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DH is in a mess....this is long!

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overandunder · 03/05/2012 10:36

DH hit me with a bombshell recently - he loves me, but basically isn't in love with me - or something along those lines.

Now, a bit of background info....

We recently had DD2 (6 months ago) - she was the baby we thought we'd never have, after a series of mc's. We had to get treatment for this, and we are so lucky to have her.

DH has a job that involves working away - it as been particularly stressful for the past year, and he has also had hideous dental problems, a bout of shingles 3 weeks after DD was born and his dad has recently been ill.

We have been married for coming up to 11 years, and been together for 14. We celebrated our 10th anniversary whilst I was heavily pregnant last year with a lovely break at a beautiful hotel, and he bought me a gorgeous bracelet too.

I turned 40 in Jan, and he surprised me with a trip to NYC - he did this fantastic treasure hunt around the house, and I cried when I discovered the gift at the end - I just didn't expect it.

We have had our ups and downs like any long relationship, but we've always been good at communicating, and worked through them. I have had problem with depression - due to mc's and other difficult things - and he's supported me throughout.

I think that I've had my head down and just been focusing on getting through the newborn phase, and maybe I haven't been supporting him enough. I can be snappy at times, but I am in no way a complete cow.

He is up for going to Relate and we start seeing someone in a week. He says that he's lost respect for me, and I can see that all he's doing is looking at the bad stuff. I know from my MH issues that this is what you do when you are struggling and stressed.

I gently suggested that he needs to take time off work on the phone last night - he didn't really acknowledge this, and I know that we need to sit down and discuss it. The problem is that he is self-employed and the main breadwinner, and probably sees this as not possible. I have found myself looking at jobs this morning to see if I can get a job - it's a bit tricky as I used to be an FE lecturer in Textiles and the jobs are hard to come by. Also, they don't pay anywhere near as much as DH's salary.

I suspect that someone will come on here and start blathering about him having an affair as there's always one on most relationship threads that I've read! He unequivocally is NOT, so please don't come on and suggest this. There is absolutely nothing in his behaviour that has me worried about this (although I have thought about it, as I think it is only natural to go down that thought pattern).

My DH has always been an incredibly loyal, kind and considerate man and I love him with all my heart. The stress of this has had me taking painkillers to get through it - not ideal, but a short term fix for those really bad days. I am prepared to fight for my marriage and he does want to work on it too, but it hurts me so much to know that he feels like this about me.

His mum came over last night as I was upset, and she thinks that he is in a mess. She is planning to phone him tonight, and she's very gentle and will hopefully get him to admit that he needs time off from work.

I bought him a spa day for his bday recently as I know he's been stressed - I also have been doing more around the house to try to take the pressure off him. I sent him back to work with a survival pack before this happened too, so he knew that we were thinking about him - he was touched, and appreciated this.

I phoned him a couple of weeks ago on his way home from work in a mess - I'd hit the vodka, and was suffering with raging PMT, and just ranted down the phone at him. He called back straight away and told me he'd had an epiphany at work that day when he told someone to Fuck off - he realised that the job is fucking him up. I think he's dismissing that this week, as he's having a bad week and being all pessimistic again.

Sorry this is a long post - I was hoping for some constructive advice, or maybe something from someone who has been through a similar thing. I feel like I am going slowly mad and my whole world has been turned upside down. I also feel like maybe I have been really inconsiderate and not been looking out for him - but the last 18 months have been all about the pregnancy and the baby - I've just had my head down.

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kittycatwoman · 03/05/2012 10:41

I am unable to help much but I am suspecting that he is seeing someone else much younger. Its just a suspicion.

saturdaygirl · 03/05/2012 12:04

kittycatwoman, how very helpful, how the hell do you come to that conclusion from the above post.

overandunder, sorry I have no advise for you was just furious to see kittycatwoman's response.

however, it does sound as if maybe you dh is stressed or overwhelmed? I wish you all the best.

CailinDana · 03/05/2012 12:09

I don't think you should blame yourself for not supporting your DH enough. You have a very young baby and it's normal and natural that she should take up the vast majority of your time and energy.

It does sound like your DH is depressed. It's good that he's willing to go to counselling. If you're both open and honest it could help a whole lot.

