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Advice on DH. Can't put my finger on it.

128 replies

eyesopen · 17/05/2012 18:42

Hi there Mumsnetters

I just wondered if I could get some advice about my DH. Longish story so sorry. I met my DH over ten years ago through mutual friends. I had been warned off of him as he was a bit of a ladies man so initially we were just friends and we would see each other at the pub or at BBQs etc. One evening we got chatting and I realised we had a lot in common. He's quite a outdoorsy sort of guy, very charming and funny and I love any active sports so one weekend we went on a really long walk together and lunch and I ended up staying over at his flat. You can guess the rest! Long story short - we ended up going out together but I always had the feeling he maybe saw other women just on the side. Nothing proved. After dating for a year, he announced that he was moving jobs and was going to live abroad and would I like to join him. I was initially very excited but then felt daunted that I would miss my friends and family. We ended up being away for 18 months, I wasn't particularly happy but I was with him so and before we returned home he proposed and said he couldn't imagine life without me! We moved back to the UK and nearer to my family, I was having visions of us spending lots of time together but he was always away with work, on trips, seminars etc and I started to feel pretty lonely. Added to this after our wedding we had problems getting pregnant and I felt like DH blamed me. He said that I took all the romance and fun out of trying and sometimes this made him feel unsexy and his words "a sperm donor".
After trying for 2 years I got pregnant and we now have a much-wanted DD aged 1. The main problem is this, we don't have sex anymore and haven't since I got pregnant. Intially I was happy to have sex but my DH said the thought of the baby was off-putting. (??) Knowing that my husband has been highly sexed and has slept with a lot of women I am wondering whether he is seeing someone else. He doesn't seem unhappy anymore, but before when we weren't doing it he seemed snappy and annoyed at me. As most people know here, babies can be a real passion killer and after I gave birth my body and intimate areas felt very different. Always been trim, enjoyed sex but these days I feel tired, old and fat. I don't want my DH to think I don't trust him but I have this niggly feeling that I'm sharing him with somebody else. Also when we were first seeing each other he said he had slept with 'about 30' women but then a friend that knew him before we were together said it was 'closer to 100'. Any advice much appreciated.

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TheHappyHissy · 20/05/2012 18:51

He's guilt tripping you, blaming you for everything and gaslighting to boot.

only working hard to provide for you... Hmm

His behaviour is all about him, not you. What a prize nob.

MadAboutHotChoc · 20/05/2012 19:00

Right, he has told you that:

  • he does not fancy you and does not want sex with you again

  • he is busy working and that he does not see this changing

  • he does not want more children

  • he is snobby, says that non private schools are full of chavs

  • he refuses to go to counselling

  • the "Let's leave it at that" comment shows that he won't do anything

  • he has chosen to spend his spare time playing tennis instead of with you and his DD

  • he resents you having DD as he thinks you 'ignored him' afterwards and that you should just accept that our relationship is in another phase

The last bit is really revealing - he just wants you to shut the fuck up and put up with it.

He sounds like a real wanker, sorry Sad

captainmummy · 20/05/2012 19:13

Don't think he sounds like a 'knob,arsehole,wanker' - i think he has a nice comfy life as it is, doesnt want it to change, and is perfectly happy to make excuses (dd's birth, your 'ignoring him', his 'working hard') to carry on with his life as he wants it.

Whether that means he's continuing with his sexlife elsewhere i think you'd know.

stuffitunderthebed · 20/05/2012 19:53

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lubeybooby · 20/05/2012 20:00

Classic madonna/whore complex. He has you on 'mother' pedestal so that leaves a vacancy for the other.... and i don't believe he has just stopped being sexual at all.

I'm sorry OP. I don't think he is being honest with you, apart in little bits and pieces maybe.

and it is NOT your fault, you had to give birth, and have given him a child, and it sounds like he may have always, always had this complex. You are the nice pure wife material and always have been.

Nyac · 20/05/2012 20:33

One thing I would say about what you've said OP, is that you seem to have a fairly low opinion of the other women he's slept with. You don't seem to see them as people, but rather "floozies" as you put it, and you feel that you're somehow special because he picked you above them.

