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I had an affair..........a perspective (long)

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Pollykitten · 08/06/2012 17:26

It occurred to me recently having seen so many threads on MN about affairs and usually from the wronged person's POV, that you don't read the other side very often, particularly after the event. Also, understandably even though it isn't RL, the temptation to put yourself forward on MN in a good light is a strong one, but I would like to try to be honest. My motivation for doing this is partly because I am in a thoughtful, introverted mood (just had a second miscarriage on 3rd IVF attempt) and partly to try and make sense of it. Also, it might be useful for other people perhaps - I hope so.

I met my first husband at university when we were both mature(ish) students. He had two children from a previous marriage and they were 2.5 and 5 when we got together. I didn't meet them for almost a year at his ex-wife's request. We were very in love and it was heady and exciting. He didn't want children and said so. Very early on (within 3 months of getting together) I explained that I would be wanting children in the future (I was 23 at the time) but didn't push the subject. A few months later, quite spontaneously, he said he realised it wouldn't be fair on me to not have a family and so that it would be fine.

As soon as I met the children and we had moved in together, we had them Friday-Monday and later when they were older, we had the 50% of the time and the elder one also lived with us full time from months at a time. The older child (boy) had behavioural difficulties which became progressively worse - violence, aggression, rages and drinking (he is now 17) became commonplace. His mother also had an alcohol problem that made Keith Richards look like an Amish. To her credit she did resolve it, but it did very negatively affect the children at the time (3 days in bed drinking whisky and not feeding them when we were away once, for example). Clearly, a difficult situation was unfolding and I/we did our best. The trouble for me was that I was excluded from all decisions re the children. It may sound weak that I was not able to change this situation - it may have been the unending sense of crisis, what with the boy's behaviour and the mother's, or it may have been that I was the main breadwinnner and also did most of the household work and all the cooking/laundry, or it may be that I was a crap step-mother, but I did try every way I knew how. An example would be in the 11 years we were together, he would never let me know what nights they would be staying until the day - I would explain I just wanted to know so I could plan meals, etc.

Between my ex-H and I it was great in some ways (easy company, intellectually stimulating, fun) and awful in others (his selfishness, inability to involve me in decisions about the kids and worst of all, a penchant for fetishistic sex that sent him into protracted sulks if he didn't get it,). Meanwhile, he asked me to marry him, then retracted it for a year, then changed his mind (at this point 7 years in to our relationship!) about kids. I was heartbroken about the marriage proposal retraction - I am intelligent, scrub up alright and had devoted myself to his happiness, his dreams and his family. It was quite a slap. I started to become very sad, even though we did get married. There was a period of several months where I would cry and cry and cry and tell him I was unhappy but he refused to talk about it. Later, he said I hadn't tried to tell him enough that I was unhappy.

So far, these are reasons to be unhappy, but not an excuse for an affair - that is a distinction I fully appreciate.

The next thing that happened is I met someone at work and had an instant and electrifying connection. One of the first things I said to him (very inappropriate, he was senior to me), when he was talking about moving abroad was 'you'll never meet the next Mrs X there'. I was taken aback with myself as in that moment I panicked that if he left I wouldn't be able to marry him. Weird. I pushed it to the back of my head and got on with the business of my life. It wouldn't go away though and simultaneously, I was begging my husband to communicate with me about a) family b) the arrangements with the SCs and c) my unwillingness to participate in his ever-increasing appetite for degrading sex. He refused. We had a loft extension and I suggested that one of the rooms could be a nursery, he suggested it could be a 'sex den'.

After about 9 months of resisting my feelings for the man at work, I gave in, surrendered to the feeling that here was somebody who understood who I was inside, and lets face it, I was, to borrow a line from Bridget Jones, suffused with sex lust for. There followed an affair, which consisted largely of him pleading with me to leave my husband, me telling him it was over and interspersed with sex. A lot of cheap pub glasses of wine were drunk, a lot of texts were sent and deleted, as I unknowingly followed 'the script'. Eventually I manned up and told my husband. I had deceived him extensively, but when it came to confession time, I didn't lie about what, how often or other details.

