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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Staying Springy In Their Quest For Sobriety.

999 replies

Mouseface · 16/04/2012 12:32

Hello, I'm Mouse Smile I have an shockingly abusive relationship with alcohol, mainly vodka.

This Bus is full of drinkers, non-drinkers, thinkers and Babes, all trying to find their way to a happy, sober life.

Some are there, some are almost there and some are not. It really doesn't matter, we're all in this together.

Why not find a seat? Everyone is welcome, drinking or drunk, come and say hello. Smile

HERE is the previous thread, with a link to all of the other wonderful journeys so far............

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MsGee · 26/04/2012 06:55

Morning. Am v glad I didn't drink last night, thank you all

Guess what ... The sun is shining Smile

Today I will not be drinking (unlike mouse and Faire with their amazing willpower I will be eating crap though ... How do you manage it?)

TheBossofMe · 26/04/2012 07:45

Morning Ms Gee - glad the sun is shining and you are feeling good. Its always lovely when you wake up feeling gently positive.

Today I have fallen off the diet wagon a bit:

Breakfast = 2x MCDonalds hashbrown
Lunch = chilli prawns with steamed rice
Snack = ice cream

And i'm going out for dinner.

Back on again tomorrow.

RainQueen · 26/04/2012 07:52

Day 7 here

I have just googled HALT. It rings so true for me. I drink straight after the school run from 4 because I am lonely and bored. When I walk through the door I am on my own with 4 DCs (who are 2,3,4 and 5). They are tired and hungry and irritable and I have to get some tea made and them bathed and to bed and the whole process is so daunting on my own. My DH works away a lot. I have been m aking things feel better by drinking.

I know I need to replace the drink with something else to get through this time but I am so restricted because I have 4 DCs clammouring for attention and tea to cook etc so I can't leave the house for a walk. Not too sure what the answer is but if anyone has any ideas.... Interestingly, when I am working late I don't think about a drink.

MsGee I second the bedtime, repeat, silence routine. It is hard at the time. I would set aside 2 nights where you are in a good frame of mind and have no other work to do. When I did it with mine, I got a good book, sat on the landing and everytime they got out of bed I returned. After 2 nights they went to bed and slept with no messing. I think with anything like that (taking dummy etc) you have to be in the right frame of mind and have no other commitments. That way you won't feel angry or give in. I think it is worse to try and give in than wait until you are feeling strong enough. Good luck. I know it is easy to write but I have done this 4 times and it honestly works and the lost 2 evenings give you time to yourself every evening thereafter.

To all the other Babes Good luck today. I will mainly be spending the day at the laundrette (bed wetter, 4 DCs and no tumble drier + rain = a lot of wet washing Grin )

swallowedAfly · 26/04/2012 08:09

2, 3, 4 and 5 Shock blimey. that's a handful! i have no idea how you manage. do you have a routine for that time? have you found the best way of organising it to minimise stress?

for one thing kids don't need bathing every single day - not actually good for their skin for one thing so you could do sunday, tuesday, thursday, saturday baths (that would only be two in the week) and flannel washes on the other days - your children would still be clean.

could one night a week be cinema night - dvd, buffet type dinner of things you can spread on the coffee table and let them help themselves to and something treaty (but instant) for pudding?

sorry if that's useless but just trying to think of ways to make the time easier and/or more enjoyable. the reality is there isn't really something that you can replace alcohol with to avoid boredom, hard work, things you don't like but have to be done. you can only get better at dealing with boredom and hard work and retraining yourself to know you can manage that and get through it without having to turn to alcohol. also maybe keep focussing on how it WILL get easier and better and this is the hardest point of your life as a parent (unless you have another one) as they're all going to get older and more independent and easier etc. a couple of years from now they'll all be in school for example.

i'm in awe actually that you can cope with them! and that your body has coped with 4 pregnancies back to back.

TheBossofMe · 26/04/2012 08:17

Oh my word, rainhalt, 2, 3, 4 & 5! You must have secret Superwoman genes in there somewhere - I bow down in awe.

Greyhound · 26/04/2012 08:19

Thanks all, feel much better today :) Mini boing as I didn't drink last night and slept much better.

SAF I agree with you completely about the bipolar / alcohol. One only makes the other worse. I will monitor my moods over the next few days and if I feel down again (or high) I will see the GP as it's possible my meds may need adjusting.

Slightly dreading tonight as I am going to a piss up cocktail party and don't really want to drink too much, if any at all. Toying with the idea of pretending to be on antibiotics.

