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I had an affair..........a perspective (long)

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Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:26

It occurred to me recently having seen so many threads on MN about affairs and usually from the wronged person's POV, that you don't read the other side very often, particularly after the event. Also, understandably even though it isn't RL, the temptation to put yourself forward on MN in a good light is a strong one, but I would like to try to be honest. My motivation for doing this is partly because I am in a thoughtful, introverted mood (just had a second miscarriage on 3rd IVF attempt) and partly to try and make sense of it. Also, it might be useful for other people perhaps - I hope so.

I met my first husband at university when we were both mature(ish) students. He had two children from a previous marriage and they were 2.5 and 5 when we got together. I didn't meet them for almost a year at his ex-wife's request. We were very in love and it was heady and exciting. He didn't want children and said so. Very early on (within 3 months of getting together) I explained that I would be wanting children in the future (I was 23 at the time) but didn't push the subject. A few months later, quite spontaneously, he said he realised it wouldn't be fair on me to not have a family and so that it would be fine.

As soon as I met the children and we had moved in together, we had them Friday-Monday and later when they were older, we had the 50% of the time and the elder one also lived with us full time from months at a time. The older child (boy) had behavioural difficulties which became progressively worse - violence, aggression, rages and drinking (he is now 17) became commonplace. His mother also had an alcohol problem that made Keith Richards look like an Amish. To her credit she did resolve it, but it did very negatively affect the children at the time (3 days in bed drinking whisky and not feeding them when we were away once, for example). Clearly, a difficult situation was unfolding and I/we did our best. The trouble for me was that I was excluded from all decisions re the children. It may sound weak that I was not able to change this situation - it may have been the unending sense of crisis, what with the boy's behaviour and the mother's, or it may have been that I was the main breadwinnner and also did most of the household work and all the cooking/laundry, or it may be that I was a crap step-mother, but I did try every way I knew how. An example would be in the 11 years we were together, he would never let me know what nights they would be staying until the day - I would explain I just wanted to know so I could plan meals, etc.

Between my ex-H and I it was great in some ways (easy company, intellectually stimulating, fun) and awful in others (his selfishness, inability to involve me in decisions about the kids and worst of all, a penchant for fetishistic sex that sent him into protracted sulks if he didn't get it,). Meanwhile, he asked me to marry him, then retracted it for a year, then changed his mind (at this point 7 years in to our relationship!) about kids. I was heartbroken about the marriage proposal retraction - I am intelligent, scrub up alright and had devoted myself to his happiness, his dreams and his family. It was quite a slap. I started to become very sad, even though we did get married. There was a period of several months where I would cry and cry and cry and tell him I was unhappy but he refused to talk about it. Later, he said I hadn't tried to tell him enough that I was unhappy.

So far, these are reasons to be unhappy, but not an excuse for an affair - that is a distinction I fully appreciate.

The next thing that happened is I met someone at work and had an instant and electrifying connection. One of the first things I said to him (very inappropriate, he was senior to me), when he was talking about moving abroad was 'you'll never meet the next Mrs X there'. I was taken aback with myself as in that moment I panicked that if he left I wouldn't be able to marry him. Weird. I pushed it to the back of my head and got on with the business of my life. It wouldn't go away though and simultaneously, I was begging my husband to communicate with me about a) family b) the arrangements with the SCs and c) my unwillingness to participate in his ever-increasing appetite for degrading sex. He refused. We had a loft extension and I suggested that one of the rooms could be a nursery, he suggested it could be a 'sex den'.

After about 9 months of resisting my feelings for the man at work, I gave in, surrendered to the feeling that here was somebody who understood who I was inside, and lets face it, I was, to borrow a line from Bridget Jones, suffused with sex lust for. There followed an affair, which consisted largely of him pleading with me to leave my husband, me telling him it was over and interspersed with sex. A lot of cheap pub glasses of wine were drunk, a lot of texts were sent and deleted, as I unknowingly followed 'the script'. Eventually I manned up and told my husband. I had deceived him extensively, but when it came to confession time, I didn't lie about what, how often or other details.

I went to Relate, I thought I might go mad and I thought I wanted to work it out with him. We talked about a family again and then came a bombshell. He said me wanting a family with him, made him feel 'used'. I thought in total amazement over the previous 10 years of step-mothering. But I guess in the context of me sleeping with another man, it was understandable. It was enough, however, to convince me that his needs would always, always come first. So I broke his heart and mine, lost many friends and set off into a new relationship.
'New man' and I are now married and very, very happy. From my ex husband's point of view, I am a vain, selfish, heartless cheat. From my mother and new husband's point of view I am saintly and had the best years of my fertility cruelly robbed from me. Of course, neither of these is true, or perhaps they both are.

