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I had an affair..........a perspective (long)

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Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:26

It occurred to me recently having seen so many threads on MN about affairs and usually from the wronged person's POV, that you don't read the other side very often, particularly after the event. Also, understandably even though it isn't RL, the temptation to put yourself forward on MN in a good light is a strong one, but I would like to try to be honest. My motivation for doing this is partly because I am in a thoughtful, introverted mood (just had a second miscarriage on 3rd IVF attempt) and partly to try and make sense of it. Also, it might be useful for other people perhaps - I hope so.

I met my first husband at university when we were both mature(ish) students. He had two children from a previous marriage and they were 2.5 and 5 when we got together. I didn't meet them for almost a year at his ex-wife's request. We were very in love and it was heady and exciting. He didn't want children and said so. Very early on (within 3 months of getting together) I explained that I would be wanting children in the future (I was 23 at the time) but didn't push the subject. A few months later, quite spontaneously, he said he realised it wouldn't be fair on me to not have a family and so that it would be fine.

As soon as I met the children and we had moved in together, we had them Friday-Monday and later when they were older, we had the 50% of the time and the elder one also lived with us full time from months at a time. The older child (boy) had behavioural difficulties which became progressively worse - violence, aggression, rages and drinking (he is now 17) became commonplace. His mother also had an alcohol problem that made Keith Richards look like an Amish. To her credit she did resolve it, but it did very negatively affect the children at the time (3 days in bed drinking whisky and not feeding them when we were away once, for example). Clearly, a difficult situation was unfolding and I/we did our best. The trouble for me was that I was excluded from all decisions re the children. It may sound weak that I was not able to change this situation - it may have been the unending sense of crisis, what with the boy's behaviour and the mother's, or it may have been that I was the main breadwinnner and also did most of the household work and all the cooking/laundry, or it may be that I was a crap step-mother, but I did try every way I knew how. An example would be in the 11 years we were together, he would never let me know what nights they would be staying until the day - I would explain I just wanted to know so I could plan meals, etc.

Between my ex-H and I it was great in some ways (easy company, intellectually stimulating, fun) and awful in others (his selfishness, inability to involve me in decisions about the kids and worst of all, a penchant for fetishistic sex that sent him into protracted sulks if he didn't get it,). Meanwhile, he asked me to marry him, then retracted it for a year, then changed his mind (at this point 7 years in to our relationship!) about kids. I was heartbroken about the marriage proposal retraction - I am intelligent, scrub up alright and had devoted myself to his happiness, his dreams and his family. It was quite a slap. I started to become very sad, even though we did get married. There was a period of several months where I would cry and cry and cry and tell him I was unhappy but he refused to talk about it. Later, he said I hadn't tried to tell him enough that I was unhappy.

So far, these are reasons to be unhappy, but not an excuse for an affair - that is a distinction I fully appreciate.

The next thing that happened is I met someone at work and had an instant and electrifying connection. One of the first things I said to him (very inappropriate, he was senior to me), when he was talking about moving abroad was 'you'll never meet the next Mrs X there'. I was taken aback with myself as in that moment I panicked that if he left I wouldn't be able to marry him. Weird. I pushed it to the back of my head and got on with the business of my life. It wouldn't go away though and simultaneously, I was begging my husband to communicate with me about a) family b) the arrangements with the SCs and c) my unwillingness to participate in his ever-increasing appetite for degrading sex. He refused. We had a loft extension and I suggested that one of the rooms could be a nursery, he suggested it could be a 'sex den'.

After about 9 months of resisting my feelings for the man at work, I gave in, surrendered to the feeling that here was somebody who understood who I was inside, and lets face it, I was, to borrow a line from Bridget Jones, suffused with sex lust for. There followed an affair, which consisted largely of him pleading with me to leave my husband, me telling him it was over and interspersed with sex. A lot of cheap pub glasses of wine were drunk, a lot of texts were sent and deleted, as I unknowingly followed 'the script'. Eventually I manned up and told my husband. I had deceived him extensively, but when it came to confession time, I didn't lie about what, how often or other details.

I went to Relate, I thought I might go mad and I thought I wanted to work it out with him. We talked about a family again and then came a bombshell. He said me wanting a family with him, made him feel 'used'. I thought in total amazement over the previous 10 years of step-mothering. But I guess in the context of me sleeping with another man, it was understandable. It was enough, however, to convince me that his needs would always, always come first. So I broke his heart and mine, lost many friends and set off into a new relationship.
'New man' and I are now married and very, very happy. From my ex husband's point of view, I am a vain, selfish, heartless cheat. From my mother and new husband's point of view I am saintly and had the best years of my fertility cruelly robbed from me. Of course, neither of these is true, or perhaps they both are.

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JustFab · 08/06/2012 17:30

Are you with the man you had the affair with?

Can you not have children with him?

