he will want them to do / be exactly what he wants.
I don't normally recommend people give up on relationships and leave but in this case it's not giving up - there is no realtionship, you are frightened of him, that's not a realtionship.
You owe it to your Dc and to yourself to move away from this terrible situation - go to your family - he will not be allowed to hurt you anymore.
good liuck and stick with MN there is always someone here who has been through it already who has survived and can tell you what to do.

Mrskbpw · 11/06/2012 14:21

I don't normally post on these threads, as I have no experience. But I wanted to say how strong you sound. Also, i agree with everyone who has said to contact your parents. Can you go there? They must be so worried about you. I expect if you open up to them, they'll do everything in their power to help you and keep you and your children safe.

You HAVE to leave. And never go back. Good luck. Please keep posting.

OxfordBags · 11/06/2012 14:21

Vanilla, children always appear to adore their 'good' daddy who abuses their mummy because they know that they have to keep him sweet at all costs, even tiny toddlers can sense this. The longer you stay, the more likely their future as abused wives or abusive husbands becomes.

Not a single thing he asks of you or does to you is reasonable and normal. The constant ringing up, for example, is stalking. Other posters have mentioned 'gaslighting' - please look this up, because it is what he doing to you and is a very serious form of mental abuse.

Of course he is lovely to you sometimes. No-one would stay with someone who was abusive 100% of the time. It's how abusers work; when they are nice, you doubt your own memory of abuse and nastiness and accusation and moreover, it feels selfish and wrong to leave someone who is nice some of the time. But please heed these next words, because they are very important: the real him is the bastard. Not the nice guy, the bastard who makes you feel ashamed and selfish and worthless and everything else.

Ask yourself this; can you think of one single reason that could make YOU treat anyone the way he treats you? If you came home and there were crumbs in the work surface, would you react how he does? Of course not! Because you are normal and not an abuser. And the answer to why he acts like that is certainly not that you do anything to deserve it- ask yourself this, as well: if someone was absolutely scum of the earth and pathetic and deserving of utter contempt, would you treat them the way he treats you? No, you wouldn't do even then! So remove any thoughts of blame or causing his behaviour.

You sound like you come from a loving, normal family, and so you don't understand behaviour like this. But it is all his problem, all his abuse.

I don't mean to pry, but it might be relevant, if you want, to examine your sex life together. Does he pester you, make you feel you're being selfish to deny him his 'rights' when he does so much for you, his useless wife? Are you not allowed to say no, do you have to do things that you would rather not do, but he makes you feel bad if you want to refuse? If you show sexual interest, does he make you feel dirty? Or perhaps he's not interested at all.

Oh, and one last thing - it's not your job to do his books. He should be paying you, especially if he places such unreasonable demands about their completion. If a boss acted towards an employee over book-keeping the way he treats you, he'd be prosecuted at a tribunal for bullying. Think about that.

izzyizin · 11/06/2012 14:22

he has taken me to the smallest village where i know nobody to have found 2 fantastic friends

It wouldn't have been any different if he'd taken you to a remote part of Outer Mongolia - like attracts like and you're a woman who will attract and make good friends wherever you are because your spirit is a bright light in a dark world Grin

It's par for the course that he didn't ring while you were having coffee with your mates because controlling and emotionally abusive men can be cunning little fuckers who seem to have a sixth sense.

If he's sensed the worm he's tormented for so long is turning, he may back off for a while but DON'T make the mistake of believing that this denotes a shift in his thinking or a permanent change in his behaviour.

He's regrouping, re-evaulating his strategy, and he'll be back with a renewed assault on your new found equilibrium. Be prepared for a few 'I'm sorry's' or 'I didn't realise how you felt' or other hollow gestures which, far from being evidence of genuine regret or remorse, are designed to keep you wriggling on his hook.

Proceed with caution, honey, because sly twunts can turn extremely nasty if their worms appear to have wriggled free.

Triffiddealer · 11/06/2012 14:24

Vanilla

I bet your parents know that you are miserable and I bet they know that he is a controlling dickhead.

I bet they worry about you all the time already. I know I would if you were my daughter. You confiding in them will probably be the first glimmer of hope they've had in years.

I appreciate you may not be ready to talk to them just yet, but please don't think that they are under the illusion that you live a perfect life - they are your parents and love you - I am sure they know you better than that.

So glad you have good friends to rely on. Keep posting when you need support.
Triff
p.s. you are not mad!

alana39 · 11/06/2012 14:53

Vanilla years ago DH and I had some problems. He was not abusive, we sorted them but I was terrified of telling my parents. When I eventually did, they were fantastic and I felt quite silly for not having done it sooner.

You have a couple of great friends, but it is possible you will need done immediate support at some tine in dealing with your H and having your parents on side too just increases your options.

You are really very strong to have got yourself to this point.

FannyFifer · 11/06/2012 15:37

Vanilla I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said.
You sound like a fantastic woman, keep strong.

ElenorRigby · 11/06/2012 16:11

Vanilla your post made me cry. I recently started a thread about my lovely SIL who is being abused and isolated by my brother.
You sound so like her, she is one of loveliest, gentlest souls you could wish to meet. It breaks my heart to see her being crushed as she is. :(

Please love don't take this. Plan your escape and then dont look back.

