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i think i have just realised that im not going mad - or am i?

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vanilla01 · 11/06/2012 07:55

i think its just hit me - especially reading the posts in EA & VA relationships - i think im living with one who is both
i thought i was going mad, i was selfish (as im often told), i was useless always doing things wrong. - but am i?

it started shortly after we moved in together 6 years ago after having my daughter - prior to that we had been seeing each other for 12 years living in our separate homes, seeing each other when OH could fit me in inbetween his mates, social life and HIS family, but i was besotted (stupidly) and went along with it all. When he one day said lets have a baby and live together i was thrilled, so we did.

We moved to a small village about 20 miles from where we used to live (his choice- something to do with giving our children having a safe and lovely life in the country (but this was quite a distance away from my family and friends) i eventually had to give up work which was a hour and half journey each way after his constant nagging that it was too much with the (now 2 children), i really didnt want to as it was my little bit of independence, but he wore me down and i handed in my notice. i talked myself into it being ok, i still did my OH admin and accounts for his business from home, so i wouldnt be bored when the kids were at school.

i was very isolated at first - didnt know a sole but me being me i eventually got out there and started meeting mums, went to the local playgroup ect, and now have some very special lovely friends who persevere with me despite my always letting them down, blowing them out and being very distance when with them when i am with them waiting for my OH to call me to find out why im not at home (and thats during the day!). OH constantly says why do you have to get too familiar with people you hardly know, they have time to have coffee mornings all day long but you dont. we are always asked out with their OH's but i have to make my excuses as he never wants to go.

Then came the everyday augments "your not working why is the house so untidy" "what are you doing all day" - "you put all your friends first before the house we live in, i work every hour to come home to this" i would like to point out at this stage my house is clean and tidy but after a while i got so nervous before he came home that he would start shouting over the smallest spek of dust (believe me he does the running his finger over the picture frames ect) i started to clean everyday, even put off coffee mornings to clean. funny enough he still comes home shouting that the house is untidy - apparently i dont clean properly.

The thing is i really try and try and try to please him, i take on board his criticism of me and work even harder the next time, but it is so soul destroying to still be told your still not doing it right, or your still useless. you get to the stage where you are so drained, you just accept what you are being told and completely believe it.

He rings me almost every hour daily to see where i am and god forbid if i am having cofee with a mum, "when are you going to get my book work done, i needed an invoice done urgently. what about that job i asked you to do this morning." thats when i would sit and rack my brains - what job? "you dont listen are you stuipid i told you this morning (shouting) i need an invoice done" - i must be going mad i dont remember that conversation at all. this happens most weeks - i have got to the point where i am really thinking about seeing someone about my memory - i think im going mad.
Then there are the things that i type up incorrectly, or send to the wrong person - "you are useless, you cant be bothered to do things right - im out working every hour for you to constantly cock things up, cant you do anything right."
when i say i am a constant nervous wreck that would be an understatement. When he calls i think s**t what have i done now.

My mum and dad started coming over each week, because it was difficult for me to get away to see them what with the kids and OH business keeping me very busy, i ring him to tell him they are coming over, initially he would make himself scarce, now its "im working from home today they cant come over - too distracting" my mum and dad now come over once a month if that for a few uncomfortable hours, and OH is never there. they have never been round for dinner, christmas nothing!!! they came round once on my DD 1st birthday and OH made me so nervous he kept pulling me into the kitchen having a go about different things, he was so off with them it was awful and embarrassing that i thought never again.

his family however are always over for christmas, meals birthdays ect, which in all honesty i dont mind because i enjoy cooking for people and the social side - although it does annoy me when i am constantly told that i should cook the way his sister cooks, she is so good at this and that - in fact she is the perfect housewife, cook, mother there ever was so im told. the voice im my head is usually backing up what he says telling me that im a terrible mother, im always putting others first, im selfish and my priorities are all wrong. he must be right then.

