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ListenBeforeJudging · 09/06/2012 22:14

I'm fully expecting a flaming...this will be long.

I've spent many months lurking and reading the posts about all the affairs and suspected affairs and to be honest, it's helped me get over my own hurt. It's not often that the OW perspective is aired and I wanted to just let you all know that we're not all evil home-wreckers. There are always two sides to the story.

I had a male friend at work. We were good friends for quite a long time - nothing more in it. Then one day, out of the blue, he confessed that he'd fallen for me. I was gobsmacked, hadn't seen it coming and immediately distanced myself - I was angry with him as I didn't know what he wanted me to do with that information as a) he was married and b) I'd never thought of him like that.

I had a lot of time invested in our friendship and knew him well (albeit only at work) and knew he wasn't the typical straying type. I considered him a genuine friend so over time we talked it through. He confided that he felt that his marriage had broken down and that he'd been wanting to leave for at least two years (they'd been married for 8, had married young, no kids and it had descended into something platonic). He was terrified of leaving as he knew his wife was still in love with him and would be very hurt. His whole adult life, his family and all his friends were wrapped up with her.

For months we tried to put the situation behind us and carry on as normal but he told me that for the first time, he knew that he had to leave as if was capable of feeling the feelings he had for me there was no way back to fix his marriage.

We became closer and I started to develop feelings for him but still nothing happened between us. Then he told me that he was going to tell her that it was over. I was away and didn't see him for a week and when I came back he said he'd told her that he wanted out and that the 'wheels were in motion'. It was then that our affair began. We fell deeply in love.

With hindsight this was my biggest mistake and greatest regret. Long story short she was devastated, he couldn't go through with the pain he was causing her and for the next two years we had an on/off relationship (while managing somehow to have a consistent friendship) while he tried to extricate himself from the situation.

Then she found out. He cut me out of his life 'temporarily' while he 'sorted things out' (by this point we no longer worked together). I waited 3 months before seeing the light and telling him that it would never happen and that it was over. 4 months after that he left her. It was too late for us. There had been too much pain caused.

He was the love of my life. I still miss our friendship. I've felt the worst pain of my life over this.

My point to this story? I never planned to fall for him although I accept that I made some bad judgements and got in over my head emotionally. I've spent the last two years regretting what happened. I dream about his (now ex) wife often and want nothing more than to contact her to apologise for the part I played in her hurt - but I know that would just be indulgent and of no value to her when she's trying to move on.

My genuine belief is that if all was well in a marriage there would be no reason for a man to find solace/confidantes elsewhere. My advice? Talk about your concerns with your DH - before things get to the point that you can't communicate anymore.

OP posts:
higgle · 12/06/2012 13:24

You put it better than I did myself IN40Y !

MadAboutHotChoc · 12/06/2012 13:30

Sugar - of course he is happy, he is having his cake and eating it - duh!!

Looks (or hot sex) has very little to do with why cheaters have affairs - as my H readily admits, the attraction of OW is ego stroking attention.

arthriticfingers · 12/06/2012 13:31

"but maybe that other person is better at coping, better organised, more of an optimist and those sort of qualities are important."
Oh FFS Angry
Well why don't the unfaithful fuck off with with these other people? Higgle
Oh wait ... the reason that you have such a wonderful life is that you are such a wonderful person.
Those of us whose relationships have been broken without being part of the debate are - and didn't we always know it - completely to blame!
And as for the Mumsnet mantra - haven't noticed anyone flaming Alurkatsoftplay maybe because the post expressed the opinion that our bad behaviour - is exactly that - ours, and cannot be pinned on anyone else.

sugarsprinkles · 12/06/2012 13:34

Mad... and I am having mine and eating it too! It is not as simple as that and while I said it wasn't about looks I didn't say it wasn't about hot sex and lots of it. There is way way more to it than ego stroking

WhitegoldWielder · 12/06/2012 13:34

Sugar - what do you think the wife of the person you are having an affair with would say if someone asked her 'Does your husband lie to you?'. You see once a person is able to demonstrate how they are able to lie and deceive to one person they are in a 'committed relationship' with all other relationships are on shaky ground. Plus it hardly sounds worth it. And there is a good chance he's having sex with other women too- you do know that don't you?

sugarsprinkles · 12/06/2012 13:35

Your H is your H... what he says doesn't go for everyone

MadAboutHotChoc · 12/06/2012 13:37

I do not spoil my kids and even if I did that would not be a reason why my H had an affair. How absurd Hmm

As Shirley Glass says, child centred marriages are vulnerable - but that is because it shifts some of the attention and energy away from the selfish partner.

Also remember that whoever is investing less in the marriage is the one most likely to have an affair so no matter what I did or didn't do, my H would still have had an affair - it was all about him and his issues, not me and not the marriage.

