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i think i have just realised that im not going mad - or am i?

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vanilla01 · 11/06/2012 07:55

i think its just hit me - especially reading the posts in EA & VA relationships - i think im living with one who is both
i thought i was going mad, i was selfish (as im often told), i was useless always doing things wrong. - but am i?

it started shortly after we moved in together 6 years ago after having my daughter - prior to that we had been seeing each other for 12 years living in our separate homes, seeing each other when OH could fit me in inbetween his mates, social life and HIS family, but i was besotted (stupidly) and went along with it all. When he one day said lets have a baby and live together i was thrilled, so we did.

We moved to a small village about 20 miles from where we used to live (his choice- something to do with giving our children having a safe and lovely life in the country (but this was quite a distance away from my family and friends) i eventually had to give up work which was a hour and half journey each way after his constant nagging that it was too much with the (now 2 children), i really didnt want to as it was my little bit of independence, but he wore me down and i handed in my notice. i talked myself into it being ok, i still did my OH admin and accounts for his business from home, so i wouldnt be bored when the kids were at school.

i was very isolated at first - didnt know a sole but me being me i eventually got out there and started meeting mums, went to the local playgroup ect, and now have some very special lovely friends who persevere with me despite my always letting them down, blowing them out and being very distance when with them when i am with them waiting for my OH to call me to find out why im not at home (and thats during the day!). OH constantly says why do you have to get too familiar with people you hardly know, they have time to have coffee mornings all day long but you dont. we are always asked out with their OH's but i have to make my excuses as he never wants to go.

Then came the everyday augments "your not working why is the house so untidy" "what are you doing all day" - "you put all your friends first before the house we live in, i work every hour to come home to this" i would like to point out at this stage my house is clean and tidy but after a while i got so nervous before he came home that he would start shouting over the smallest spek of dust (believe me he does the running his finger over the picture frames ect) i started to clean everyday, even put off coffee mornings to clean. funny enough he still comes home shouting that the house is untidy - apparently i dont clean properly.

The thing is i really try and try and try to please him, i take on board his criticism of me and work even harder the next time, but it is so soul destroying to still be told your still not doing it right, or your still useless. you get to the stage where you are so drained, you just accept what you are being told and completely believe it.

He rings me almost every hour daily to see where i am and god forbid if i am having cofee with a mum, "when are you going to get my book work done, i needed an invoice done urgently. what about that job i asked you to do this morning." thats when i would sit and rack my brains - what job? "you dont listen are you stuipid i told you this morning (shouting) i need an invoice done" - i must be going mad i dont remember that conversation at all. this happens most weeks - i have got to the point where i am really thinking about seeing someone about my memory - i think im going mad.
Then there are the things that i type up incorrectly, or send to the wrong person - "you are useless, you cant be bothered to do things right - im out working every hour for you to constantly cock things up, cant you do anything right."
when i say i am a constant nervous wreck that would be an understatement. When he calls i think s**t what have i done now.

My mum and dad started coming over each week, because it was difficult for me to get away to see them what with the kids and OH business keeping me very busy, i ring him to tell him they are coming over, initially he would make himself scarce, now its "im working from home today they cant come over - too distracting" my mum and dad now come over once a month if that for a few uncomfortable hours, and OH is never there. they have never been round for dinner, christmas nothing!!! they came round once on my DD 1st birthday and OH made me so nervous he kept pulling me into the kitchen having a go about different things, he was so off with them it was awful and embarrassing that i thought never again.

his family however are always over for christmas, meals birthdays ect, which in all honesty i dont mind because i enjoy cooking for people and the social side - although it does annoy me when i am constantly told that i should cook the way his sister cooks, she is so good at this and that - in fact she is the perfect housewife, cook, mother there ever was so im told. the voice im my head is usually backing up what he says telling me that im a terrible mother, im always putting others first, im selfish and my priorities are all wrong. he must be right then.