I went to Relate, I thought I might go mad and I thought I wanted to work it out with him. We talked about a family again and then came a bombshell. He said me wanting a family with him, made him feel 'used'. I thought in total amazement over the previous 10 years of step-mothering. But I guess in the context of me sleeping with another man, it was understandable. It was enough, however, to convince me that his needs would always, always come first. So I broke his heart and mine, lost many friends and set off into a new relationship.
'New man' and I are now married and very, very happy. From my ex husband's point of view, I am a vain, selfish, heartless cheat. From my mother and new husband's point of view I am saintly and had the best years of my fertility cruelly robbed from me. Of course, neither of these is true, or perhaps they both are.

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Pollykitten · 09/06/2012 20:17

Just re the higher power bit about not bringing any more children into the relationship - that was very much an issue under my control as I took birth control for the whole of our relationship. I would never have become pregnant without his support.

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ChildOfThe1980s · 09/06/2012 21:04

I do not condone cheating and would be heartbroken if I was cheated on but...

I do not judge you because everyone has sinned and it's certainly not my place to say that I am a better person than you. I do think that you need to forgive yourself though, and stop feeling guilty.

Rowanhart · 09/06/2012 22:51

Wow there are some judgemental people on here.

Life is complicated. Sometimes we find ourselves behaving in ways we don't expect.

I was with my now ex partner from 20 to 27 and I too had an affair. It's not something I'm proud of but it's also not something I regret. The affair finally made me leave a relationship I was very unhappy in.

My ex stopped having sex with me two years in to our relationship. This coincided with my career really taking off and outstripping his. I don't think it was malicious, just based on insecurity.

He was (and is) a lovely man and I loved him to bits, which made it even more heartbreaking. On paper we were a perfect couple and were really good friends. But as he became more physically withdrawn my confidence took more and more of a knock.

After two years-and sex only once- I had an affair. I met someone through work who made me feel, for want of a better word, sexy - something that was really lacking. My confidence was at an all time low and it gave me a boost.

I came home the day after and confessed all. The ex was heartbroken, as was I. He begged me not to leave him (I'd tried several times before and couldn't cope seeing him distressed.) We stayed together, he became more depressed and in the end I couldn't cope seeing what I'd done to him. The truth was I'd completely demasculated a man who needed to be needed to be the man of the house. I never needed him enough. After another couple of years of turning each other inside out we let each other go.

Six weeks later I met dh and we've been together nearly five years now and are expecting a baby. It was quick but I couldn't be happier. DH says my success is something which makes him really proud and me even sexier. Which still gives me a little boost.

The ex met someone about a year after we split up and within another year had a baby with her. It hurt at first-why could he have sex with her and not me?They seem happy too -much happier than we made eachother. She's a stay at home mum and he gets to be this breadwinner which is exactly what he needs.

I know I've gone on a bit but hope this too makes people realise not all affairs are black and white. I didn't feel able to leave ex as he was dependent on me for happiness and I loved him. I didn't want to hurt him. The whole situation was really hurtful on all sides and I'm still truly sorry for my part in causing pain.

Yes in an ideal world we would all end one relationship before moving on to the next. But this isn't an ideal world. Let she who is without sin and all that...

landphil · 10/06/2012 00:44

You didn't behave appallingly.
In some cases , like yours, cheating is good.
Best of luck x

Abitwobblynow · 10/06/2012 11:41

Well, cheating is never good, Land; but some affairs are exit affairs.

Regarding question no. 2 about red flags: Maya Angelou has a saying: 'when someone tells you who they are, believe them'. (I am in the shit now because my H told me who he was, and I didnt' believe him/came from a place where that was normal).

So whilst you were students, H would have given you important information that danger was ahead.

The fact that he was divorced with 2 children was a complication and message for instance, which you ignored/chose in favour of the nice guy in the corner who showed interest in you but you decided was too boring (emotional health comes across as boring to those of us who are not emotionally healthy).
Next issue: his wife was a heavy drinker. So that is a big red flag: it was telling you he has co-dependent/abuse issues. [But when we dont' understand what we are being told, we don't anticipate the sh*t that will pan out sure as eggs are eggs in the future].
Next red flag: his attitude to sex. When did that pop up?
Next one: the frankly damaged little boy you had to eventually meet. Children are not born damaged they ARE damaged (a verb). Or did you just blame the wife?
When did he lie to you for the first time? When did he let you down? When did he do something nasty and tell you you caused it/made you forget that anomaly with fantastic makeup sex?