The question I'd be asking is why don't you have a judgement about a man who treats women like this. He's a "floozie" too after all, so why do you feel special that someone like that chose you?

eyesopen · 20/05/2012 22:41

Sorry I shouldn't have called DH old girlfriends floozies. You're right I don't know who they are.

Anyway DH returned and I said did he fancy going away maybe over the summer just us, without DD so we could have some time together. He said he'd see if there was a quiet time so he could take a Friday and Monday off.

Perhaps we just need a period of adjustment and I should stop being paranoid.

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AnyFucker · 20/05/2012 22:44

I always feel very, very uncomfortable when selfish twats like the one described here get rewarded with quality, child-free holidays where their long-suffering wives bend over backwards to prove what a "good" wife they are Sad

solidgoldbrass · 20/05/2012 22:51

OK, the fact that you were brought up to believe that you have no power, that it is your duty to put up with any old crap just to Keep Your Man, explains why you are letting this particular one walk all over you. But you don't have to carry on like this. You can decide that enough is enough and get rid of him. Because your choice is either to get rid of him or to decide that the status of being His Wife is enough of a reward to make it worthwhile spending your life as domestic appliance and childcarer for him. There is NO Option C, a way of making him love you and commit to you properly.

eyesopen · 20/05/2012 22:54

I'm just trying to see if I can save my marriage before it hits the rocks.

Perhaps some time alone would be good for us. I've asked my mum if she can take DD for me so that's not a problem.

I don't want my dh to see me as some asexual glorified flat mate.

I'm hoping we can talk some more this week and hopefully have supper in the garden if the weather is getting better.

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Nyac · 20/05/2012 23:05

I think the point I'm trying to make is that you feel special and singled out by him, and you really shouldn't. Because he doesn't sound that special for all sorts of reasons.

bringbacksideburns · 20/05/2012 23:20

He has a very weird attitude to watching you give birth. Calling it 'Horrifying.' It should have been one of the proudest and most exciting times of his life. My dh said he had a new found respect for me when i'd given birth - realised how amazing it was, cut the cord etc

He sounds like a very controlling teenager.
Good luck with your talk.

eyesopen · 20/05/2012 23:43

This is what I said to him. That I thought he felt proud and excited to be there. He replied that a lot of guys (by this I think he's means friends/colleagues) say they found it amazing/fulfilling etc but actually find it traumatic and I shouldn't have pushed him into doing it. He said he had no idea it would be that bad and would never want to witness it again.

Added to that he said nobody had prepared him for the effect dd had on our previously calm happy house where he was getting little sleep. ( well he is now he's sleeping in the spare room :( he said that I had changed and constantly ignored him.

I thought this is what he wanted. He chose to be in the spare room after he said it was affecting his work.

What does he expect me to do ship our 1 year old off to Boarding school for the next 17 years. Grrrrrrrr!

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solidgoldbrass · 20/05/2012 23:52

I am utterly boggled about why you would want to hang on to such a self-obsessed, whining tosser as him.

eyesopen · 20/05/2012 23:57

I guess because I love him and I feel perhaps I hadn't talked through enough the change in life DD would bring.

Reading some threads on mn I feel quite fortunate that my problems seem to be lack of communication and a lack of sex

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eyesopen · 20/05/2012 23:58

And perhaps an ow... Although I'm not so sure now. He's reassured me that's not the case.

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Nyac · 21/05/2012 00:02

How would you know any better than him how different life would be with a baby? You're both adults. Adults can work these things out for themselves.

You seem to be repeating your mother's marriage or at least the insecurities of it. It's beyond awful that your father had an affair whilst she was pregnant with you. Marriage vows do mean something. If people don't mean them they shouldn't take them.

Also, you should look for his secret phone. Sorry.

eyesopen · 21/05/2012 00:07

Where do men keep secret phones? Should I look in his car? Glove box?
I doubt he would bring it into our home...
Help me out mntters

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eyesopen · 21/05/2012 00:07

If he has a secret phone.