I have always enjoyed cooking and love baking cakes - one day last year someone asked me to do some cakes for the DD birthday - and i did - i got paid for it and everyone told me how lovely they were. i was so thrilled that i was being praised for something i was finally good at!! see im not useless. i thought im going to set up a small business baking cakes. so i did OMG when i told OH he told me how what a stupid idea, noone would buy my cakes beside it was a complete waste of time for little money, and dont forget my priorities are the home and the kids i would not have time.
unfortunately for him and fortunately for me word got out that i was pretty good at baking cakes and started to get asked to do them. Without telling him (for fear of being told that i couldnt) i set up a small business and started baking whilst he was at work, which is very stressful as i would be trying to take his calls with his daily instructions on what to do and what not to do, plus secretly bake. I have not pushed the business tho, and have tried to keep it at the moment to one order per week purely because he will find out if i do anymore than that. but im loving it and so want to expand. he does come home at times to find me baking and goes absolutely mad, and says "you would rather bake for people you dont know than clean house, do my book work, look after your children - you are selfish, self centred ive never met anyone like you"

so how did i find my way here on mums.net - well i finally sort of woke up last week when my OH went out on a all day racing jolly with his mates for his birthday, one of my friends said come over to mine in the evening if you fancy it. i thought lovely - OH wont be home to early hours that would be really nice plus my kids and her kids get on. so there i was i had just got round my friends when my phone rang - it was him, i answered and in a very drunk voice he said "where are you" "i said round my friends. he said i need picking up, so i said i have only just got here and we have ordered a takeaway i cant just leave. he put the phone down. i prayed he would carry on with his night and leave me alone. NO - an hour later my phone rang - where the f*k are you im trying to get in the house - i have no fking keys your so selfish. this was said in an arrogant nasty voice. i was terrified - i just picked up the kids shoved them in the car and raced home - my friend just stood there thinking what the f*k.

Couple of days later i was with my friend and i just broke down i told her everything - she couldnt believe what i was telling her - she said i was one of the loveliest people she had ever met - me really? - and HE was a bully and told me he was controlling me and it was wrong - i found myself saying but i do sometimes forget to clean the kitchen floor, or do his bookwork wrong, and put my cakes first - she said listen to yourself - you are your own person and a lovely one at that, none deserves to be controlled or treated like that. so i started to look up relationship problems on the internet and found the thread on here - are you in a VA or EA relationship - as i was reading it i though OMG thats me.

But what do i do now - i have too very young children, leaving would traumatise them - (believe it or not he is a brilliant dad and they love him), plus he would not let me leave without a huge fight (and i dont mean physical) - in a nut shell im terrified of leaving.

One thing i am trying to learn tho to keep me going is that despite the constant putting me down, criticising and the controlling is that im not, there are so many things i can do and i dont deserve to be treated like this.

The other is that i have found some lovely friends who love me for me unconditionally and have said "they arent going anywhere regardless" without them i wouldnt be here (as in realising the above).

x

OP posts:
MavisGrind · 11/06/2012 18:56

Vanilla - You sound like a really lovely person and it is so sad that you have been made to feel otherwise. There are a lot of wise women here and you are getting some fantastic advice. I'm afraid I have nothing useful to add but I just wanted to wish you the very best new start for you and your dcs.

claudedebussy · 11/06/2012 19:01

what a prize wanker.

but vanilla, please tell your parents. they will worry but they will be able to help you. imagine how you'd feel if this were happening to one of your kids. would you want them to not worry you? wouldn't you rather they turned to you for help?

southlundon · 11/06/2012 19:15

I was going to add the same as Claude - they will probably feel worse that you have been so EA'd that you haven't been able to tell them what's been going on. Please do tell them Vanilla.

