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nothing can drag you down when you're not holding on...

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chocoraisin · 06/04/2012 21:03

Hello :)

I've decided that blog or no blog, I can't imagine not having all of you fabulous people to turn to in the next couple of months while I count down to baby arriving. So I've jumped ship from the old thread and decided to set up camp here.

would anyone like a Brew?

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chocoraisin · 27/04/2012 20:31

hahaha you're right, there should be no more chain! I should be chain free... Is this one of those things that time is meant to help with or should I be doing something more pro-active? Hmm

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blackcurrants · 27/04/2012 21:06

Well, does stopping all 'chatty' contact makes sense? You know, - no 'just checking in' stuff. I might be wrong here, so do tell me to naff off if I am, but it strikes me that even though part of you might crave him to take more of an interest in DS, it actually seems to upset you a great deal, when he does contact you looking for that kind of information.

midwife99 · 28/04/2012 06:54

I think you should make clearer boundaries to protect yourself from this ongoing dialogue re DCs. You can tell him if there's anything important but otherwise he can find out when he sees them. I think less frequent but longer contact & no more emails etc.

chocoraisin · 28/04/2012 10:00

I understand what you mean, and yes, it does upset me in some ways - but I guess this is also the only place I really feel safe to rant about it :) so maybe I'm more vocal on here than I would normally be. The thing is, I honestly don't believe that longer/less frequent contact is appropriate for children under two. DS won't be two til mid-summer, and then there will be the new baby.

It may well be that by the time H qualifies and starts working, he won't want to come every week - it is 3 hours each way after all. But no matter how challenging it is for me, DS loves to see him and he is his father after all :( I hear a lot about feckless bastards who don't bother at all (there was a thread on here a few days ago actually about a father who walked out with OW and didn't contact his 4 children ever again!!) so part of me tries to count my blessings.

Longer/less frequent would almost inevitably mean moving more swiftly to overnights too, and when a child (especially a baby) doesn't see a parent for a fortnight at a time, I just don't think it's fair for them to be whisked off for 2-3 days. Definitely not if that also could mean being taken 3 hours by car somewhere far away from me. There are so many things I worry more about than having to do handovers twice a week - one of the being NOT doing handovers and having no idea where or how my children are.

The chatty stuff however I definitely can cut out to a certain extent. I guess I'm mindful too that it's a two way street. I'm the wounded party right now, but in the grand scheme of things I'm the RP and in the future (which will be long, lets face it - I'm in week 15 of a 20+ year co-parenting relationship now) no doubt I'll be holding more cards than he will, and I'll want him to be capable of a conversation now and then, so part of me perseveres - and I'm really not sure what is normal under these circumstances. After all, relationships are so complex than what works for some people could be a disaster if I tried it, and vice versa. If the channels of communication are relatively open I guess that's a good thing. Dealing with how it makes me feel is the part that I struggle with... but that's about me, and talking about the kids is about the kids IYSWIM?

But it does help to see it through other people's eyes and to hear what you guys think, definitely! I have no road map for this particular journey!! I think when I look at it objectively, really I need to focus more on building up my own resilience, and maybe getting some counselling or something for myself. I've also thought about doing the Freedom Program, H wasn't full on abusive but he was pretty shit to live with, manipulative, cruel, with-held affection, money and intimacy in every way he could. And my only other long term relationship was a proper domestic abuse situation ('only' without being punched). So I guess my track record of boundaries isn't fabulous!! God bless mumsnet for showing me that these situations are not normal though, and you don't have to live with them.

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TheEpilator · 28/04/2012 11:56

Wow that really puts it into perspective! " week 15 of a 20+ year co-parenting relationship"

Its awful that you have to be in an ongoing 'relationship' with someone who has treated you so appallingly. For what its worth, you still seem to be handling it all with the utmost dignity and consideration for all involved.

Have a good weekend and let us know how things go on Monday eve x

midwife99 · 28/04/2012 12:30

Yes I do see what you mean given the DCS ages. Perhaps a reduction in texts & emails & calls would help a bit.

midwife99 · 30/04/2012 19:35

How are you Choco? DS & bump ok?

chocoraisin · 30/04/2012 19:44

hi my lovely, I'm ok thanks - a bit grey around the gills with tiredness, but hanging in there. I have my first coaching session in 20 minutes with the MD next door... eek! Just trying to collect my thoughts. And hoping that the sugar kick from some pear sorbet will wake me up enough to focus while I'm there! Never felt so unprepared in all my life... hope I don't sound like a numpty!

How are you doing, are you all recovered now from your abscess? Been thinking of you and hoping you are ok x

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midwife99 · 30/04/2012 19:51

Yes I'm fine now thanks. Back at my gym classes & work but had the week from hell with DD4 who is 2yo! She moved up to big girl nursery & went into a big bed & has reacted pretty badly - tantrums from hell!!
Oooh good luck with your session - I bet it'll be really useful & help you plan your future. You must be absolutely shattered - sending you a virtual homemade scone to go with your jam & some extra clotted cream - yum yum - lay down those breastfeeding fat stores!! Let us know how it goes!

blackcurrants · 01/05/2012 13:35

How was the coaching yesterday, Choco? I have been thinking about you, wondering how it went and hoping you found it helpful. :)

DS slept until 6.30 this morning -I actually woke AND HAD A SHOWER before he was awake! bloody blissful experience getting a whole hour's sleep more than usual, long may it continue! I hope you've had a good chance to rest and that your DS is sleeping better. It makes such a difference, doesn't it?

hugs You are amazing, has anyone told you that today? AMAZING!

chocoraisin · 01/05/2012 13:48

morning all :) glad you're feeling better midwife :) I've just eaten a ciabatta garlic loaf so hopefully the 'breastfeeding fat stores' are going to be used up eventually haha.