Oh god

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garlicfucker · 21/05/2012 00:11

You sound awfully sweet, eyesopen. Supper in the garden will be nice if the weather remembers it's late May, yes. As a response to your husband's shattering revelations about how he sees you, it's poignantly sad. The poignancy is because you're attempting to heal the wound by fulfilling the stereotype inflicted on you.

Well done for broaching the subject, by the way. I bet you're wishing you hadn't but, well, you were feeling torn up so the façade was already cracking.

OK, so. What he's said is (to paraphrase):-

~ He only thinks of a vagina as a sex organ for a man to push things in.
~ When a woman pushes something out (his baby), it is no longer a sex organ.
~ Thus, the mother of his child cannot be sexual.

~ The role of Wife and Mother is different from that of Woman.

~ He loves you as a Wife and Mother.
~ This appears to be a different kind of love from what he feels for sexual women.
~ The love he had for you before pregnancy may be different again.

~ He is not interested in changing your relationship.
~ He refuses to consider your body sexual, as it's now given birth.
~ You can like it or lump it.

That last point actually has a third part: the expression is "Like it, lump it or leave it." I thought it worth reminding you, as he seems to have forgotten!

The above is depressing, but not the end of the world. An intelligent and accomplished woman, such as yourself, has options. They include:

  1. Resign yourself to serene chastity, rather like the stereotypical Edwardian lady.
  2. Have passionate, secret affairs while appearing chaste, rather like Lady Chatterly.
  3. Resolve to set yourself free, and plan your divorce as meticulously as you plan your suppers.

Option 4 - keep railing at an immovable obstacle - is unwise. It will make you very unhappy and tarnish DD's emotional background.

There is no Option 5. He's just told you he won't change. That was honest. He'll despise your efforts to change him, and you will fail.

Please reconsider the Edwardian lady. She had to wear bloody stupid clothes but, otherwise, her life wasn't as dull as it looks. Between flower arrangements she was adventurously active, passionately political and serially unfaithful. She fulfilled the duties your H expects of you most admirably. Like a swan, she sailed smoothly on the glossy surface of her life while churning the waters underneath!

This seems to be the model your mother anachronistically adopted.

If you can't face it - I suspect you can't; you want, quite reasonably, to be appreciated for the whole person you are instead of A Role - I strongly recommend Option 3.

How are you feeling? Depressed, determined, scared, or what?

garlicfucker · 21/05/2012 00:12

Huge xpost! It'll take ages to catch up Grin

Nyac · 21/05/2012 00:14

I should have said a secret phone probably, not his, as if it's a done deal.

The thing is eyesopen, it's fairly rare (not sure if I've ever seen it) for a woman to come to the Relationships board and talk about suspicions about her dh and then find they are unfounded. Usually more comes out. This time at the very least you are learning about some very unjustified negative feelings he has towards you because you've pressed things. I'm sorry you're having to deal with this.

eyesopen · 21/05/2012 00:20

thank you garlic brilliant advice and made me smile

I feel kind of frustrated in a way but sort of optimistic that DH is at least opening up to me. Even though the things he's saying are shocking and I'll admit hurtful. I also realise he sounds like an arrogant spoilt child.

I have thought what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander but could I stoop to that?

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quiplite · 21/05/2012 00:21

Hmmmm. Now, I'm not arguing with the general 'arsehole' assessment. I think that's fair.

BUT... he told you that he was traumatised by seeing you give birth. Well, that happens. It IS traumatic for many people, male and female. I think that's completely valid.

He didn't realise what it would be like having a child (is he an idiot??), and now he doesn't want anymore. Not wanting another child is, once again, a fair enough reaction. (The chav comment goes back to the 'arsehole' thing, once again.)

He's having a hard time reconciling you as mother with you as You. That's because he's an arsehole. Sorry, no excuse for that one, really.

There's nothing wrong with playing tennis, or with working overtime to further your career. Only you know if he's just checking out of family life.

Assuming he's NOT having an affair (big, big assumption), I think he's been devastatingly honest with you, OP. He's told you who he is, and what he wants (and doesn't), and now it's up to you to decide.

eyesopen · 21/05/2012 00:22

If I had proof he was seeing somebody else I would at least have a "real reason" to move on.

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