Keep strong sweetheart. You can do this xxx

worldgonecrazy · 11/06/2012 16:19

We get similar stories on here all saying "brilliant dad". He is not a brilliant dad. He is showing your children how to be a bully.

Leaving and thinking of all the years you feel you've 'wasted' is difficult but so much better than looking back when you get to 70 and thinking you should have got out whilst you had a chance and some years left in you.

Also please do be careful. Those posters who have mentioned that men like this can become aggresive when they realise that they have been rumbled are telling the truth.

It's easy from this side of the screen to see how much you have been battered down by his behaviour. What you are describing is not normal, he is not treating you like a loving partner treats their wife/girlfriend. You are more than just a housekeeper and nursemaid, you are a woman in your own right, with the right to some time to be with friends.

One of the things emotionally abusive bullies do is separate their victim from friends and families, sometimes by simply being so rude that friends and family stop showing up.

Good luck, I hope you find the strength to realise that there is so much more waiting for you and your children.

SirSugar · 11/06/2012 17:15

What do you think he will do if you start to refuse to jump, even if the work is done?

KatieScarlett2833 · 11/06/2012 17:19

Hope you are OK Vanilla.

vanilla01 · 11/06/2012 17:35

sirsugar: i dont know what he will do if im honest - so unpredictable - thats what keeps me on my toes.

i do know that in the last 24hours i have not towed the line liked i normally do and he has started to be nice - too nice. im trying to ignore this and im constantly telling myself he is lulling me into a false sense of security.

i have also been thinking about the past - the early days and even then without me realising the penny has dropped - he subtly did it then.

we were on a date must of been 18 years ago at least - we were in a pub having a lovely time - then out of the blue he suddenly said why are you eyeing up those men at the bar. i was gobbed smacked at the time thinking "was i?" i really wasnt im sure i wasnt - maybe i just looked at them without realising. i was taken aback but after apologising several times and telling myself i must think about what im doing in future i brushed it to the back of my mind thinking it was me.

it suddenly came to my mind in a flash just now - ive got lots more stories like that im just tumbling - its been all a game.

OP posts:
catinboots · 11/06/2012 17:40

Has anybody got the link to Reality's thread with the big blurb at the beginning about healthy relationships?? (I think it was Reality)

It is very insightful (sp?)

OP - you are being very, very brave.

{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}

AnyFucker · 11/06/2012 17:50

Good thinking, Cat

here it is

AnyFucker · 11/06/2012 17:50

in fact, I shall repost it

catinboots · 11/06/2012 17:57

Cheers AF

Rivergirly · 11/06/2012 17:57

Hi I just wanted to say that my exh was VA and PA and one day after a constant 6 months of awful and unprovoked behaviour I called time on the relationship the police were called after he got out of control.

My two lovely boys were 2 and 3 years old at the time and were the driving force for me to leave - I really didnt want them to grow up thinking this was the way to treat women. I can assure you that they have not suffered at all from us leaving and I hope that I left soon enough for them not to pick up his awful behaviour.

It is scary having to start over and on your own but the sense of freedom that i initially felt was worth it all. Now I can do what I want when I want and know that I never have to answer to him - after 3 years I am now even in a position that I do not speak to him at all - the odd text to confirm arrangements for the children and that is it. I honestly dont think you will ever look back and regret it. xxx

catinboots · 11/06/2012 17:57

That thread should have a sticky really.

AnyFucker · 11/06/2012 17:58

yeah

nutellaontoast · 11/06/2012 17:59

This thread makes me feel oddly positive.

Because I think vanilla, you're a strong, smart, lovely woman. You've already set up your own baking business (go you!), you're connecting with mumsnet, Woman's Aid, your friends in real life (next step, solicitor and family :D). Because I think you'll see through the nice act for what it is, a way for him to carry on the abuse. Because I think you'll come up with a smart, safe plan to leave, and build a happy life with your little ones.

Keep us updated!

SirSugar · 11/06/2012 18:25

Start baking with a vengence Vanilla, suggest he get a cleaner in if your cleaning isn't up to scratch and tell him that you need a list first thing each morning of accounting duties, as you are worried about forgetting things and you wouldn't want to miss anything as it wouldn't reflect well on him.

In the meantime, plan to leave.

Sallyingforth · 11/06/2012 18:30

Here you are, vanilla.
This is what you need to do...

www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d2_1339372459

vanilla01 · 11/06/2012 18:42

thanks guys for re-posting healthy relationships xxxx

and thank u sallyingforth for your link - im going to read now

really am overwhelmed by your help and such lovely words of encouragement today guys xxxx

OP posts:
SirSugar · 11/06/2012 18:51

Am I the only one thinking that when Vanilla calls time on her idiot OH in her polite manner, he will turn into a big wuss.

Bullies are generally cowards

Anyhow if he did get nasty, police intervention is always useful.

What an entitled prat he is.

Oh, and start inviting your mates round - say you just don't know whats got into him if he plays up