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I had an affair..........a perspective (long)

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Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:26

It occurred to me recently having seen so many threads on MN about affairs and usually from the wronged person's POV, that you don't read the other side very often, particularly after the event. Also, understandably even though it isn't RL, the temptation to put yourself forward on MN in a good light is a strong one, but I would like to try to be honest. My motivation for doing this is partly because I am in a thoughtful, introverted mood (just had a second miscarriage on 3rd IVF attempt) and partly to try and make sense of it. Also, it might be useful for other people perhaps - I hope so.

I met my first husband at university when we were both mature(ish) students. He had two children from a previous marriage and they were 2.5 and 5 when we got together. I didn't meet them for almost a year at his ex-wife's request. We were very in love and it was heady and exciting. He didn't want children and said so. Very early on (within 3 months of getting together) I explained that I would be wanting children in the future (I was 23 at the time) but didn't push the subject. A few months later, quite spontaneously, he said he realised it wouldn't be fair on me to not have a family and so that it would be fine.

As soon as I met the children and we had moved in together, we had them Friday-Monday and later when they were older, we had the 50% of the time and the elder one also lived with us full time from months at a time. The older child (boy) had behavioural difficulties which became progressively worse - violence, aggression, rages and drinking (he is now 17) became commonplace. His mother also had an alcohol problem that made Keith Richards look like an Amish. To her credit she did resolve it, but it did very negatively affect the children at the time (3 days in bed drinking whisky and not feeding them when we were away once, for example). Clearly, a difficult situation was unfolding and I/we did our best. The trouble for me was that I was excluded from all decisions re the children. It may sound weak that I was not able to change this situation - it may have been the unending sense of crisis, what with the boy's behaviour and the mother's, or it may have been that I was the main breadwinnner and also did most of the household work and all the cooking/laundry, or it may be that I was a crap step-mother, but I did try every way I knew how. An example would be in the 11 years we were together, he would never let me know what nights they would be staying until the day - I would explain I just wanted to know so I could plan meals, etc.

Between my ex-H and I it was great in some ways (easy company, intellectually stimulating, fun) and awful in others (his selfishness, inability to involve me in decisions about the kids and worst of all, a penchant for fetishistic sex that sent him into protracted sulks if he didn't get it,). Meanwhile, he asked me to marry him, then retracted it for a year, then changed his mind (at this point 7 years in to our relationship!) about kids. I was heartbroken about the marriage proposal retraction - I am intelligent, scrub up alright and had devoted myself to his happiness, his dreams and his family. It was quite a slap. I started to become very sad, even though we did get married. There was a period of several months where I would cry and cry and cry and tell him I was unhappy but he refused to talk about it. Later, he said I hadn't tried to tell him enough that I was unhappy.

So far, these are reasons to be unhappy, but not an excuse for an affair - that is a distinction I fully appreciate.

The next thing that happened is I met someone at work and had an instant and electrifying connection. One of the first things I said to him (very inappropriate, he was senior to me), when he was talking about moving abroad was 'you'll never meet the next Mrs X there'. I was taken aback with myself as in that moment I panicked that if he left I wouldn't be able to marry him. Weird. I pushed it to the back of my head and got on with the business of my life. It wouldn't go away though and simultaneously, I was begging my husband to communicate with me about a) family b) the arrangements with the SCs and c) my unwillingness to participate in his ever-increasing appetite for degrading sex. He refused. We had a loft extension and I suggested that one of the rooms could be a nursery, he suggested it could be a 'sex den'.

After about 9 months of resisting my feelings for the man at work, I gave in, surrendered to the feeling that here was somebody who understood who I was inside, and lets face it, I was, to borrow a line from Bridget Jones, suffused with sex lust for. There followed an affair, which consisted largely of him pleading with me to leave my husband, me telling him it was over and interspersed with sex. A lot of cheap pub glasses of wine were drunk, a lot of texts were sent and deleted, as I unknowingly followed 'the script'. Eventually I manned up and told my husband. I had deceived him extensively, but when it came to confession time, I didn't lie about what, how often or other details.

I went to Relate, I thought I might go mad and I thought I wanted to work it out with him. We talked about a family again and then came a bombshell. He said me wanting a family with him, made him feel 'used'. I thought in total amazement over the previous 10 years of step-mothering. But I guess in the context of me sleeping with another man, it was understandable. It was enough, however, to convince me that his needs would always, always come first. So I broke his heart and mine, lost many friends and set off into a new relationship.
'New man' and I are now married and very, very happy. From my ex husband's point of view, I am a vain, selfish, heartless cheat. From my mother and new husband's point of view I am saintly and had the best years of my fertility cruelly robbed from me. Of course, neither of these is true, or perhaps they both are.

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Dprince · 08/06/2012 18:15

I can't condone the affair, as I believe you understand. But he was a complete tool. Seriously? I have heard some shit in my time but genetic make up takes the biscuit quite honestly. This relationship sounds, imo, quite abusive.
I am wondering though if man posted this if he would have the same understanding? I am not saying you are not deserving of understanding because you are. I am just can't imagine people been so understanding iyswim.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:16

You're entitled to your views of course sassy - there isn't any self-justification in my post though. Or if there is I certainly don't feel self-justified

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BalloonSlayer · 08/06/2012 18:16

I think you are brave and honest.