I have always enjoyed cooking and love baking cakes - one day last year someone asked me to do some cakes for the DD birthday - and i did - i got paid for it and everyone told me how lovely they were. i was so thrilled that i was being praised for something i was finally good at!! see im not useless. i thought im going to set up a small business baking cakes. so i did OMG when i told OH he told me how what a stupid idea, noone would buy my cakes beside it was a complete waste of time for little money, and dont forget my priorities are the home and the kids i would not have time.
unfortunately for him and fortunately for me word got out that i was pretty good at baking cakes and started to get asked to do them. Without telling him (for fear of being told that i couldnt) i set up a small business and started baking whilst he was at work, which is very stressful as i would be trying to take his calls with his daily instructions on what to do and what not to do, plus secretly bake. I have not pushed the business tho, and have tried to keep it at the moment to one order per week purely because he will find out if i do anymore than that. but im loving it and so want to expand. he does come home at times to find me baking and goes absolutely mad, and says "you would rather bake for people you dont know than clean house, do my book work, look after your children - you are selfish, self centred ive never met anyone like you"

so how did i find my way here on mums.net - well i finally sort of woke up last week when my OH went out on a all day racing jolly with his mates for his birthday, one of my friends said come over to mine in the evening if you fancy it. i thought lovely - OH wont be home to early hours that would be really nice plus my kids and her kids get on. so there i was i had just got round my friends when my phone rang - it was him, i answered and in a very drunk voice he said "where are you" "i said round my friends. he said i need picking up, so i said i have only just got here and we have ordered a takeaway i cant just leave. he put the phone down. i prayed he would carry on with his night and leave me alone. NO - an hour later my phone rang - where the f*k are you im trying to get in the house - i have no fking keys your so selfish. this was said in an arrogant nasty voice. i was terrified - i just picked up the kids shoved them in the car and raced home - my friend just stood there thinking what the f*k.

Couple of days later i was with my friend and i just broke down i told her everything - she couldnt believe what i was telling her - she said i was one of the loveliest people she had ever met - me really? - and HE was a bully and told me he was controlling me and it was wrong - i found myself saying but i do sometimes forget to clean the kitchen floor, or do his bookwork wrong, and put my cakes first - she said listen to yourself - you are your own person and a lovely one at that, none deserves to be controlled or treated like that. so i started to look up relationship problems on the internet and found the thread on here - are you in a VA or EA relationship - as i was reading it i though OMG thats me.

But what do i do now - i have too very young children, leaving would traumatise them - (believe it or not he is a brilliant dad and they love him), plus he would not let me leave without a huge fight (and i dont mean physical) - in a nut shell im terrified of leaving.

One thing i am trying to learn tho to keep me going is that despite the constant putting me down, criticising and the controlling is that im not, there are so many things i can do and i dont deserve to be treated like this.

The other is that i have found some lovely friends who love me for me unconditionally and have said "they arent going anywhere regardless" without them i wouldnt be here (as in realising the above).

x

OP posts:
vanilla01 · 11/06/2012 10:13

WOW - thank u so so much for all your such kind words and taking the time out to read my thread and reply. it means so much and is helping me to start to realise the life i am living is not normal (im still battling with myself - am i imaging this, am i exaggerating, feeling bad that i am "slagging" him off.

someone mentioned is he ever nice to me - and the thing is he is - he can treat me really lovely at times - but can turn at a flick of a switch - so whilst he is being nice ive always got that "dont upset him" at the back of my head.

if one of you ever met him and said - why dont you let her bake, or go out with friends - he would say "she can do what she wants i dont stop her - all i ask is that she keeps the house clean and keeps my admin and bookwork up to date then she can so what she wants.

....but for some reason the house work is never done and there is always bookwork to do.

i am going to take a look at womans aid - thank u so much and i will keep you all posted.

im still frightened and terrified because he is not going to give up without a fight - its going to be hard.

xxxxxxx

OP posts:
Mumsyblouse · 11/06/2012 10:30

Vanilla your lovely personality shines out of your post.

I'm sorry you are living like this, you are not exaggerating, because you are living in fear all the time, a low-level dread of what will happen if you don't meet the standards he sets (which mysteriously shift). You are definitely not living a happy life, and I'm sorry to say that he's not a great dad as the children will be picking up on your anxiety and fear even if he plays with them (and what happens when they get older and less cute, will he treat them the same as you?)

You don't have to live your life like this, you simply don't. Please don't. Your husband is a bully and he's found a very nice, very kind, very co-operative person to bully, so much so that you are blaming yourself and wondering if you misunderstood.

It is NOT normal to have to hide your new business, it is NOT normal to dread his phonecalls, it is NOT normal to call you names and run you down. Why is his word the law, why does he get to set whether you are acceptable or not? He certainly isnt' an acceptable husband.

The usual places will help you, Women's Aid, CAB and the help of the ladies on here. I really hope you make your bid for happiness, you and your children deserve it.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 11/06/2012 10:30

Yes, it's going to be hard, but you will be able to cope.

