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Finally slept with love of my life and think my heart is going to be broken

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ButWhyIsTheGinGone · 24/03/2012 09:16

Am devastated. This is long I'm afraid...
I've loved this man for four years. He lives in my town but we're from the same village orginally. He's 17 years older than me but in many ways my best friend and we are very similar. He works all over the world in patches - last year he was away probably about 20 weeks, so when he's here we spend a lot of time together.

I think he's always known how I feel about him, but he's never taken advantage, never embarassed me and has made comments indicating the age difference between us is an issue for him. But we've always had a very friendly, bickery relationship and our friends and his family jokingly call us a married old couple.

Thursday evening he returns home from abroad and we arrange to meet up in local pub with lots of mutual friends. He's in a really bright, jokey mood and at one point when our friends' attentions where on someone else, he told me he'd been talking with work colleagues about being away and love, etc. He said it was like a lightbulb moment and realised I was his soulmate and he loved me. I also applied recently for a job which would have meant eventually moving away and I think this made him stop and think. He's packing in the working away later this year so settling down aorund here. I couldn't respond cos my stomach was doing knots and I was half scared it was a horrible joke.

We left and walked to pub near my house and had a gin and tonic and he asked if he could come back to mine. I said yes, knowing what it would lead to, and it did. Not going to go into deep detail (it's early!) but we spent a lot of time talking, telling each other we loved each other, kissing, cuddling, and then yes, other stuff. It was the most open and honest and actually best sexual experience I've ever had. (Yes I KNOW how lame that sounds.) He said at one point this reason this was so great is that it was sex and love together, and I told him I'd never actually had that. (True.) He left as I had an early start the next day, and I went to bed the happiest person ever.

He made no contact yesterday at all. I sent him a cheerful good morning text and then in the afternoon a quick one to say I was popping into pub on way home if he fancied a quick drink. No response. I begin panicking. I rang a very good female mutual friend of ours and explained, swearing her to secrecy.) She was really excited for us, but said he's probably panicking about it and, knowing him as she does, scared of being rejected. So I text him before I went to bed saying I really meant everything I'd said last night and hope we can talk soon but it's up to him.

What has happened? Part of me is angry and thinks if he just wanted a quick fuck, why say the love and soulmates bits, and WHY WITH ME? But most of me is just gutted and wants to cry. I don't know what to do. I know this problem isn't as serious as many, but I feel like a major thing in my life has just been pulled away. Any words of advice/comfort will probs make me bawl, but will be appreciated.

OP posts:
OlympicEater · 25/03/2012 13:04

Well I am hoping the fact that the OP hasn't been back to the thread since early this morning means that they are spending some time together and he is apologising for his shitty behaviour.

At least OP will know for sure how he feels and can move forward

SarahDoctorIndyHouse · 25/03/2012 13:09

Well said Olympic

And as I have already lost an hour today through no fault of my own so I must away, but Gin I wish you all the luck you deserve!

fiventhree · 25/03/2012 13:10

Well put, Athing.

AThingInYourLife · 25/03/2012 13:13

I think whatever hope there might be is ill-served by repeated rebuffed attempts to force him to communicate.

Leaving the ball in his court was the best play for someone hoping this might come good.

"At least OP will know for sure how he feels and can move forward."

That's the last thing she will know.

She'll only know what he says when pushed into a corner by a woman he wants to think well of him.

fridakahlo · 25/03/2012 13:16

I must admit being a bit nail bitey about what is going to happen.
I really really hope for the OP that they are having a mis-communication error.
I really expect they are not though.

SarahDoctorIndyHouse · 25/03/2012 13:16

She'll only know what he says when pushed into a corner by a woman he wants to think well of him.

I know I said I was going away but I lied.

I have said it once and I will say it again: this is is NOT the only possible interpretation. Nailed on certainties are nice but they aren't given to any many of us, especially those of us not in possession of all the facts.

Bucharest · 25/03/2012 13:25

Just popping back to disagree about the sleeping thing.

I've loved many times but hate sleeping with people. (even with dp, with whom I've been together for 15 yrs)

Even during my shagging around days, I would always get up and go home, or if at mine, fervently hope they would.