To think otherwise is self delusion on a grand scale.....

sugarsprinkles · 12/06/2012 13:38

Nope there is no way he has the time or the means to have sex with other women... and he wouldn't want to

sugarsprinkles · 12/06/2012 13:39

Of course it was partly about you and the marriage! partly him and his issues too but you can't say it had nothing to do with your home life

WhitegoldWielder · 12/06/2012 13:41

Oh and for the record - posting without personal prejudice save past involvement in providing couple counselling and relationship psychology.

WhitegoldWielder · 12/06/2012 13:43

Sugar - many wives have said the same.

MadAboutHotChoc · 12/06/2012 13:43

Oh have you been in H's therapy sessions then? Like many cheaters, they cheat because they can and want to - having the perfect wife at home will not make a difference.

When you say you are eating your cake as well - you must feel proud of yourself Hmm

Alurkatsoftplay · 12/06/2012 13:44

Rubbish, sugar, you can have the happiest home life in the world and still cheat. I know, I have done that.
Would you say that if someone wants a biscuit after having a cake, that there is something wrong with the cake? Of course not. It's just being greedy.

MadAboutHotChoc · 12/06/2012 13:44

Nope there is no way he has the time or the means to have sex with other women... and he wouldn't want to

LOl! That's what all betrayed spouses say.

ImNot40Yet · 12/06/2012 13:47

'Also remember that whoever is investing less in the marriage is the one most likely to have an affair'

This could well be true in some cases, but it's not that simple and I think it needs thinking about.

In my case, I invested until I was blue in the face, until I couldn't invest any more and was getting nothing back. So I had the affair.

Still believe the top statement?

JustFab · 12/06/2012 13:53

And you didn't even end up with him. "Too much pain/too late"

FFS talk about over dramatic.

All that for nothing at all, leaving a broken hearted wife.

ImNot40Yet · 12/06/2012 13:54

JustFab, sorry, are you referring to me?

sugarsprinkles · 12/06/2012 13:58

Jesus Christ I know he is not seeing other women because he has no time in which to do so and no money to fund it ok? His marriage is not happy I know that also for several reasons I will not go into now. He does not have the perfect wife there is no such fucking thing and I don't feel proud of myself no I do not.
Now run along and read some more Shirley Glass

sugarsprinkles · 12/06/2012 14:00

Actually I don't like cake much

Houseofplain · 12/06/2012 14:01

The delusion and shallowness knows no bounds. You have to laugh at the ows and pro ows. EVERYTHING is so shallow and materialistic, not about the childrens welfare. Their feelings, time, etc.

Another a stereotype, tick.

After insluting everyone yesterday 40 about having no life and not returning to post, how is your "going off to get a life going"?

WhitegoldWielder · 12/06/2012 14:02

Not 40 yet - I am well aware that you may not wish to engage with certain posters but I have some questions. It seems that you returned to your husband after leaving him because he threatened suicide and to harm your children. Did you both seek any sort of counselling when you got back together because this seems such a tricky foundation on which to rebuild a marriage?

It still seems from your posts that there is still some unresolved issues? Plus let's not forget that affairs are also damaging to the person conducting them. Not everyone does get flamed for honestly admitting to an affair on MN - but then they might have to try to understand where the flaming posts come from. If they are upsetting it might be a good idea to consider why?

BelieveInPink · 12/06/2012 14:04

It's not true to say in all affairs, the marriage is perfect and the wife is perfect. It's not true to say men have affairs purely because there's something wrong either. Neither is true for all affairs.

Sometimes it's possible to have one affair with a person you consider your soulmate. You don't think the husband/wife at home is who you want to be with. Sometimes men stray because they can and would do whether they had the perfect (not possible) wife at home.

It might help the wronged party to say their husbands strayed and it wasn't because of a problem/fault with the marriage but in some cases the man simply prefers another woman to their wives. It's not right, but it's true.

JustFab · 12/06/2012 14:07

No, 40 I am referring to the OP.

ImNot40Yet · 12/06/2012 14:08

WhiteGold, this thread isn't about me but yes, we did have counselling. I was well aware it was shaky ground, and did not want to come back for that very reason. We learnt a lot, both of us, and that is why we are together, and much happier. We have rows as ever and everyone, but we are better able to deal with disagreements now.

I will ignore HousofPlain's snide post, except to say I popped back while I am having a cup of tea to see if any of the posters had matured, and I decided to take 5 mins to post myself.

That okay with you, HoP?

Houseofplain · 12/06/2012 14:13

Takes one to know one. You cant make posts like you did before, all snidey and nasty, then not have people call you on the irony, love.

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