I like this bit "From my ex husband's point of view, I am a vain, selfish, heartless cheat. From my mother and new husband's point of view I am saintly and had the best years of my fertility cruelly robbed from me. Of course, neither of these is true, or perhaps they both are."

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:18

I agree dprince a man would get much more of a roasting and I do think I deserve one for the deceit and the lies.

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MrsCampbellBlack · 08/06/2012 18:21

Polly - I understand why you had the affair and I really hope your IVF works. In an ideal world you should have left your ex first but you know that.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:21

dprince it may sound like I have exaggerated the sex thing, but I have actually played it down because, despite my post's general honesty I haven't really processed all that ghastly business yet

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SoupDragon · 08/06/2012 18:21

"I think you are brave and honest."

No, the brave and honest thing to do would have been to end the marriage before embarking on a new relationship. Having an affair is cowardly and dishonest.

Dprince · 08/06/2012 18:26

Tbf its a bit harder to flame someone who admits their actions are unacceptable. Another question if i may? How does it feel knowing that's how your relationship started like this?
Sorry if i being nosey. But its not often i get to ask these sorts of questions.

BalloonSlayer · 08/06/2012 18:29

I am saying that she is brave and honest NOW, Soup, not then. What's done is done. She didn't have to post this. She could never mention it and no one would ever know. But she has described what she did and how she felt and risked being flamed.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:29

I don't feel great about that. Whichever way you look at it, it's not an edifying start and if there are any DCs the 'get together' story isn't going to made into a Disney film any time soon..

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Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:31

Hi Balloon that was what I was trying to do. We all come on here and say we've got crap friends, parents, DHs etc. Why I have willfully come on here to say "I am that crap person" I'm not completely sure. Not, I assure you for absolution! Really just wanted to be honest and air life's complexities

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AThingInYourLife · 08/06/2012 18:31

God, I'm so glad that story had a happy ending :)

I was really afraid you were going to lose out on a good guy for the abusive wanker who used you as a domestic and sexual appliance for a decade out of some ridiculous sense of duty.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:32

lol at domestic appliance! He was a manchild, is all

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AThingInYourLife · 08/06/2012 18:35

He sounds a lot worse than a manchild.

Whatever it took to get you away from him and his demands for degrading sex you didn't want is OK by me.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 18:36

He wanted me to wear a hood [shudders].... I didn't....

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Losingitall · 08/06/2012 18:41

Brave post glad you got out.

Hope the IVF works out

MrsSchadenfreude · 08/06/2012 18:55

I agree with Balloonslayer.

Dprince · 08/06/2012 18:58

I was wondering if the situation had caused issues. I know one couple who got together this way. She always thinks he will do it to her. But he is a bit of tool as well, even removing the leaving his wife for her bit.

JosieZ · 08/06/2012 19:03

Was the other man married with children when you started the affair.

Seems to me you were too weak to deal with unpleasant DH and his thoughtless behaviour and waited until another 'home' was offerred by new man. So am not impressed. However if new man was single, ok but if you took him from his marriage and DCs, not good.

southlundon · 08/06/2012 19:26

Hi Polly

I would never, ever condone cheating. In fact when I was with ExBF my DH and I got into many situations that could have become an affair but I always stopped myself, even when absolutely p!ssed and it took a year after I broke up its ExBf before DH and I got together. . As mentioned above, I'd always have it in the back of my head (and your DH may feel the same about you) that once a cheater, always a cheater.

But on the other hand, reading your story (and this is partly down to the fact that you wrote it well!), I felt a real sense of happiness that you ended up with the lovely OM and I do hope your IVF works out.

southlundon · 08/06/2012 19:28

And I also want to hear what the depravity was about: just a hood?!

AnyFucker · 08/06/2012 19:38

You haven't said if your "other man" was in another relationship when you took up with him. Since he's had the snip, I assume he has children.

That would make a real difference as to how much slack I woud cut you (personally), although of course we are all simply strangers on t'internet

Tbqh, the only real question I would ask is why you stayed so long with your exH. He sounds like a fucking piece of work. It really wasn't necessary fr you to have your "eit" affair, you should have just eited your marriage cleanly.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing though. Woudl you do anything different, looking back ?

Do you still see your stepchildren, btw ?

AnyFucker · 08/06/2012 19:40

exit affair

desperategit · 08/06/2012 20:15

People who are emotionally and understandably strongly invested in their marriage will project their views, fears and judgements onto those in a rather different situation.

PK - thanks for posting that. In an ideal world we would all leave our current partners before starting another relationship. This isnt an ideal world, and many of us fail. You had more justification than most.

Dprince · 08/06/2012 20:23

That's a very sweeping statement. i am invested in my marriage, however I have always strongly disagreed with cheating on any level. Even as a teen. People can have moral stances that do not reflect their current situation. It reflects their beliefs.