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nothing can drag you down when you're not holding on...

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chocoraisin · 06/04/2012 21:03

Hello :)

I've decided that blog or no blog, I can't imagine not having all of you fabulous people to turn to in the next couple of months while I count down to baby arriving. So I've jumped ship from the old thread and decided to set up camp here.

would anyone like a Brew?

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JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 06/05/2012 09:04

oh poor thing. You need to get angry, and I am sure that will come after you have had your baby.

I would try hard not to speak to him (ex) as much as possible.

chocoraisin · 06/05/2012 12:48

Ok... so. I decided to take back a bit of control and do what I can to get things straight between STBXH and me. Neither of us have any money for mediation and I have the bare minimum for solicitors fees, so I decided not to wait for conversations (or emails or texts) on his terms and sat him down today to have a talk.

I explained that I was upset and stressed about his suggestion his GF should meet DS, and that in my opinion it would still be far too early in September for this to happen, not to mention completely inappropriate for DS2. That in fact, I wouldn't consider it necessary for her to be around until such time as contact taking place with the children actually in her home, somewhere she has every right to be. (He chose now to admit he has already moved in with her and had been living with her for some time. I pointed out this is irrelevant as that is 3 hours away and contact most definitely will not be happening there.)

While he is seeing the DC in my home, or the home of one of his family members, there isn't a good reason on earth why she should come along as far as I can see. He seems to have accepted my point, and although he's not exactly agreed, I left it at saying IMO it wouldn't be appropriate for her to be involved (certainly not for me to meet her) until she actually moves to where we live, with him, and makes a commitment to be in his life that means she has to have a relationship with our kids. This will not happen for 12 months or more according to him. I pointed out that I harbour no desire to win him back and actually accept his right to have a relationship with her that I have no say in. But that this doesn't extend to our kids, where I feel the only adults who have a say are myself, and H. Turns out that she doesn't even want to meet DS, she just wants to come down for the weekend to see where they are both (apparently) planning to move to (no comment Hmm) and he is the one who thinks she'll be bored waiting around for him for a whole day if she does. I pointed out that this is what she has signed up for, and the sooner she faces reality on that front, the better.

I also let him know I'll be serving divorce papers asap citing adultery and naming her, so he should prepare her to receive her own copy of the papers and make sure she is willing to sign them and return them so that everyone is spared further expense etc. He seems very happy to accept that, so I guess I should be grateful that the divorce aspect looks simple enough :(

I feel better that I'm not running over this crap in my head any more, and at least now I can get on with sorting out the big D. It makes it easier to write the statement of arrangements for the children now that we've had this chat. I suggested to him mediation was always an option and he said he would sort it out asap - right up until I explained it cost £140 a session and he would be liable for the cost! At which point he felt we were doing a good enough job of talking between ourselves.

When you get down to the nitty gritty, it's all so mundane and sad. The facts can't be changed. So you just have to get on with it really. I'm glad I got through it without crying or raising my voice at least. :( Another one to chalk up to the bear hunt.

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HavePatience · 06/05/2012 20:41

((((((((( huge hug)))))))))))) choco.
That must have been so hard, but so glad you did it. Well done, lovely! xxxxx

midwife99 · 06/05/2012 20:58

Well done Choco - you took control & sorted it out. OW is not going to be in the picture for at least a year & that's that! Hooray! Smile

chocoraisin · 06/05/2012 21:12

thanks guys I wish it felt more of an achievement. I feel really gutted that he's living with her (but obviously knew this was in the 'script' so I'm not surprised). It just seems such a bloody farce. He says they are in a 'committed and serious' relationship - but I only kicked him out 16 weeks ago!! And had I not, he would have still been at home with me! Seems like 4 months is the magic number for him. He proposed to me after 4 months. Now, 4 months after I'm history, he has another 'life partner' lined up. Part of me actually wants to warn her lol... as if it would make any difference. I just feel stupid and rejected (again)... I really hope that these feelings will stop coming up so much soon.

DS2 has been really wriggly tonight though, you know how it gets when your whole belly heaves around and you can trace the outline of a foot as it sweeps across your side? I am trying to imagine his little face in there, getting ready to come and fill up the empty feelings with love. DS1 lifted up my t-shirt this afternoon, peeled down the bump band and kissed my belly about 5 times, patting it and saying 'bay-bee' over and over :) I ache that I don't have anyone to share those moments with. But I am still incredibly grateful to have them for myself, regardless. (((hugs back)))

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midwife99 · 06/05/2012 21:41

Ah DS1 sounds just so adorable! Smile

chocoraisin · 06/05/2012 21:53

he is pretty awesome, indeed :)

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blackcurrants · 07/05/2012 00:43

aww your lovely DS :)

I'm glad you've had a nice snuggly end to a trying few days. I was so impressed by the way you sat him down for a chat I wanted a [thunderous applause] emoticon. You are amazing!

midwife99 · 07/05/2012 08:44

I'm sorry you feel stupid & rejected. He is the stupid one as I think he'll discover in a few months. I can't see her actually moving house just so he can be near DCs can you?! I predict one of two things will happen - she'll refuse to move & if he's a complete wanker he'll stay 3 hours away, or they'll finish over it & he'll come crawling back to your area with nowhere to live doing the "poor me, women are bitches" act. By which time you will be independent & happy & he will be the stupid rejected one. Angry

HavePatience · 07/05/2012 16:09

I agree midwife, but.... It depends on how desperate the ow is. She must be pretty desperate to go after a married man with children.

midwife99 · 07/05/2012 17:13

Yes but the reality of actually moving house & having 2 young children to be responsible for might take the shine off it!!

chocoraisin · 07/05/2012 18:40

OW sounds like a lost cause to me. She has let him move in with her already (he admits they now have a flat together, so she has obv moved out of her parents to be with him). I know for a fact he can't be paying anything towards being there - he recently sent me a pissy email listing his outgoings (trying to get me to give him money!) and rent was def not in there. All his student grant money appears to go on running the bills at our marital home, and on petrol visiting DS.