All red flags (warnings of life difficulties ahead) we wilfully ignore and forge blindly on in hope, trust and love.

Abitwobblynow · 10/06/2012 11:55

Sorry Polly that was very direct to tell you the outcome was there at the beginning and I apologise; this stuff normally takes years of counselling for these things to be able to face so sorry to a lovely person.

But my point is that we are not helpless little passive non-actors who just 'happen to have stuff happen', even OW: we CHOOSE these things, often for complicated reasons very hidden to us. We do it because we are trying to heal something.

And because of this we must forgive ourselves and know that it all happened for a reason as we work out who we are and what it is we want [how do we get there and what will we settle for].

Growlithe · 10/06/2012 12:07

Glad your life is going good now.

I wonder why you were ever married to him though.

He told you very early in the relationship he didn't want any more children (and seemed to already have his hands full with those he already had). You did. Seems an obvious time to get out.

He pissed around about getting married. You presumably knew you weren't sexually compatible by this time. Why did you marry him?

They were your choices. You cannot blame him years down the line for being the man you knew he always was.

Pollykitten · 10/06/2012 12:20

It's all gone a bit therapy-speak for me... we got on like a house on fire and were really close, that's why we were together. All couples have issues to tackle together and we tried to address them, like the issue of having children for example. I didn't seek him out to heal my emotional wounds or anything. His ex-wife's drinking didn't develop for several years. The boy was, in my opinion, a troubled individual from tiny, made worse by his parents splitting up and his troubled mum and other issues. I'm afraid I don't buy the 100% nurture argument, any more than I buy the 100% nature position. I think there is a fair bit of projecting going on here. And just to be clear, I don't blame him for my affair, that was my responsibility.

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Pollykitten · 10/06/2012 12:22

I think life and relationships would be a bit sad if we all just walked off the minute someone didn't measure up to all our standards and expectations.

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Pollykitten · 10/06/2012 12:31

And for the record, I am emotionally healthy! As in I know who I am, my strengths and weaknesses, I form loving bonds with friends, family and partners, I don't hate myself, or my body, or blame anyone for the things that haven't gone well. I am very private in RL and can put a good face on anything, but that's about as repressed and buttoned up as I get.... I get low and sad at times (such as current miscarriage) but I am basically and optimist and believe in working hard to create the life you want. One of the reasons an affair is so destroying for all concerned is it is a time when life is not being lived with integrity. I have sought to restore integrity to my life.

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Aliceinthelookingglass · 10/06/2012 13:30

I realy don't see why this is such a big deal to anyone.

IME relationships break up in one of two ways- one party walks away alone, or one party walks away to be with someone else they have met whilst still in the relationship, albeit biding their time ( often because of money or children) and not especially happy.

I do understand the tribe who say leave one relationship before beginning something else. BUT- life is often not so simple.

Whether people condone it or not, sometimes meeting someone else gives a person the push they need to get out of a stale, or abusive, or dead relationship.

It's hurtful of course to the person left behind- but it's not a hanging offence.

To expect human beings to always live by some rational "rule book" where weakness, fallibility and emotions are not part of behaviour, is naive IMO.

I'm afraid- and flame me if you want- that those people who condemn "cheating"- a horrible Americanism if ever there was one- have never walked in the shoes of anyone who has been unhappy and fallen for someone else- and also lack the compassion to understand it.

I hope Polly you are happy now and that baby arrives.

TDada · 10/06/2012 13:57

My first thoughts are in relation to your recent loss/miscarriage. I hope that you find satisfaction/peace in this area of your life. Your exH contributed to the climate that caused the affair...so he must take a little of the blame. Good to hear that you are now happy as some aspects of your relationship with your exH sound possibly emotionally abusive. Best wishes

lazarusb · 10/06/2012 15:54

I'm with Alice. I was in an abusive relationship which I never thought I would find the strength to leave- and God knows I tried. I met the right person at the wrong time but he gave me what I needed to get out and stay out. We've been together and happy ever since. As for my ex, I think I hurt his pride but nothing more.

Pollykitten · 10/06/2012 16:03

thank you Alice TDada and Laza for the supportive comments... also very good to know that other people leave and find lasting happiness.

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