CrystalsAreCool · 11/06/2012 20:00

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LurcioLovesFrankie · 11/06/2012 20:16

Another person here who thinks you sound lovely. And I think your parents probably have a pretty good idea of what's going on - mine did when my sister was in an abusive marriage. They are probably beside themselves with worry and distraught at not being able to help - most people have enough of an instinctive understanding of abusive relationships to know that if he's forcing you to cut contact, trying to keep in touch with you could exacerbate the situation unless you're actually ready to admit the abuse and start planning to leave. But as soon as you find yourselves able to tell tehm, they will be able to help in all sorts of practical and emotional ways. Good luck.

angeltattoo · 11/06/2012 20:26

Not much to add either, except...wow.

I cannot believe you have had to put up with being treated so appalingly for so long, but I am glad you have found this place.

He has done every thing he can to belittle you, isolate you from the family and friends that love you, make you doubt yourself, remove your self worth amd stifle your clearly bright, intelligent, articulate and loving self. He has done this because he does not love you, he does not value you and he sees you as his, and not your own, person.

When you leave, firstly please do so safely, and by this I mean please do not give him any benefit of being reasonable or normal, and by judging him by your values. Please judge him by his own dispicabe values and behaviours and keep yourself safe. I do not want to scare you, just ask you to be prepared. Lots of women, havng found the strength to leave, do so alone and this can the most dangerous time. If he thinks he is on the brink of losing control, he may act unpredictably so please prepare for this.

Practically, I would say leave immediately, or if you want to plan a safe escape, please have some real life physical support, either a friend and realative (not being sexist, but preferably a male or more than one other woman) or the police will escort you safely away.

Men like this caputure bright women like you by being charm personified, he woukd not have revealed his true self until you were truly isolated and helpless. Therefore, as others have said, do not let him charm you out of this by outting the mask back in hs real self, because he will resent the extra effort so much that when it slips again, it will be even worse than before you realised what he was up to.

Finally (sorry to have gone on!), I was once with a man who you have described to a T. My mother knew from the first time she met him - she was terrified for me. The day I told her what was going, she was so relieved. He had tried to isolate me, change me, made me stop and think about every action and thought, and crushed my spirit to nothing. No one has ever made me feel so, so worthless. Telling those that love and value me was hard, but as others have said your parents will already know that their lovely daughter needs to leave him to blossom again.

You will flourish, and your DC will thrive when you leave, and until you leave you won't realise just how toxuc he has been - although you a getting there! Not having his constantly hanging over everything you do will be such a relief.

Finally, today, my husband is a great man - he loves me, encourages me, loves to see me succeed, is proud of me...and I him. We are grateful for what one does for the other, but expect nothing to be done, no chores, no performances, no duties, because we are grown adults, each responsible for ourselves. Although when I say he is a great man, of course to me he is, but what he essentially is normal and balanced, not exceptional, and therefore this should be the basis/minimum of any relationship.

Leave safely, enjoy your freedom and your DC's childhood, rediscover your vivacious self, spend time with your friends and family...yiu'll have an amazing future xx

Ps. Excuse typos in my rush to post!

bogeyface · 11/06/2012 20:32

I dont know if this has been mentioned but I hope that you are clearing the history and cache etc on your PC, or using private browsing. If he senses a change then he may start looking for reasons why.

Other than that, I can only agree with the others that you sound absolutely lovely and you deserve so much better.

Take care xx

Zara1984 · 11/06/2012 21:03

Vanilla please please leave this man. My mother was (well is - but I haven't spoken to her in years) a bully and emotionally abusive.

This is affecting your kids right now. I know, because that was once me - I read your posts and it feels like my childhood. Please please leave, for their sake. The longer you leave it, the more it damaged them.

You sound like you have excellent friends and parents who are very worried about you and your kids. They will help you, trust in them Smile

ladybrady22 · 11/06/2012 22:30

Vanilla you're story gave me goosebumps as I can relate to so much of it, especially thinking whenever hes being nice that he might just turn at any second and constantly walking on eggshells. My STBXH was EA for years and if it wasn't for Mumsnet I would still be in the relationship and a shadow of myself. It was only from reading threads on the relationships board, especially about EA that I realised that this was not normal. It took a long time to accept that these things elated to me and even longer to accept that things wouldnt change. I thought if I could just find the right words to explain to him how much it was hurting me then he'd change. As it turned out, he did know I was hurting but just didn't care.