So, she has got herself a bone fide cock-lodger who intends to move her to the armpit of the universe (even my friends who have lived their whole lives in this particular rural town see it as a dive, certainly it is not somewhere I would even contemplate moving to if I expected to have a social life! And I am a real country girl!). So in short, she will be giving up her home city, her own family, her friends, her newly gained job at a hospital she has recently qualified at and therefore has a budding reputation... for what? To spend most of her weekends either whiling away her time waiting for my husband to come back from seeing his kids, or trying to ingratiate herself with a couple of under-three year olds to stave off the boredom. And her primary concern right now appears to be getting my MIL to like and accept her so that this can all happen more quickly. Seriously, the part of me that doesn't think she is a loathesome slag would quite like to take her to one side and say Why? For the love of GOD, you are TWENTY FIVE! Get a bloody life!!

Or at the very least direct her to the step parents board on here so that she has a window onto the real world she is signing up for.

The actual me, who thinks she's a silly tart who will have to learn the hard way, will just let the pair of them get on with it.

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KirstyWirsty · 07/05/2012 21:16

Let her find out the hard way Choco

Oh how reality is going to bite .. not quite the fairytale romance she'd have been expecting ..that's for sure :-) xx

Smum99 · 07/05/2012 21:20

Well said Choco, the silly girl hasn't a clue about what she's signed up for..plenty of us on the step parenting board would gladly shatter her illusions. If she has any sense she will wise up quickly and dump him. I really can't understand how any woman could consider getting with a married man - especially with young children.

Hearing your story and others (& also my DH's) I just wish there was information for feckless parents who want to move their new partners into their children's lives after a few months..We have food campaigns to promote healthy eating, we have anti smoking campaigns, breastfeeding awareness etc but no guidance for the selfish parents who haven't a clue how to put their children's needs first. Rant over...

Your comments about your ds2 moving around has made me reminiscent of my ds (think we need a broody icon)...I'm glad you are appreciating the lovely times, despite your ex.

chocoraisin · 07/05/2012 21:44

Thanks guys :) Smum your reply really speaks to me, I honestly think parenting courses when you conceive are a bloody good idea for everyone! I hope I didn't sound ranty about all step parents BTW, I only have beef with my own H and OW :) But flicking through the step board def makes me realise just what a hard and thankless job it really is. And how easily Disney parents can screw up their kids and partners lives. sigh I read someone's post over there recently about how she had no idea what she was signing up to and it how hard it really was. I felt a bit sad, because why would you? It's not like we get a PSE lesson at school in step parenting do we? But men like my H seem to think happy blended families happen overnight just because they want them to pop into existence. It's shite finding out the man I committed my life to is such a nob!

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midwife99 · 07/05/2012 21:55

Yup Choco - it's hard! Thanks to my being the local Liz Taylor I have a lot of experience of step families. It's bloody hard! Your natural children can be a challenge but because they're yours you have a natural forgive them for anything funny bone. But when they're step children as hard as you try you feel more irritated by them. For someone who has no experience of kids like OW - almost impossible not to grind your teeth! Grin

saffronwblue · 08/05/2012 09:10

Choco he is a complete tosser and the cold dawning of reality will be interesting to witness. OW is in for a lot of hanging around - in fact a lifetime of putting other people's needs before her own. Good.

chocoraisin · 08/05/2012 20:39

I know you're right, I just wish I could switch off my internal dialogue right now! Why oh why can't I just decide not to care??!

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midwife99 · 08/05/2012 21:05

Feelings are not controlled so easily. You've done really well honestly! Smile

chocoraisin · 08/05/2012 21:06

thank you! x

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midwife99 · 08/05/2012 21:37

In fact you're an inspiration to lots of women on mumsnet!!

TheEpilator · 09/05/2012 19:18

You did brilliantly having that talk with him on your terms about OW and access. Keep up the great work and enjoy every minute of the wriggling bean as he'll be here before you know it! (I still dream about that feeling as the baby lurches across your abdomen and you watch the bump shift, 6 years later. Freeeeaky!) x

Dozer · 09/05/2012 20:05

You sound really confident and in control choco, even in the face of his idiocy. Hope you can sort the legal stuff without too much hassle/expense and that you're doing OK health/pain wise.

Epilator, I still have phantom kicks! Freaky!

Dozer · 09/05/2012 20:08

No-one would not care in such situation, it is hurtful, but you are acting with your head and are dealing with the emotions amazingly.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 09/05/2012 20:52

he's still a twunt. the OW too for getting involved in his life.

choco you and your boys will be fine.