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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - BOINGing Into Spring, The Jesus(WhatNext) Way!

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Mouseface · 02/04/2012 20:43

Hello, tis me, Mouse Smile

I'm one of the Brave Babes aboard the Battle Bus, on the journey to sobriety.

We have drinkers, non-drinkers, inbetweeners, notquitesurers...... which is all fantastic. Smile

No matter who you are or where you're at in your personal quest to get where you want to be, come grab a seat and join in the natter, just jump right in. Smile

And, if you'd like to see where we've been up until now, HERE is a link to the last thread and the ones before it

See you soon.

OP posts:
Greyhound · 03/04/2012 12:08

I am terrified of relapsing. I am worried that the euphoria I feel today, non hungover for the first time for months, is just a brief honeymoon before the cravings start again. But today I will not drink. I have just poured the dregs of two bottles down the sink because they will soon go off.

What, if I beat this horror, will I not miss about drinking?

Here's a few:

  1. The guilt
  2. The fear of self inflicted serious illness
  3. The savage thirsts in the night, the bloodshot eyes in the mirror, the hangovers.
  4. Sneaking out to the bins every day, before the empties pile up
  5. Panicking about not having enough wine in the house, not being able to cope
  6. Spending too much on booze
  7. Mooching around in Iceland and Lidl looking for cheap wine.
  8. Feeling embarrassed at being recognised by the shop assistants.
  9. Tentatively joking to other people about my drinking, hoping they will tell me that they also indulge heavily.
10. Telling myself that I don't have a problem because I 'only' drink wine, because I never drink during the day. Although, since I crack open a bottle at 5 pm on the dot, that kind of is daytime drinking, isn't it?

One thing that occurs to me is how condescending I have felt towards 'real' alcoholics and their blue plastic zeppelin bottles of cheap cider. But how am I different? The cheap, sour wine I buy is just as bad - blended from grapes of poor quality, from the leftovers of the harvest, blended from different sources.

There is something romantic about wine - one imagines hot, sunny vineyards with rustic locals tilling the soil, richly coloured grapes fattening under the sun. But what is the reality? An article I read recently said that there is a dark side to the wine industry, that it is full of snake oil salesmen.

I remember a woman who hung around, with a bunch of other 'alkies' near where I worked in London. She was always begging for money for more booze. Her face was deep red with broken veins and I used to shudder when I saw her. One summer's day, I went to eat my lunch in the park and there was a crowd of people drinking out of cans containing cheap lager. I left, feeling nervous around them.

Two of my uncles are alcoholics. Although they are related to me by marriage, their drinking still affected the entire family. They have three failed marriages between them and their children are still suffering the effects of fathers who abandoned them, for months at a time, to disappear no binges.

My grandfather died of alcoholism related illness in his early fifties and, before his death, he had lost his marriage, his children and his job. His drinking bankrupted the family.

Right now, I feel no craving, no worries about not enough wine in the house. Usually, I am edgy if there are fewer than three bottles. I hope this lasts, I can only hope.

One thing I remember is that one particular alcoholic, though I only met him once, had a permanent effect on the rest of my life. I was seventeen and it was my first morning of university. At 9 a.m., eager and nervous, I knocked on the door of my Advisor of Studies to discuss the course I was going to do.

Within a minute of sitting down in his office, I realised he was absolutely blotto, completely drunk and stinking of whiskey. I should have got up and left but I was young and frightened and I didn't know what to do. He struggled to speak and scrawled notes onto my studies form that were illegible. His hands were shaking. I left his office with a course plan that was completely different to that I had planned to do. It worked out okay in the end, I enjoyed my course, but that's not the point.

Anyway, I'll stop rambling on. I was thinking all this over in the night and needed to get it down.