Possibly just me being a weirdfuck though. Grin

SarahDoctorIndyHouse · 25/03/2012 13:29

I've loved many times but hate sleeping with people. (even with dp, with whom I've been together for 15 yrs)

Thank you SO much for saying this Bucharest/WeirdFuck Grin

It beautifully makes the point that stonecast conclusions cannot be drawn from one set of circumstances (I believe someone said that if he emant it he would have stayed right?)

SarahDoctorIndyHouse · 25/03/2012 13:30

Or even if he meant it Smile

maybenow · 25/03/2012 13:34

Gin - so glad to read your last update. You need to TALK to this man. It wasn't a one night stand where you'll never see each other again. It's a GOOD friend.

You need to know if:

  1. you're soul mates and going to be together forever
  2. he doesn't love you like that and you're ok with it and will stay friends
  3. he doesn't love you like that and you're so p'd off you're not going to stay friends
  4. he's not sure how he feels but you can work on it
  5. he's not sure how he feels and you're not going to hang around waiting to find out.

just stopping talking to each other on an assumption about what the other is thinking is the LAST thing either of you should do.

maybenow · 25/03/2012 13:36

for what it's worth - my reading of the evidence so far is that this man is a bit incompetent at relationships, he's had no practice and is behaving like a man far younger because of this, but i don't think there's enough evidence to say that he deliberately lied to get sex and is a complete shit.

SarahDoctorIndyHouse · 25/03/2012 13:39

just stopping talking to each other on an assumption about what the other is thinking is the LAST thing either of you should do.

Three gazillion cheers for you Maybe (and what you said in the following post) I was beginning to think I was going mad!!!

Sorry Gin I am getting way too involved in the semantics of this, while you are going through a nightmare!

likeatonneofbricks · 25/03/2012 13:40

they probably ARE having a talk today, and I envisage him telling her how complicated it all is, age gap, him not having LTRs for a long time or ever, etc. etc. If he's half decent he'll suggest never sleeping again and apologising for leading her on with the hope of friendhip resuming (her right not to want this of course), if he is a twat then he'll be hoping for FWB situation. I really don't think he's up for an LTR though, and if he is theoretically, OP will need patience of a saint - cause believe me it 's NOT the last time he'll be having big wobbles (and no guarantee of a good outcome).
OP, if he's asking you to give him lots of time to get his head sorted with a view to relationship, just say no, do not spend years being his counsellor! It's up to him to be decisive if he does see the future (he may well need some prof counselling if he really wants it but feels inadequate). Tell him in this case then until then you'll just be friends or nothing at all, but don't become his 'nurse'.

likeatonneofbricks · 25/03/2012 13:44

I'm with Bucharest, for me it takes a while to start sleeping all night with someone especially when in love, as it's so hard to relax in their presence, and also to start with, you do want to look your best, not like you do first thing in the morn! Plus some people snore or toss and turn (=no sleep).

AThingInYourLife · 25/03/2012 13:45

"I have said it once and I will say it again: this is is NOT the only possible interpretation."

Um, it is the only possible interpretation if she pushes (again) for communication.

He might be someone who tells the truth when pushed into a corner, but whatever way he responds it will be because he was pushed into a response.

She will never know how he would have responded without her pushing him.

I think that's an important thing to know at the outset. You obviously don't.

But nothing she hears if he agrees to meet today will have come without significant wheedling on her part.

She will know that. And so will he.

And it is unlikely that it won't affect them if things proceed on a romantic footing.

The surest way to make sure this founders on miscommunication is to push for communication from someone unwilling to offer it - you won't be able to trust what they say.

So then you're back to second guessing, self-doubt and constant wondering.

The beginning of good relationships is all certainty and confidence and excitement.

If they meet up today and he says:

"I'm so sorry I've been ignoring you, this whole thing is just so huge. I didn't know how to respond."

Would you counsel her to take that at face value?

:o

Really?

Because I might have if it came unasked for... but now?

You'd have to take it with a massive pinch of salt and see how he was next time they sleep together.

Which is not a good place to be.

Far better to be the girl he's overwhelmed by and missing than the one he's overwhelmed by and avoiding.