FWIW you sound like a lovely couple and I really hope it works out for you.

MadAboutHotChoc · 03/05/2012 12:13

I really do hope there is no OW, but how do you know that the reason he is not in love with you is because his emotions are engaged elsewhere?

Is he transparent with his emails/mobile/laptop etc? I would do some snooping around. Until you are 100% sure, its very hard knowing how to deal with this bombshell.

He does sound stressed, but this could be because he is leading a double life, I remember how stressed out my H was and how worried I was, thinking it was work related.

Proudnscary · 03/05/2012 12:15

The reason people come and 'blather' on here about men having an affair (I think that's quite a rude thing to say when many women on here give a lot of time and care into helping others and have done wonders - god this board gets a bad press!) when they present a similar OP to yours is because, unfortunately, it is often the truth when a man suddenly 'falls out of love'.

In real life I had two friends who would have sworn on their lives their dh's were not cheating - both men were.

That said, it does sound like there are loads of stresses in your lives and your dh might be depressed - and it is very encouraging that he wants to go to Relate.

I'm sorry you going through this.

kittycatwoman · 03/05/2012 12:17

saturdaygirl, you can keep your furiosity to yourself. I have real life experience in men behaving like this and its based off that I replied.

Loonybun · 03/05/2012 12:22

This is a horrible situation to be in but I think you are in danger of being overly sympathetic towards him and blaming yourself too much in the process. So you've had depression and been through some rough times - its not a reason to fall out of love with someone.

It sounds like you're both suffering with stress, some time off work and going to relate (its good that he's willing to go) might pull it back.

But don't let it drag out for ages with him faffing around doing the "love yoou but not in love" thing. Its soul destroying. If it goes on too long get him to move out, have a break and see what happens next.

Good luck.

skyebluesapphire · 03/05/2012 12:22

I'm going through a similar thing with my husband , I think it's all stress related but he won't talk to me. He has been talking to his friends wife but I am certain that nothing is going on there. He is staying with them, and I think he has just latched on to their life to forget his own.., he refuses to go to Relate as says no point as we have been over everything.. We are going out on Saturday which will be difficult but we need to see if he does have any feelings left. I just bought a great book called I Love You Z it Im not I'm Love with you. It's recommended by Relate and is very good

EldritchCleavage · 03/05/2012 12:23

Do you think that generally, you have always supported him, especially emotionally, and now there is a child to look after your DH has not adjusted to having less of that kind of attention from you?
Just thinking about the anniversary and birthday presents, that kind of lovely romantic thing really feeds a relationship, but when a child comes along, a lot of life is hard grind and chores and you have to learn to sustain the loving relationship in a different way.

skyebluesapphire · 03/05/2012 12:23

Stupid phone, that should say book is I Love You But I'm Not In Love With You

overandunder · 03/05/2012 12:40

I really appreciate that some people may have been through their OH being unfaithful and I'm sorry for that, but I just bloody knew that someone would come on and immediately assume the worst! Not all men go from one relationship to another, or have affairs FFS......in fact, out of my circle of friends/acquaintances, it has been the women who have strayed.

Trust me when I said, he is ABSOLUTELY not having an affair........he is a man who is under ALOT of stress, and I know him, you don't. He is completely transparent and I've had experience of someone being unfaithful, and there is no way that he is.

Saturdaygirl - thank-you for being rational.

And quite frankly, I'm not surprised this board gets a bad press, as there's ALWAYS the assumption that someone is being unfaithful.

I don't know why I bloody bothered to put up this post - now I'm friggin madly angry!

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kittycatwoman · 03/05/2012 12:45

How can you be so sure that he is ABSOLUTELY not having an affair ? Have you had some stealth camera set on him ? I know you want to avoid thinking the worst but your DH behaviour is classic symptom of another affair. Update this thread when you eventually find out.

overandunder · 03/05/2012 12:50

And to reply to people giving constructive advice.......

I guess he's always been more supportive of me, and we do tend to get a bit rocky not long after babies are born - but he was in a very stressful job before with DD1, so it's probably a combination of things. I think maybe I haven't been able to support him as much as I should have.

Skye - I have that book, and it makes alot of sense...