KirstyWirsty · 26/04/2012 08:26

Rain - don't know how you cope - only have one very well behaved DD7 and I think that is hard enough!

saf it spurred a state that would normally have been met with a drink If something happened during the day that made me angry or upset in anyway I would head home via Tesco and buy a bottle of wine and a bag of dorritos and have that for dinner.. that always made me smother the emotions feel better! Hmm

I've not had a drink since my 3 small glasses of wine last Friday .. but am out this Friday and Saturday and planning to drink moderately then

I have been going to the gym and not eating rubbish and expected to lose a few pounds but I haven't! Well done mouse on your success so far - keep up the good work! :)

Fairenuff · 26/04/2012 08:29

Rain I agree with Saf's suggestions about meals and bathtime. I used to like bathtime because it was something to do for half an hour but I only had two to think about. Do you have a routine at the moment?

How about, prepare something earlier in the day which can be reheated (slow cooker?) or cold food such as chicken, ham, cheese, grapes, carrot, cucumber sticks etc. Collect children from school, go home, change, have a little snack to put them on, then all go out for a walk, some time together, fresh air, bit of a chat and a run around. Then home for dinner, bath or quick wash, story, kisses & cuddles, then off to bed? You could do that twice a week on your tiredest days?

Boss I was a bit shocked earlier to read that you'd already had breakfast, lunch and a snack all by 7.45am Shock Confused. But then I realised the time difference Grin

Fairenuff · 26/04/2012 08:31

Greyhound do you actually have to go. Could you not make an excuse and stay away?

swallowedAfly · 26/04/2012 08:48

i did the same thing with boss's post faire Grin

venusandmars · 26/04/2012 08:56

grey I think you typed the right phrase before the strike outs. A Piss-up.

What is a cocktail party all about really? It's just a pretend sophisticated way to get hammered. If you were invited to a 'cheap gut rot cider' party would you be as tempted? It's part of the warped culture that we live in which sets up a social event where the purpose is to drink, then wraps it up in something that looks sparkly and fun. It's a bit like putting poison tablets in a gold plated pill box encrusted with diamonds. The price of the wrapping doesn't make the content any different.

Not your cocktail party grey, I don't mean to offend.

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 26/04/2012 09:37

Morning all. Gosh, it is only very, very windy now. No dangerously high winds or torrential rain to deal with today. Jolly good Hmm :)

Well done MsGee. Non-sleeping children at bedtime are the worst...good for you for resisting the wine. Bet that feels good this morning :)

Greyhound, glad you slept better last night. Sleeping well is one of the main incentives for me to not drink. I was a terrible insomniac for about nine years. Non-sleeping children aside, I would lie awake for hours and hours and just not be able to sleep for more than a couple of hours at a time. When I don't drink now I almost always sleep through the night...I still can't believe I can say that! That deep, restorative, refreshing sleep changes everything. I feel like I have a break from real life now too, and I feel soooo much better. The world seems a totally different place when you're not dog-tired, that's for sure. It did take me a couple of weeks to start sleeping well, but it is so worth perserving with. And, like Faire said, do you really have to go to the cocktail party? Confused. That could be hard!

Rain, dealing with a 2,3, 4 and 5 year old every day terrifies me just thinking about it! You make me feel like a right lightweight as my DC are older and a lot further apart in age (3, 6 and 9) but I started my unhealthy drinking to get me through the tea-time/bath-time/bed-time horrors when they were younger. It's the arguing and the crying and the clambering for your attention and the multi-tasking that's required that gets you, isn't it? It's tough. It's getting better though as they get older, thankfully! Planning the after-school time and the meals etc has helped me a great deal. Again, like Faire says, make as much as you can in advance, then just re-heat at the appropriate time. And if you have had a busy day or you have after-school activities etc then there are some really healthy ready meals out there. M&S do some great ones. And ready-prepared veg (which you can just steam in the bag it came in! who knew?!) can be a great timesaver (I offset the guilt and shame of being so 'lazy' when I buy such things by reminding myself that it could help me not consume about a fiver's worth of wine that night...). I don't know your routine and what your DC will eat, obviously, but I now plan my meals etc quite thoroughly. I have also split the children up at bath-time (they can bicker for Britain). They have baths every other night now, and I bath DS by himself, the girls the other night. Less arguing and less stress = less wine :) I treat it as I would if it were part of my 'proper', paid job. I analyse the problem, prepare for it and reflect and tweak as necessary. Sounds daft but if it stops me getting frazzled and drinking too much, then who cares! Also, I do everything a bit earlier than I used to, so that if it all goes a bit pear-shaped and takes longer than usual, I'm not getting wound up about them going to bed late, and I'm not losing my patience or energy (I seem to get very irritable if I have to deal with pesky children after about 8pm, I am going to find later bedtimes as they get older quite a challenge aren't I? Blush).