Nyac · 25/03/2012 13:46

I thought he sounded a bit of a knobber from the very first post, and it turns out that is what he is.

Sorry he's let you down ButWhy. He sounds manipulative. He probably loves the ego boost of keeping a 27 year old woman hanging on a string (23 when this started), and the shag is just the next stage up in his manipulation of you, to get you really hooked.

You're too young to waste your life on someone who behaves like this. He's not your friend and he's not your lover. You deserve better.

HillyWallaby · 25/03/2012 13:48

Hmmm. Right. Normally I would agree with Shiney's last post about not calling after the three ignored texts as it looks needy, but in this particular situation I disagree. This is not some guy she met in a bar who has brushed her off after a first date. She knows him really well, she spends tons of time with him, and the longer the awkward silence and the game playing and the waiting goes on, the more embarrassing it will be for both of them. She is going to endlessly bump into this man and it will make for a really bad atmosphere for months, and drain her self-confidence.

It's like When Harry Met Sally. Sally woke up all smiley and Harry went into a state of panicky denial. Grin She would be doing the best thing by matter of factly ringing him and saying 'Right, I know things will be forever changed after Thursday night but we are adults and we care about one another so we should discuss this, because we both said some heavy shit and I need to know where I stand one way or another.'

There is zero point in playing waiting games when you know someone this well.

It is possible that if he is (or thinks he is) one of those serial confirmed bachelor types who has not had a proper relationship in years, then he is a bit in shock and panicking about what he said and the implications. Maybe he needs a few days to get his head around all that was said.

Or maybe he is one of those annoying, useless, self-absorbed fuckwit commitmentphobes, who only wants what he thinks he can't have and then runs for the hills the minute he has it, in which case it's best the OP finds out sooner rather than later. She can only do that by speaking to him.

freerangeeggs · 25/03/2012 13:49

It was a bit crap of him not to text you.

Still, I think you need to talk to him before you write this off. You have known him for four years, after all, and you care about him a lot.

Just ask him why he didn't text you.

SarahDoctorIndyHouse · 25/03/2012 13:53

I think that's an important thing to know at the outset. You obviously don't.

Would you counsel her to take that at face value? Grin Really

There you go again, second guessing. Please don't tell me what I am thinking or what I do or don't find important based on this. Or question my response when my response has not been made. And all this based on his hypothetical response!!!

As I have said, I would love to be able to draw hard and fast conclusions from something that is still so much in the ether, but I can't. If you can, good on you.

We are in danger of dragging this into a point scoring debate between you and me when it's about a real life dilemma for one of our virtual friends, so I really am going to withdraw from posting at this point (but will continue to lurk!!)

CuriousMama · 25/03/2012 14:00

Just read through this. Hope it comes out ok for you? I must say I find his behaviour strange but I've dated someone like that before. Didn't turn out well. He was also much older than me.

Nyac · 25/03/2012 14:00

Somebody who has just found his soulmate and declared love doesn't generally hop off down the pub with his mates. Unless he has the emotional maturity of a 13 year old boy.

Heyyyho · 25/03/2012 14:06

OMG you are seriously not going to contact him are you?

You have been played girl. It really, really pains me to say this but he told you he loved you and you slept with him the same night. He's just not that into you.

I could insult him in all sorts of creative ways but what's the point.

He just wanted to get you into bed. For gods sake just leave it, book a weekend at a health farm and move on quick!

Chateauneuf · 25/03/2012 14:07

I think a direct approach is fine. You either get a direct answer and you know where you stand, or you don't get a direct answer... in which case you can draw reasonable inferences about where you stand, one of which being you stand in a place where you're not going to get an direct answer for whatever reason. For me, that would be reason enough not to proceed with the relationship, from bitter experience relationships that start with you having to second-guess them rarely end well. I know you've known him for 4 years, but clearly (and I mean this in a gentlest possible way) you don't know him that well if this behaviour is a surprise to you. So possibly the idea of 'him' you are in love with isn't that accurate either...

Seabright · 25/03/2012 14:08

Am hoping that as we haven't hear from Gin for a bit that they are out in the sunshine, holding hands, being lovey-dovey before a big shagfest!

CuriousMama · 25/03/2012 14:09

Agree with Chateauneuf.