He doesn't entirely blame me, and I know that he feels dreadful for what he's doing to my head - he genuinely worries about it, and I pushed him to make him open up about this. He probably wouldn't have said anything, but I knew he wasn't himself.

I know that I can't hang around forever if this continues, and I have alot of faith in Relate helping out.

God, I feel such a bitch ranting before....

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AThingInYourLife · 03/05/2012 12:52

Why are you so angry?

You've had some pretty supportive replies, most of which didn't refer to infidelity.

badtasteflump · 03/05/2012 12:53

OP just wanted to say that I'm sorry you're having a shit time of it ATM. And it pisses me off too that quite often people post on here looking for a bit of support and just end up getting a pasting by women whos partners have cheated and are looking to vent....

What strikes me about your opening post is that you need help and support as much as your H. Yes he's clearly suffering from stress, but so are you. When it gets to the point that you're reaching for the painkillers and vodka to numb it all, you need to get some help for you.

For you as a couple, I would say its very positive that your H wants to try counselling. But also I think you should (and he should) talk to your doctors separately about the stress you're experiencing - at the very least so that he can prescribe something to help you without having to resort to painkillers.

It must be so painful to hear that your usually lovely H isn't in love with you. But it could be his depression & anxiety talking. Often people with D&A withdraw into themselves and 'cut off' their feelings, and that could be what he's experiencing.

I hope you manage to go forward together at the end of all this somehow Smile

badtasteflump · 03/05/2012 12:54

Kittycatwoman that wasn't a very nice post Hmm I thought we were supposed to leave the attacks in AIBU and use the relationship threads for support!

AThingInYourLife · 03/05/2012 12:57

What does he mean by having lost respect for you?

Losing the sense of being in love when stressed out, I can see.

But to lose respect for someone is something else entirely.

That isn't "I love you but I'm not in love with you", it's "you aren't behaving as I think you should and I despise you for it."

TheHouseOnTheCorner · 03/05/2012 12:59

His job sound like a major factor. My DH has just left a job he hated...he's now on much less money and I have to get the buss to school 4 times a day and wear charity shop clothes BUT we are SO much happier.

I dont think he's having an affair...I would know if my DH was...so I know what you mean when you say you know he's not. Some couples are very close...and some people can't fathom that.

I think you're right to suggest a break from work or even better a change of job. Dont go panicking and lookin for work yourself...DDs only 6 months.

Proudnscary · 03/05/2012 12:59

Oh for god's sake people aren't saying it could be affair to be dramatic/hurtful/mean!! They are saying it because of their own experiences and the initial stages/presentation before an affair is often very similar to OP's!

If you look back on all the threads where an OP said dh 'has fallen out of love' and it DID turn out to be an affair no matter how hard they protested then maybe you wouldn't take that view.

I have no idea if OP's dh is or isn't but it's a possiblity. I really hope not. As does everyone else! Sorry about all the hi jacks OP.

overandunder · 03/05/2012 13:00

kittycatwoman - oh, just go away.......If you can't see that someone can be stressed out with life, and not fall into bed with someone else at the slightest sniff of trouble, then I''m sorry for you. Believe it or not, there are men out there who have integrity and aren't governed by an overwhelming urge to shag the nearest available female.....

Oh blimey, I think I find myself in my first bunfight.....

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TheHouseOnTheCorner · 03/05/2012 13:01

athing no it's not...he never said he despised her.

Sallyingforth · 03/05/2012 13:05

"He is up for going to Relate and we start seeing someone in a week."

That doesn't sound to me like someone having a bit on the side. It sounds like someone who accepts there is a problem and is willing to try and sort it.

Good luck to you both!

overandunder · 03/05/2012 13:06

And I really do appreciate that there has been some lovely, helpful advice on here - I hadn't seen the other posts before i ranted....I have looked at other posts before, and I know that alot of people do end up finding out about affairs - I wouldn't want to devalue what they've been through.

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mummytime · 03/05/2012 13:08

Sorry but two thing: why are you reacting so angrily to posters who suggest your DH is having an affair?
Second, "I love you but am not in love with you" is from the classic adulterers script. If you didn't see that immediately, have you been on MN much.
BTW most men do seem to operate from a script.

overandunder · 03/05/2012 13:08

he is keen to sort things out - and no, he doesn't despise me - he's very, very confused and overloaded.

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