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Welcome!

sleep - what's confusing then ? do you mean she says it ironically? see, she's gettinbg her head around the fact that she could have a GIRLfriend, still prefers to call you a BF ha. old habits you know.

Thanks Polly. I may chicken out yet!

And I didn't ask her out! unless you include the one time about 16 months ago.

polly, she suggested a drink, but remember how hard it was to pin her down? if it wasn't for your efforts reminding her and asking for time and day it might not have happened. And there was a curt email in the process for which you told her off, rightly, maybe she felt guilty or felt reassured when you said you had no agenda. Before that she was elusive, and you wondered why did she ask you out but not followe through.
Well, that's all new info (but still not enough to jump to conclusions) - you said she just touched your leg. Sitting close is normal in a loud place - I do this with friends/relatives. There was at least one drink involved i assume, so less inhibited. Kisses you didn't mention - you mean just a good buy? but didn't give you a lift. Arm stroking also new - in what way was that done? this all can be friendly depending on how it's done (and she IS massage therapist, could be trying to be soothing as prob saw you were on edge a bit).

I wasn't on edge! Not by that point anyway. I'd had a couple of spirits and she'd had a glass of wine. She just stroked my upper arm for a bit and squeezed my leg - I did mention that in an earlier post. Yes she kissed me goodbye twice.

Yes, I'm not surprised we sat close, the music was quite loud, but she could've sat knee-to-knee, instead she sat side on so we were sort of cheek-to-cheek and she was 'propped' against me.

if there is anything there, any curiousity, she would suggest another meeting very soon - can't see why you need to do anything. But if she is slow or leaves it all to you, then why try again? and as Loveis and myself said, you could do anoter meeting with a lot of drinking if you really need to or want to, but then that's her one chance to confess to curiosity if she had any. Trust me that if she was thinking or feeling anything, she'd confess when drunk. If not - just leave her be as you'll only get miserable with constant efforts. Some people can NOT be turned.

crushing don't you dare!

I don't know, she tells me that she feels like she is in a relationship with me, that she loves me, etc but is also excited about her date on Friday too. I just don't know what she wants from me

fwiw sod all I would find sleepless's situation much harder to deal with.

In mean inasmuchas it's become so intense so quickly, but there's still (at least as I'm reading it) an element of doubt regarding WIQ's real feelings.

Sorry I don't mean to rain on your parade sleepless but after everything she's said to you today she's still going on a date and looking forward to it?

Likea - in response to your posts (haven't had a chance to read all since), I too was encouraging Sleep not to shut the door on her WIQ so we were in agreement there. In regards to Polly, no one goes out for a drink because they feel guilty. I think Polly's WIQ is curious because she knew Polly fancied her and still went out for a drink and she was the one who instigated a drink in the first place. You wouldn't go out with a man who fancied you (and didn't want to encourage) unless there was some iota of curiosity would you? The WIQ sounded like she was quite affectionate which you also wouldn't do if you didn't want to give the other person the wrong idea. I don't get the impression that Polly is either vulnerable or trying hard to please her WIQ but that's just my take on it. Yours might be very different and fair enough. I don't think she can "keep seeing" her WIQ as she is so damn hard to pin down anyway. Lucky if she gets to see her once in a while and if there is any train involved it seems quite a slow one to me. It's impossible to hypothesise about the situation really as none of us were there and only Polly can tell whether there is a true vibe or if there's hope or not. All I can say is I never thought I would fall for a woman so you (plural) just can't predict these things.

Hi Loveis yes it comes back to the bloody vibe thing again As I said in an earlier post, I'm not hoping against hope to see something that really isn't there. I really thought we would go for a friendly drink, bit of a chat/laugh, I'd feel relieved that we got on, and that would be it. But I definitely got a vibe off her, despite being really cautious not to be 'all over' her. I can't understand or explain it, but I felt something. And I'm baffled. And yes, a bit worried because I liked her more than I thought. But I really don't feel vulnerable, and I'm certainly not out to please her.

Yes, she is still looking forward to the date and reading the texts out to me, getting me to plan her outfit with her etc and saying she hopes it goes well.

Whilst at the same time saying all the other stuff to me.

I am patient but I don't like being led on or messed about, I can understand her being unsure or nervous and that's fine and im not in any rush but i don't know how I am supposed to respond or what I'm meant to think.

I will just have to ask her.

Yes I think you need to sleepless (and you're a damn sight braver at that sort of thing than me!)

Evening all!

Sounds like you need to ask for clarification, sleepless. Could you and she be interpreting what she has said/done in very different ways?

Interesting article on Autostraddle in response to that eyebrow-raising Guardian piece by Staceyann Chin. She kind of says what I wasn't articulate enough to say.

polly, your WIQ sounds like a sweetie. Bit jealous Seems like she has acknowledged to herself there is something there but had decided not to pursue it, which is why you are getting The Vibes yet sensing she is not going to, you know, go there?

good evening Hep

I don't know! I'm just starting to wish she'd never said those fateful words 'we'll go for that drink' a few weeks ago. I was happily pootling through life, not thinking about her much at all and then bugger me....

I'm putting the kettle on and making Tea. Anyone for a cuppa? And (she says channelling Kathy Burke) I am 'avin' a faaag. Capstan full strength, natch.

I'll have a cup of tea. Strong lesbian tea. The sort that repels straight women.

I'll have a cup of strong lesbian tea too please, and a virtual fag since I've been so good at resisting the real ones. Damn near inhaled my pen earlier.

And would you like a little biccie with that?

Gay I am starting to get the impression that Likea thinks I am barking well and truly up the wrong tree.

I don't know what to think anymore

I do wish we could all meet up for a drink IRL.

crushing that was very funny.

I'd like a big fat biscuit please.

I've had some cake so no biccies for me thanks.

Milk, no sugar. Ta.

Polly, you should have seen me at work having a drag of my pen...in fact, I hope no one else did!

just because you've had cake doesn't mean you can't have a biccie too.....ah go on, go on, go on, go on....

A big fat biscuit? Hmm I could do you a coconut macaroon?