Good luck, babes :)

Greyhound · 03/04/2012 12:10

Jade - I've done exactly the same to my dh, several times :(

Greyhound · 03/04/2012 12:10

Also, I know that feeling - dreading going downstairs in the morning and checking on how much booze I put away the previous night :(

chasingtail · 03/04/2012 12:27

GGGRRRRR Wrote v long & self indulgent message on last thread, but of course it's full!!
Oh well, to sum up, just wanted to say to MsGee, Lola & Sunny I totally get you about behaviour round children being a huge factor in wanting to kick this destructive habit.

Have realised that most of my time has been spent grumpy, either because couldn't get kids to bed earlier enough (is 5pm really so unreasonable Grin!] or because I had a hangover. Cannot quite believe I let myself get like that.

Anyway, been shopping, had haircuts (them) & swimming lessons this morning. Would normally have been total nightmare (think sitting by hot pool with one bored child & raging hangover) but today it has been, dare I say, enjoyable?! Want to bottle this feeling of contentment & open it every time i have a craving.

Welcome Jade, you are def in the right place. So many of us in exactly the same position; am convinced there is strength in mumbers.

Hope all germ ridden Babes are on the mend or somewhere cosy with lots of hot (alcohol free!) drinks Smile

helpyourself · 03/04/2012 12:29

One thing that occurs to me is how condescending I have felt towards 'real' alcoholics and their blue plastic zeppelin bottles of cheap cider. But how am I different?

The only difference between me and the park bench drinkers is time. I don't know what would happen if I took a drink, but I do know that if I can stay away from the first drink, One day at a time, I need never find out.

helpyourself · 03/04/2012 12:33

X posted with chasingtail

Sharing on this thread is a way of bottling this feeling- I often think of days that would have been unbearable when hungover or craving drink and feel really grateful to be sober.

venusandmars · 03/04/2012 13:12

I had a couple of days away with some very good friends of mine, lovely people, and a really fantastic time. One of them has a big drink habit, and I feel ill and sad when I recognise him doing so many of the things that I used to do:

  • taking very complicated public transport, rather than hiring a car, so that he could drink on the plane on his way there;
  • generously going to the shops when we arrived to buy food for a big 'Brendan-special' breakfast, and coming back with wine (and a couple of extra bottles in his bag);
  • going for a long walk on his own in the afternoon to clear his head (and stop for a few drinks in a local pub);
  • having a glass that was twice the size of everyone else's - and joking about it, but drinking at least the same number of glasses as everyone else;

But the saddest thing was the look of desperation in his eyes when 3 of us went to the airport together, and the other person was about to choose a seat in the coffee and sandwich shop area, rather than in the cosy bar where Brendan was so desperate to go (but didn't want to say). In the end we did sit in the bar, and he got his pint, and then went off 'shopping' (aka another swift pint in a different bar).

And I used to believed that when I did all these type of things, that no-one noticed. I was a fooling myself.

dementedma · 03/04/2012 13:26

good post greyhound
I am pleased with not drinking last night but it helped that I am not well at the mo - still in bed at lunchtime Shock
I KNOW I will drink again - a lfe without alcohol is not in the game plan for me, but I need to reduce it. My aim is to have 4 alcohol free nights a week.
rain am seriously impressed.

Greyhound · 03/04/2012 13:44

Thanks Ma, I was in bed until lunch as well with the cold. Now getting cravings but I will resist with all my strength. Venus, your friend Brandon sounds like me... Feeling out of control and worried where the next drink is coming from.

aliasname · 03/04/2012 14:09

helpyourself haha, no he just can't cope with the idea of me not being in control. Bless him he means well, and if I'm have a drink-free day he will sometimes join me.

chasingtail I like what you said about safety in numbers, the problem is I get the craving to buy the wine earlier in the day when I can't come on mumsnet. there's a time between 5pm and 8pm when I'm constantly thinking can I just pop to Sainsburys... if I make it past then am usually okay.

Lolabelle · 03/04/2012 15:28

Just spent a hangover free afternoon with my kids, had lunch and bought ingredients for cake making tomorrow and a huge loin of pork which is roasting now. No chicken nuggets for them tonight oh no, we've got honey glazed parsnips and homemade apple sauce I barely recognise myself! My DH will have to be told something as he'll be confused as to this new woman in his kitchen!