Saf, so much of what you say rings a bell with me. I know just what you mean about being affected by something but not always knowing what that thing is. It feels a bit like when you have a strange dream but you don't remember it but you feel different. It really helps to think about what's happened, to think it through and deal with it rather than just drink to deal with unpleasant emotions. Like you said, otherwise these things are just left hanging there...not good. Keep your thoughts coming! :)

Hope everyone else is doing OK too. Real-life drama has taken over for me recently. I feel like I need to find my focus again, and get back on track with my drinking and healthy eating and just general self-care really. This bus really does focus your mind, doesn't it? Hurrah for Gerald!

Mouseface · 26/04/2012 09:48

Morning, tis me, mouse

Just a very quick post as we're off to Stay & Play.

JWN - I've had the Marina coil before but I have a tilted uterus so can't have them due to the last one getting 'embedded' and having to be removed under sedation.

Plus I am unable to take any artificial hormones as they play havoc with my meds and mental health. Long story not for today but I've not been able to take anything for years.

Hence MrMouse having to use ahem, funbags Grin

TMI for a Thursday morning? We're amongst friends aren't we? Grin

Right, will catch up later.

MsGee - WELL DONE YOU!!!! XX

Saf - Look at that, you didn't drink so ended up feeling 'an emotional/weird feeling' and realised why. That's a huge step isn't it? Letting yourself feel things. After all this time of blocking and hiding behind a giant wall, you're getting out from behind it.

I envy that about you. Smile

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aliasjoey · 26/04/2012 10:43

mia my daughter is 9 too! But I haven't been brave enough to tackle the sex talk in anything like as much detail as you. (to be fair, she hasn't seemed that interested - deeming the whole thing 'yucky')

I haven't mentioned sperm & eggs - only that sex is for grown-ups ONLY and results in babies. She's interested in how babies are born, and worried it will be painful. However I have discussed periods with her, partly in case she started when she was away from home, and partly because there were some completely incorrect rumours flying round her class at school Hmm

But as for porn, masturbation, sex-for-fun, homosexuality, prostitution or anything to do with emotions and I wouldn't know where to start. Clearly I have some hang-ups myself. Blush

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ferfuxake · 26/04/2012 11:20

I'm on day 4, and if wasn't for my DD waking to scream at me for an hour at 4.30 this morning, I believe I might even be feeling a little boing Smile. Tis ages since I managed 3 AFDs. Am aiming for another tonight. Then there will be the weekend to negotiate...

We have a big family party on Saturday. I can't really envisage doing it completely booze-free, but think I will go for alternating alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks. Since I will have the DDs with me I won't get pissed - have always held it together in front of them (so far, I suppose I have to add).

Sorry I haven't time to catch up with everyone. but just wanted to say Mia and SaF you seem to be doing brilliantly, and Ms Gee too - well done for resisting last night despite extreme circumstances. I really sympathise re your DD - I have never been good at leaving mine to cry in the evenings, however gently it is done.

Hope y'all have a good day.

RainQueen · 26/04/2012 11:33

Thanks for all the messages. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who struggles at this time of day. I know it will get easier. My DC2 goes to school in September so only 2 pre-schoolers left!

They only have a bath three times a week and I am very organised (a bit OCD really). I have a rolling menu etc and they are all in bed by 7. I think it is just their ages as they are well behaved (on the whole Grin ).

As you said SAF I just have to learn to cope without alcohol and I know it will get better. It already is getting easier.

I have just got back from doing the "big shop" and got loads of nice non-alcoholic drinks and some nibbles. It seems a bit extravengant but then I thnk about what I would spent on booze.....

ilovemyelectricblanket · 26/04/2012 11:50

Hi All,

Cant seem to bring myself to bore you with the dullness of my life so have been lurking.

But suffice to say. MrBlanket ran his marathon. I was so proud of him. So in awe of his massive achievement (he hit the wall at 18 miles and finished in 4 hours and 40 mins) that I cried every time I saw him!

It was such an dramatic and inspiring day. And he had already suggested he wanted to drink afterwards - that I had a drink. I had a bottle. Had a hideous hangover. :o( Just feel so ashamed.