Surround yourself with all the RL help you can: keep talking to your friend, tell more trusted friends what you are going through, call Women's Aid for practical advice or even just a listening ear, go see CAB or a solicitor to find out your legal and financial rights, use a benefits calculator to see what you would be entitled to on your own with 2 children, start visualising your life coping on your own. And keep posting here, we're all rooting for you.

I just want to repeat what everyone here has said, because it's so very true:

You deserve better.

Yes, he is abusive and controlling. No, he won't change.

He is not a good father if he treats you this way.

Your children will be far more traumatised, long-term, by having their parents' abusive relationship as their own relationship template than by you leaving him. Leaving him will be their salvation just as much as yours - take it from the child of abusive parents who stepped right into marriage with an abusive husband of my own, because we all follow what we know. You have the option to show your children a better alternative, that of self-respect.

Good luck. You can do it.

Sallyingforth · 11/06/2012 10:35

Hi Vanilla
I don't need to repeat what the others have said as you have already understood it.
But I did want to say how much I admire your spirit and strength in surviving the years of abuse.
You have now come to realise that you have to put a stop to this. It's for your children's sake as well as for your own. I'm sure that the same strength will see you through the final phase of this abusive relationship.

solidgoldbrass · 11/06/2012 10:44

Yes you can get away from this man, and I think it very likely indeed that your friends and your family already hate him for the way he treats you. People do notice abusers, no matter how high the abuser's opinion of himself may be.

You'll just have to tread a little bit carefully, just for a little while, as you get a plan in place, then you can leave him. The only thing is, planning to leave is the most dangerous time. If he gets wind of it, he will either become much more aggressive and obstructive, or he may start being very, very nice. If it's the latter, don't fall for it.

Best of luck. YOu can do it. Life will be so much better without him.

porridgelover · 11/06/2012 11:25

Vanilla....it wont be easy. You are right but you have now seen that its not good for you or your children. Hang on to that and dont be swayed by either the difficulty of the task in front of you or any change he promises in an effort to keep you.
Get in contact with Womens Aid, look into a local solicitor for advice, collect financial information, squirrel away money, before you go.
Have all your paperwork to hand (house ownership, bank accounts, birth certs, passports).
lots of people will come out of the woodwork once you leave- you wont be the only victim of his bullying.
Good luck

PooPooInMyToes · 11/06/2012 11:35

Willow. That's shocking!

ebbandflow · 11/06/2012 11:46

I am so glad you have found mumsnet, your OP shows what a strong person you are coping with his behaviour. Best wishes.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 11/06/2012 11:58

"she can do what she wants i dont stop her - all i ask is that she keeps the house clean and keeps my admin and bookwork up to date then she can so what she wants."

You know the thing is - even THAT is not a normal way to treat your partner. He's not your boss. Why have you got the idea that he gets to decide what you do? "All I ask" - er, you're an adult? You can make your own plans and organise your own workload and activities without having to defer to him, love. "Then she can do what she wants" - actually you can do what you want at any time, you really can. If you ran away the police wouldn't return you like a slave or a lost child, you are his equal.

You can get free of this.

southlundon · 11/06/2012 12:18

Vanilla, others on here have much better advice than I do but I'm giving you my support. I hope that writing all of it out (and I'm sure it's only a small part of your story) has made you see that this is awful, horrible, nasty abuse. Your DCs will be so much happier when they see that you are happier and they won't have to always have "don't upset him" in the back of their heads as well.

Your parents must be so worried about you as well. Give your mum a call?

SirSugar · 11/06/2012 13:10

Willow, I hope to god he is not still doing what you said - he is truly sick

WillowTheWhispers · 11/06/2012 13:18

Sorry for threadjacking OP!

SirSugar no he's not otherwise I would be back in refuge. Its all EA at the moment and minor stuff with DD - ignoring her, letting her slip in the bath etc.

I got confirmation on my new place this morning so everything is going to plan. Dont want to say more incase he looks for me on here.

I second others who are saying you are strong and can do this OP. You will find the support of MN invaluable.

AnyFucker · 11/06/2012 13:20

Willow, that isn't "minor" stuff, love

Good luck in getting out for good, no last minute wobbles please

CailinDana · 11/06/2012 13:21

Willow, your husband has seriously sexually assaulted you and should be prosecuted. He should never have done that horrible thing to you. Are you getting support in real life?