The coaching went really well thanks blackcurrants it was really helpful to talk through some of my big ideas/issues and realise that I have to actually crack on right now if I'm going to be ready to go to work in 14 months when baby is one. Also, I realised that I have some big things to get over on a personal level. Like, I hate (with a passion) talking about money. Not useful for someone who wants to be self-employed!! I don't like being noticed (not useful for someone who needs to self-promote) and I worry that people will think I'm 'taking the p*' all the time (even I don't know what I mean by that, except that being paid to do something I love somehow feels like I'm being a chancer Hmm) so I have some work to do on my own self-belief before I can see myself making a go of launching my own business.

Still I guess this is the best way ever to really understand how what I want to do actually helps people. If I can go from insecure, nervous and shy about money to running a proper business that supports my family, then I will have absolute faith in the process of coaching - which will help me sell myself no end. One thing I realise, I have never been so motivated to succeed. Getting over myself isn't optional, I will do it for my boys - and I am not going to get involved with anyone who doesn't help me to achieve my dreams any more. No more controlling boyfriends/hubby's who have inferiority complex's. I've done the 'supportive wife' role - now I'm going to learn how to be the kick-ass independent woman I always should have been!

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chocoraisin · 01/05/2012 13:50

PS thank you!! you are AMAZING too! And sleep wise, I was woken up at 6.15 today, so not too bad :) I did go back to bed for an hour when I left DS at nursery for the morning though Blush I blame the baby for needing the nap lol. Showering before your DS was up?? unheard of! I bet you felt amazing when you went to get him up after you!

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blackcurrants · 01/05/2012 14:04

I've done the 'supportive wife' role - now I'm going to learn how to be the kick-ass independent woman I always should have been!

That post gave me the hugest grin. I think once you start looking for that kick-ass amazing independent woman you'll probably find she's been there all along, just longing for her day in the sun. You're going to love her- I already love the glimpses we're getting of her.

Bloody AMAZING, I tell you!

Guinnessisgoodforyou · 01/05/2012 14:07

Your blog is so lovely x

midwife99 · 01/05/2012 14:16

You really are cooking with gas Choco! The future's so bright, you gotta wear shades!

chocoraisin · 02/05/2012 12:05

thank you guys! Feeling reasonably cheery today - been back to see the psychologist dude, which was intense but I'm sure helpful in the long run.

Definitely looking forwards to getting on with my business plan :) full steam ahead tomorrow - I'm treating it as a 'return to work' day (almost) and plan to do 3 hours on nursery mornings before baby arrives. I hope that if I take myself seriously, it will help me believe that other people should take me seriously!

I've got to say though I'm really getting fed up of the constant thoughts that keep popping into my head re: H/OW. I just can't seem to find the off switch... I've started dreaming about them now, and all the things I want to shout at them! Hmm I really don't want to be wasting so much mental energy on worrying about either of them. And I've been really good about no contact, so it's not like I've had a drip feed of H winding me up this week. Is this just me processing stuff? It sucks balls waking up every morning dreaming about his stupid face, then having to lurch straight out of bed and be happy-go-lucky mummy! Any tips on how to get rid of the anger?

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Wrongbow · 02/05/2012 12:56

Imagine punching him in that stupid face as soon as it appears? Wink

chocoraisin · 02/05/2012 14:40

hahaha thanks wrongbow I needed that mental image Grin

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blackcurrants · 02/05/2012 15:11

I think that sounds like a good plan, Choco - it certainly made me grin! What about talking to your CBT person about ways to stop the thought processes as they happen? He might have some great tips about it.

KirstyWirsty · 02/05/2012 21:18

Hi Choco I know what you mean about the constant thoughts of stbx and ow.. it is driving me crazy too .. if you find a way round it let me know!!

The kick ass woman is definitely already in the building . you are an inspiration xx

chocoraisin · 03/05/2012 21:17

definitely haven't worked out a way round it yet. Sobbed for 45mins in my car after seeing the midwife today. Thank god mum had DS for the afternoon. Feel like an emotional wreck!! I'm going to blame the hysteria on advancing pregnancy, and hope it passes. You guys are so lovely - thank you for still cheering me on, and encouraging me! I really appreciate it.

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KirstyWirsty · 03/05/2012 21:34

Oh Choco .. sending you hugs ((((())))))

Hope you feel better soon
xxx

midwife99 · 03/05/2012 21:36

Oh no what happened to upset you love? Sad

chocoraisin · 03/05/2012 21:40

thank you - I think it's just knowing that the closer I get to having baby, the closer I get to having to deal with him in my home, all his expectations. His OW and the bullshit he thinks is 'ok'. Him wanting me to hand over baby to them etc. He's been a total shit about money this week too, and I just feel so let down and uncared for. After being ill, and the contractions last week etc, it just highlights to me how little he actually cares about me and DS2. It's great that he loves DS1 but his actions there are still spectacularly selfish too. I am just tired of it, and wish I felt loved instead of discarded. I don't want to have to worry about him any more, and to tell the truth a lot of the time I dread DS2 arriving instead of feeling excited, which makes me feel like a horrible mummy. I feel like STBXH has stolen the joy from this pregnancy for me :(

sorry for such a negative post. It's just all a bit overwhelming today

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saffronwblue · 03/05/2012 22:13

Oh choco it is tough. It is normal to feel teary and panicky occasionally at this stage of pregnancy even without STBXH and his terrible ways.
You will still feel joy in DS2's arrival and in all the happy parenting years to come. Don't be hard on yourself. Just make sure that everyone close to you knows what you need and that you need security amd boundaries etween you and the jerk.b
Crying is a healthy response - it is a way of taking care of yourself and releasing some of the emotions.

Virtual hugs.