Then. MIL issues. We are estranged. So very badly estranged. Its dominated my life and I realise since joining this bus that Ive sedated myself for 16 months since 'The Bust Up'.

Its all flared up again and I drank anotehr bottle last night. All on my own. Just knocked it back. Trying to rid myself of the worry and stress of knowing that my lovely lovely husband is estranged from his family because of me.

Its not because of me Babes. Its MIL. But she is so far gone - she and the rest of his family cant see that. My inlaws believe her version of events and not mine and MrBs.

I am just an ordinary ordinary girl. I really am. And Im up against a powerful, manipulative, derranged, damaged, spiteful woman. And I dont stand a chance. :(

So. I appear to be fecking fecking fecking drinking again.

I will be in bed, blanket on and working on ridding my poor battered body of the poison. Once its gone. I know I can do it again.

Tonight is going to be a rought night.

Sorry to waffle on. MsGee - I think your amazing. 1 month! xxxx

Hi to all. Sorry not to name check all. Got to press send and go collect DS2 and his playdate from pre school....

x

Carrie370 · 26/04/2012 12:17

Wow, am I happy to find this thread!

I have an abusive relationship with alcohol, which I have admitted to no one, as I am one of those 'functioning drinkers' (still can't bring myself to use the 'a' word) who manages to hide my shameful habit from the rest of the world. The only person who is aware is my ex-partner (and, yes, he is my ex due in part to my drinking) as I do it only in secret, in the evening, and when I don't have to go anywhere or see anyone.

I know there are others in my position -here you are! - and I hope I will gain something from chatting on here (and, maybe, give something too).

Laters x

chasingtail · 26/04/2012 13:20

carrie welcome to the bus! You are in good company here & will get some sound support Smile

Sunnywithachanceofshowers · 26/04/2012 13:23

Hi Carrie and Anita and all the other Babes

I've not been here for a few days because I've been drinking. I had a shitload last night and took today off sick.

I went to my GP this morning and admitted that I have a drink problem. I once didn't drink for over 7 years, and realise that I'm very 'all or nothing' about - I'm either drinking loads or teetotal. Teetotal is better.

We agreed my drinking and binge eating issues are two sides of the same problem. She's referred me to a drug and alcohol service for counselling, and has changed my antidepressants to something that will help my anxiety.

I'm exhausted, and hungover, and frightened. I cried more this morning than I have in ages.

I'm going to ask DH to pour the rest of the wine away. I am not going to drink today.

chasingtail · 26/04/2012 13:31

Sunny be kind to yourself today.

Everything always seems much worse when you feel shit physically. Take it easy if you can, get an early night & start afresh tomorrow on your plan of action.

Well done on seeing GP, getting some RL support will really help you. x

aliasjoey · 26/04/2012 13:41

I just wrote an epic rant to blanket and it has disappeared!

The gist of it was it's not your fault and then I said rude things about your in-laws, made a couple of possibly helpful suggestions, repeated ITS NOT YOUR FAULT several times... and now it's all gone.

Anyway, you get the idea...

NonAstemia · 26/04/2012 14:08

Grin at Joey - great summary of your post to blanket there!

Joey regarding your DD, different strokes for different folks, I think. I've done quite a bit of study into anatomy and physiology over the years, so it's been natural for me to blind her with science way above her level Blush teach her about how her body works. History and art aren't really my thing (although the older I get, the more interested I become), so I doubt that she's absorbed much of that from me so far, iyswim. I'm sure there's loads of knowledge that your DD has got from you that my DD doesn't have. DD has a basic framework of biological knowledge now, so talking about the uterine lining shedding during a period will make sense to her whereas it wouldn't to another child who hadn't been forcefed A&P told the other stuff. Homosexuality was never a problem for me to tell her about because you don't have to make it about sex - it's just that sometimes people want to be in a relationship/in love with someone who is the same gender as them. That doesn't make a child think about 'sex' any more than thinking about a heterosexual relationship does. I think we as adults tend to assume they'll read into things a lot more than they often do. I've not tackled masturbation other than to tell her to keep her hands out of her pants until she's on her own! Grin

Well I'm feeling absolutely shit again here. Exactly like yesterday. Can see no reason not to have a drink this evening, tbh.

Carrie370 · 26/04/2012 14:10

Chasingtail - thank you - I already feel less isolated and secretive.

Sunny - You have done a very brave thing in going to your GP; feel proud that you have taken such an important and momentous step. Plenty of mugs of something hot and sweet for you today!