Vanilla please don't feel like you're exaggerating, you're definitely not. A healthy relationship should be fun and relaxed, you shouldn't always be on edge wondering when he's going to snap. You should be able to joke with him, laugh with him, cuddle him and all the time feel safe and secure. A loving partner will tell you calmly if he has a problem with something and won't expect you to be constantly at his beck and call.

How are you feeling at the moment?

ebbandflow · 11/06/2012 13:23

willow your description of the impact that it has on the children has been most insightful, glad things are looking up for you.

Iheartpasties · 11/06/2012 13:25

vanilla01 Bless you, please take everyones wonderful advice. Your friend sounds like a really great person and I hope she can help you in real life. I'm glad to hear in your original post that you do sound like you realise you are worth a lot more than what you have got at the moment. Good luck and keep us posted if you can, some women on here will have wonderful advice for you.

WillowTheWhispers · 11/06/2012 13:29

I know AF, I think Ive got to a point now where nothing can make me change my mind - Ive just had enough.

Cailin yes am getting RL support etc.

Thanks everyone but lets not threadjack!!! Sorry OP!

Sunnywithachanceofshowers · 11/06/2012 13:38

Vanilla you sound lovely and you know you deserve better. Good luck xxx

Triffiddealer · 11/06/2012 13:41

Vanilla

You do know that you are modelling an adult relationship for your children, don't you? So if you have girls, they will view your relationship as 'normal' and it much more likely that they will end up with a man who treats as them as his personal servant, in the way your OH treats you.

If you have boys, they may well model themselves on their Dad and put other women through the abuse you are suffering - not to mention never being able to really form a warm relationship with a woman.

Before you say what a great Dad he is, think about whether either of these situations be acceptable to you?

I am so glad your eyes are opened. Please keep them that way. I would advise you to talk to your family and/or trusted friends. Get some support, you're going to need it, because once he senses you are getting stronger and standing up to him, he will try everything to get you to tow the line again (charm/abuse/threats).

Did you have a good relationship with your parents beforehand? If you did, I bet your parents miss you and have been worried about you for years - could you call them and talk about it?

vanilla01 · 11/06/2012 14:01

thank u again everyone - ive just come back from a cofee with my lovely friends who have listened to me open up for the first time. they say everything is starting to make sense - the dashing home when we are at coffee, the constant phone calls, the blowing them out. they have told me they are there for me and will support and help me through this - how luck am i to have met such lovely friends. the plus side of all this is he has taken me to the smallest village where i know nobody to have found 2 fantastic friends.

its funny - he didnt ring me once whilst i was at coffee?? very unusual.

Somebody mentioned my mum and dad - yes they are very worried about me - and rather confused as they dont know whats going on - they almost know - but dont if you see what i mean - when they are coming round they always ask me cautiously almost expecting me to say not today. i feel i cant tell them because i portray this super happy life i am leading, and im strong and can handle anything. the minute i start to tell them im going to break....iknow it... and worry them like mad.
i will tell them but not yet.

i know what you are saying about the kids is right - but i still worry - i cant help it.

no worries willow about hijacking you go ahead - we are all here to help each other. xxxx

im going to phone womans aid in a minute and will let you know what happens.

xx

OP posts:
ElephantsAndMiasmas · 11/06/2012 14:03

Good luck on your call, Vanilla. They're often very busy (:() so if you don't get through first time, try again or leave a message.

Rooting for you here!

AnyFucker · 11/06/2012 14:05

Vanilla, you have started to move in the right direction. You are to be commended for that !

keep going, love

PooPooInMyToes · 11/06/2012 14:11

Your parents may well be relieved you are opening up.

BorisJohnsonsHair · 11/06/2012 14:13

Don't have much to add, but just wanted to repeat what others have said, that you sound a lovely, caring person and deserve better than the arrogant, controlling man that lives with you. I'm loathe to call him a husband, because proper husbands don't behave like that.

I split from my exH when my DD was very young, and she has maintained a good relationship with him, even though he and I don't see eye to eye, so I'm sure your children will be fine, and all the better for not having to live with the situation. Good luck with everything Smile

LateDeveloper · 11/06/2012 14:15

I read your post and felt scared just reading it. It is not normal to treat people like this and you don not deserve it.

Well done on talking to your friends. Please tell your parents. They will help you. Could you stay with them? If the kids are at school could you make a secret plan to go there when the holidays begin or even early July (not much happens in the last few weeks that is more important than getting you out of the shit situation you are in.

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