Dprince · 08/06/2012 17:32

I am honestly not sure what your point is tbh.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:32

Yes we are together. He had an unsuccessful vasectomy reversal so we are IVF-ing. We are hopeful of success eventually...

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JumpingThroughHoops · 08/06/2012 17:33

I never judge on domestic issues. It's not my place to.

A generalisation, women have affairs when their emotional needs in a relationship aren't being met.

It's never one persons fault. It takes two have a relationship break down.

You post has pointed out what I've been saying for a long time - if you lose communication and feel marginalised or excluded then you will look for self worth, validity of existence and to reassert your own inner self elsewhere.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:33

There isn't a point as such - other than The Affair often appears very black and white on MN, just offering a perspective from the perspective of the person who has committed the wrong. It's not meant to be a cheater's manifesto or anything!

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lels99 · 08/06/2012 17:36

Good on you for moving on and taking control of your life. Everyone deserves to be happy you took your cahnce and went for it :)

JustFab · 08/06/2012 17:37

I hope the IVF is successful.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:39

Thanks JustFab fingers crossed

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Dprince · 08/06/2012 17:41

Your exh was a dick. But cheating is never right imo. You should have just left. You talk about how people can be tempted to paint themselves in a positive light. Apart from the affair, you don't seem to hold an responsibility for the relationship break down. Is that really true? I am not saying its not,just asking.
The fact that you are still with the OM and happy doesn't make it any better. Like I said your ex was a dick, I am glad you left and are happy, but I can't accept having an affair was the right thing to do.
Men have affairs and their reasons are always seen as excuses. A woman says its was because she was deprived of emotions and its ok. I don't get it.

justpaddling · 08/06/2012 17:42

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Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:44

Yes peabody I'm expecting a flaming - it's hard to be honest even though it isn't RL.

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Dprince · 08/06/2012 17:45

Also your fertility hasn't been robbed as its your dh that can't have children. I wanted to wish you the best of luck with the ivf. Don't feel your ex robbed you of anything let it go and be happy.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:46

that's the point of this post dprince - how often on MN does someone post that they behaved appallingly - that is kind of implicit in my post that I did behave appallingly, isn't it? I say very clearly they are reasons for unhappiness, not excuses for an affair.

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Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:48

The fertility robbed thing is my mum's POV - I was just illustrating how unsound it is to form these judgements... I don't feel robbed at all, I feel lucky that we are in it together

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Dprince · 08/06/2012 17:52

Yes and I was stating my opinion on the matter.
I was referring to the section pre affair. That the relationship had got to that point but you had no hand in it breaking down. I was just wondering if that was true, that you behaved impeccably.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:55

I think I behaved really well up to that point, yes.

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Shesparkles · 08/06/2012 17:56

I just don't think anyone can or should judge a situation until they've walked in your shoes.
I really hope your IVF is successful

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:01

ta sparkles - I used to work as a regulator for IVF clinics and in the arrogance of my youth, used to think 'that could never happen to me...' idiot!

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timetoask · 08/06/2012 18:04

It must be so hard to be a step mum and feel excluded like that. I am sorry to spent so many years trying to make it work with your ex, he kept you on your toes for years, changing his mind about marriage, changing his mind about children, agreeing to having babies because it wouldn't be fair on you.

Perhaps the lesson here is that we need to choose partners that want the same things we want from life? , and if it's clearly not working, just move on as quickly as you can.

I wish you all the happiness in world with your new husband (with or without children).
xx

Dprince · 08/06/2012 18:04

In all honesty the sex bit would have had me out the door, a sex den? Wtf? I just wondered about the pre affair bit that's all.

NormaStanleyFletcher · 08/06/2012 18:04

I am glad you are happy.

It sounds like your relationship with your first husband was not good. And that you tried to express what you were struggling with.

However, you should have left that relationship before starting another.

ashesgirl · 08/06/2012 18:05

I too think you are very brave posting about this. Am glad things worked out.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:07

Thanks timetoask I have a very healthy respect for step-parents who make a success of it and I did feel (still do) that I did fail as a SM. You read a lot about putting children first which is 100% right, but sometimes putting them first and working out a good system with your new partner don't have to be mutually exclusive activities, but as a SP clearly you don't understand what it's like to be a parent, so it's easy to end up with no voice. I am SO not meek in RL, it's just a really difficult thing to get right

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Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:09

Lol dprince the sex bit was weird but he reckoned it was part of his actual genetic make-up so depriving him was on a par with not feeding a starving person.... Hmm

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Sassybeast · 08/06/2012 18:11

How touching Hmm
Really not sure what the point is. There will be lots of fellow cheats who will tell you that what you did was fine.
There are lots of people whose partners have had affairs and will roll their eyes at your post. The self justification is nauseating to anyone who has felt the pain of a cheating spouse.
And there are plenty of other people who thankfully, still do the decent thing and separate from a husband or wife they don't love before fucking someone else.

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