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distemper · 08/06/2012 20:32

OP. Just wanted to say very quickly that I too had an affair at the end of a lengthy relationship, and am still with the 'OM' some 11 years later. I have also been a divorce lawyer, and know what you mean about seeing the affair threads on MN. There are undoubtedly some totally shitty people in the world who cast other's feelings aside in their own pursuit of happiness or sexual thrill. There are however countless more ordinary people who behave very badly in complicated circumstances but who are not inherently terrible people. Just flawed human beings like most of us are in one way or another. I agree with what another poster said which is that you really cannot really judge until you've been in somebody else shoes.

So I am just posting in solidarity really.

Also wanted to say that I too had IVF due to MF infertility and after numerous failed attempts am now the proud mother of three children. Good luck! x

Iforgotmyusername · 08/06/2012 20:39

Good Luck with the IVF. I found your post fascinating reading - life is never black and white.

Proudnscary · 08/06/2012 20:45

Ummm I've read your post twice (that's 20 minutes I'll never get back again) and don't get why you are 'brave' or 'honest' really.

I just think you cheated on your husband using all the usual excuses and telling all the usual lies in the process.

That said, I bear you no ill will and hope you have the family you crave.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 08/06/2012 20:55

"Tbqh, the only real question I would ask is why you stayed so long with your exH. He sounds like a fucking piece of work. It really wasn't necessary for you to have your "exit" affair, you should have just exited your marriage cleanly."

I was thinking the same as AF tbh. I find it difficult when people who are clearly unhappy cannot end the marriage before beginning a new relationship. It causes twice the pain imo not to do so first Sad

crazyhead · 08/06/2012 21:04

OP I had an affair with a married man from work when I was in a difficult LTR where my needs were very much unmet, and I really relate to what you are saying.

In retrospect, I think what I feel was that I'd allowed myself to be in completely arid and horrendous situation, where it just took this single trigger of meeting my work colleague for me to crack up and be this person I never wanted to be. I think I learnt from it all that if you try to play the martyr you can end up being a bigger shit that you ever dreamed of, you kind of have a responsibility to make sure your relationship is fair and makes you happy, then it is so much easier to be honourable. Like you, I'm very happy now.

thebighouse · 08/06/2012 21:44

I think your post is very honest and life is not black and white.

I think that leaving a relationship for 'nothing' is very difficult - you can be lonely and not know whether you will ever find a companion again. Sometimes a companion - even a bit of a shit one - seems better than none. Then someone comes along who gives you the choice of a LOVELY companion and that can make you realise that you have a choice about your life.

You also have such different needs when you are a bit older and wiser! What you want in a long-term partner might not be a knob who wants you to wear a hood the person that you wanted when you were young.

You have one life. Good luck in your relationship and with your IVF.

something2say · 08/06/2012 21:48

I think her post is very honest as well.

Sometimes, I behave less than well. I spout off about feminist politics or display my residual anger. Sometimes I wonder if a man would want to stay with me.

I think that there must be many women here who did not, who must have read the Op and felt hurt, as tho by her saying what she was alright, what their husbands did to them was also alright.

I don't think that is the case.

I think she was in the wrong rel for her, but went the wrong way about getting out of it.

Some men cheated on their exes on here, and the ex wasn't being badly behaved or unreasonable at all.

I also think may be some of us women may have a thing or two off key with us at times.

I think it is all true and all deserves the light of day. For musing's sake only.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 21:55

Sorry, just back from dinner out... to answer the burning question, my now husband was single and divorced for 8 years. His kids are now 24 and 26 and lovely - the son was best man at our wedding and we are all going on holiday together next week.

To answer the posts about why I stayed so long...hmmm, my ex is charismatic and charming and interesting. I have always been a believer in sticking at things even if they are difficult, but I am very aware of the fact that I made everything worse by staying.

Thanks for the kind words distemper - I knew posting this would not exactly render me everyone's cup of tea, but still, having an understanding response is really helpful as I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel guilt as well as all the other stuff.

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Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 21:57

thanks crazyhead too

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AnyFucker · 08/06/2012 21:59

are you still in touch with your step children ?