I finally told my parents who said that they knew something was very wrong for a long time and have spent years worrying about me. Telling them the situation and getting their unconditional support has helped me to get through. Like you, I've found that when I finally confided in my close friends they were supportive beyond anything I could have imagined. I think you just have to let someone in on what is happening so they can help you see your way. That is exactly what these men don't want. They know that if we start talking to others about this we will find out bthat actually it is not us that has the problem.

I decided to leave him at the beginning of the year and after a hellish few months living in the same house as he refused to go then he finally moved out last week. And despite all my worries, the kids are fine. Everything is fine. He's still furious at me but it doesn't matter as I can lock the door and hes gone. And the feeling that comes with that is something that I am still not used to. Its like you can finally breathe out. The kids and I baked brownies tonight around the time he would normally have walked through the door. There's no way I could have done that before as he would have had a fit that the kitchen wasn't tidy and there wasn't a 'suitable' meal on the table for him.

I don't mean to go on about myself but I just want you to know that it is possible to do this and for everything to be okay, better than okay. I know that feeling of not even being able to see the tunnel never mind the light at the end of it but you have so much support here and you can do this. Just take one step at a time toAnd in six months or a year then you'll be the one posting on someone else's thread cescribing how you got out and how the world has become a brighter place because you don't have to even think about him any more. Your life can be however you want it to be.

AnyFucker · 11/06/2012 22:50

lady,that is so inspiring

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 12/06/2012 08:15

God ladybrady that made me cry - so many congratulations on finding your way out of the prison he made for you and beginning to make a better life where you and your children don't have to live in fear.

Lovely post angeltattoo as well.

Vanilla - if you ever watch films with your friends try and get one of them to rent or otherwise get hold of Waitress. There's a lot of irrelevant storyline in it but the central character is a frustrated pie-maker whose husband controls her and tries to kill off her ambition - might ring a bell!

What's your next step going to be today? Brew

QueenofWhatever · 12/06/2012 20:25

Vanilla, this sounds so like the situation I was in before I left my ex three years ago. Country village - check, he works from home - check, gas lighting - check, nothing ever good enough - check. But I was saved by MNet and Women's Aid.

So my advice is a little different. Keep phoning WA and posting but DO NOT behave differently or try and pull him up on his abusive behaviour. It sounds like he's already realised something is changing. This is the most dangerous time for you and your kids.

Get a secret e-mail for this stuff from google or yahoo. Follow the instructions for an escape plan on the WA website. I started carrying my DD's and my passport in my bag along with £200 cash at all times. Dig out photos, jewellery that mean a lot to you and leave them with a friend.

Remember - you can grab your kids and your bag and just leave at any time. You will be believed, you can go to a refuge. PM me any time. You wil get out.

BerylStreep · 12/06/2012 20:36

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AnyFucker · 12/06/2012 20:38

Vanilla has started another thread

I am sure I will be forgiven for linking it here

TheHappyHissy · 12/06/2012 20:53

I'm in awe of you vanilla, yourpost reminded me so much of my own past.

I've been out a year or so, and working hard to reclaim my life.

If i can ever be of any help to you, in any way, please pm me? I'll be following your journey.

BerylStreep · 13/06/2012 18:31

Will read the other thread.

Willow, your situation is truly shocking, and I am so glad you have some RL support and that you will be out the situation soon.

Even if you don't report these sexual assaults against you with a view to prosecution, please report them to your local DV officer for information. They will record his sexual offending as intelligence, which could be used to protect someone in the future.

I know it is an entirely different set of circumstances, but had anyone joined the dots, and the various concerns about Ian Huntley, the Soham tragedy may never have happened.

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