The thing is the pork isn't due out until 6.30 which I would NEVER allow before as that's my drinking start time but tonight I figure we'll eat late together as they are off school and nearly 5 and 7, it's actually a first and I'm looking forward to it! I have 2 bottles of wine in the fridge from 3 days ago but I want another day like today tomorrow so I won't go there. I really can't stuff this up, feels like its really sunk in that I have a problem and need to change x

chasingtail · 03/04/2012 15:49

Venus remind me, are you completely dry or trying "contolled" drinking? Reason I ask is that tomorrow I am going on a hotel break with a very dear friend to celebrate her big 40. This is day 10 for me & am wondering (probably naively) if I dare allow myself a couple of glasses of bubbles to celebrate or just to try & avoid altogether.
Were you drinking on your trip away with friends?

HorsesDogsNails · 03/04/2012 17:25

chasing I'm sure Venus is completely dry.....

helpyourself · 03/04/2012 17:40

chasing Right up until the end of my drinking I would have held it together at such an occasion, but later that night, or even the following day the brakes would have come off. I can only talk for myself but controlled drinking never worked for me.

There are a few Babes who manage successful controlled drinking and more who struggle with it, I'm guessing that they wouldn't recommend allowing yourself a couple this early in.

dementedma · 03/04/2012 18:00

venus is dry as a bone. shrivelled, withered...
lola you are doing brilliantly, you too greyhound

chasing it very much depends on where you are at and what you want. We all handle things differently and have different levels of abuse medication on here. You will get different answers on that one. personally I would have a glass or two to celibrate, if you know you can stop after that. if that one or two glasses will lead to getting pissed, then don't do it.

MsGee · 03/04/2012 18:12

Help needed, having a wee wobble!

I've decided to have the night off and as its the first for a while my mind immediately went to wine. I had visions of a nice meal with DH and well, wine.

I need to be careful on the nights I don't work and also don't want to need to work to avoid drink.

I'm out of bloody cordial but have alcohol free beer. I have a book. What else can I do?

HorsesDogsNails · 03/04/2012 18:30

MsGee how about having a bath then one of the alcohol free beers when you get out? Can you send DH to the shop for cordial when you're in the bath? A book would work for distraction for me, I can really lose myself in one..... Does LittleMissGee need anything doing that will distract you?

Sunnywithachanceofshowers · 03/04/2012 18:37

Alcohol free beer sounds like a great idea MsGee. xx

Greyhound · 03/04/2012 18:42

I'm still off the wine, I'd be through most of a bottle my now. I feel absolutely rank with a horrible cold but at least I'm not adding a hangover onto it.

I did have some cravings earlier. The weather has been terrible and I feel quite down. Hope everyone is ok.

MsGee · 03/04/2012 18:51

Thanks! Bath done, so all squeaky clean now

Going to open alcohol free beer and read book.

Back up treat is meringue, raspberries and yoghurt. Nom Nom.

MsGee · 03/04/2012 18:52

horses I did think about baking for DD but the baking stuff is to close to the wine!

dementedma · 03/04/2012 19:17

stick with it MsGee - you've been doing so well. enjoy the beer.

topknob · 03/04/2012 19:29

To whom it was who asked if this is common, yes it is..myself a bottle of wine most nights and at least 5 of my friends do the same :( we are all about 34-37 in age, have kids below 10 and are married...I drink because I like it, it blots out the complete and utter boredom I feel. But the nights I don't drink (not very often) the day after I feel epic and achieve so much..

Sunnywithachanceofshowers · 03/04/2012 20:31

Hello top how are you doing tonight? Are you okay?

helpyourself · 03/04/2012 22:08

Careful top about comparing yourself to others. It can be comforting to think that everyone is drinking the same, but it's a slippery slope from comparison to denial to delusion. It may be that lots of your friends have an unhealthy relationship to alcohol; maybe some of them are alcoholics, but your relationship to alcohol is just that- yours. This about you.