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 22:01

Sorry also just seen the question re step children. I wanted to retain a relationship with them but this was not allowed by Ex H. I still write to ex SD now and then. The eldest son I wouldn't want to see him tbh. We never bonded and he is now in the army. I am open to seeing them, but it isn't something that could happen whilst the parents are so against it.

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AnyFucker · 08/06/2012 22:02

ok, thanks for answering

that is a shame, since you were so much a part of their lives for so long

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 22:04

I know and I was really quite close to my SD, who didn't remember a time when I wasn't around. I've thought about this alot, but I can't doorstep her and I wouldn't want to distress her. I write and send her cards/b'day presents etc, and sometimes she texts me.

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lovesthesun · 08/06/2012 22:09

Affairs are never right but they happen for a number of reasons. i admire your honesty and completely understand if your post is a way of getting things of your chest. Good luck with IVF.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 22:18

hi lovethesun it's not really a 'confessional' in the usual sense of the word - I've been on MN for a few months now and I hadn't seen any brutally honest (as in, 'shows me in a bad light') posts and I was keen to hear the reaction. I have reached a point where if all I had received was flaming I would have accepted it, but equally I do believe that people respond to truth even if its unpalatable. I was having a crack at total honesty to see what came back. I'm heartened by the range of views.

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lovesthesun · 08/06/2012 22:25

You are a lot braver than most. We all make mistakes, not everyone owns up to them. You probably deserve a bit of a flaming but the impression I got was that you have already done that to yourself. Its happened, move on and enjoy your life.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 22:27

Now I need Wine!

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lovesthesun · 08/06/2012 22:32

Already started on mine:)

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 22:38

Am ZORSTED by all this honesty and sharing!

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Dprince · 08/06/2012 22:44

As I am sure you have for I hate cheating. But I don't really think it makes someone a bad person. It depends on the circumstance. Here is a woman who has given her reasons, but as reasons not excuses and admits she was wrong. To me that doesn't mean that she is always to be labelled as a bad person. People do bad things, it doesn't make them all bad. There is a difference between someone who can hold their hands up and say 'i did wrong' and a person that just goes through life continually snagging anything that moves despite knowing how much their do is hurting and not caring. Not sure ifbi am explaining myself well.

Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 22:49

You are dprince I think you are clearly a principled person, but have still taken the time to try to understand and be compassionate, whilst not condoning. Muchos respect for that.

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Abitwobblynow · 09/06/2012 11:52

Polly thank you so very much for your honesty. I for one really appreciate your attempts to explain.

However, there are a couple of things that I would like to ask you:

  1. does his wife's drinking make sense now? (not excusing it)
  1. what red flags about this PRINCE did you wilfully ignore, whilst you were a maturish student?
  1. what was it about him that attracted you? Why did his chaos make sense? Why did you think it was your love to 'fix'?
  1. do you pray to a higher power for their poor unfortunate doomed-from-conception children? Do you thank that same higher power that you never brought any more children into that mess? Funnily enough, that was one act of protection that he did do....

Because those things are about you, not the affair.

Abitwobblynow · 09/06/2012 11:58

PS I really hope you did not take those questions as judgemental (even though they are harsh).

I have been on the receiving end of an affair, and have done a lot of 'me' work and this is the level of stuff I am looking at - so I am not asking you anything I wouldn't be requiring myself to examine.

And, when you don't examine this sort of stuff - it has the habit of coming round and biting you on the 'arris. Nobody can escape the karma bus.

Best of, best of luck for your IVF. And, please, if you have any spare compassion at all, could you privately stay in touch with those poor kids without involving their fuckwit spawners? It takes ONE adult to 'see' a child, to save them.

lazarusb · 09/06/2012 19:32

I have PMed you OP, hope that's ok.

Pollykitten · 09/06/2012 20:14

Hi abitwobblynow I am very sorry to hear you have been through the mill yourself. To answer your questions:

  1. Re the drinking: I think some people get much more of a high/release from drinking than others - the ex-w was that person, coupled with the difficult combination of a very very challenging son and a divorce. My view is, nature loads the gun, environment pulls the trigger.
  1. Sorry, don't understand the question
  1. He is very intelligent (academically), witty, fun, very loving & attentive. He didn't seem chaotic at the time. I never thought I had to fix him, but perhaps over-shouldered the responsibility of circumstances
  1. No, I don't as I am not a believer. But I agree it was fortunate that he and I didn't have children. That was actually the clincher - I couldn't envisage him as the father of my children.

I don't disagree with you about the kids - I haven't come up with a great solution though, I need to be honest about that.

Many thanks for the thoughtful comments.

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