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DH's "daughter" from brief fling appears on doorstep 29 years later

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gusting · 01/03/2012 12:34

My DH, who is 55 now, had a fling with a girl when he was in his 20s. It was very brief, and after it ended she said she was pregnant. Some time later my DH remembers someone coming to his parents house asking for child support for the child, but he had never seen the girl again or heard from her, and so was not prepared to entertain any suggestion of paying child support.

Anyway, last year, my DH received an email (he has a website , so that will be how she tracked him down) from a woman claiming to be my DH's daughter, and asking him to get in touch.

My DH, who is computer illiterate anyway (I deal with all his emails!) was fairly flabbergasted, to say the least, and his reaction was simply to ignore the email. He said he would think about how to respond, but basically in true male fashion filed it to the back of his head. His dad was very ill at the time and has subsequently died, so he had plenty else to think about to be honest, and we have a 2 year old DS (I am 39, by the way!).

Anyway, last night we had people round, and the doorbell rang. I was on the phone so my DH went to answer the door. I recognised the woman straight away as I had looked her up on facebook! It was this "daughter", who introduced herself. My DH was completely dumbstruck- apart from the fact we had people in the house, which was a godsend, or he would have had to ask her in, my DH is completely inept in difficult situations like that.

He told her that it was not a good time, and she asked if she could have 20 minutes of his time to "talk" to her, sometime before she left the area (she was here on holiday) tomorrow evening. He took her number, but because he was so taken aback by the whole scenario, he failed to save it in his phone.

He and I discussed things later, and he is very reluctant to speak to her. He does not want to have a relationship with her (assuming that she is indeed his daughter, which is a strong possibility as she looks a bit like him) and just wants to bury his head. He is annoyed that she just appeared at the house without warning. He says he feels nothing towards her, so doesn't think it appropiate to risk unsettling us all and causing his family possible upset by dragging up the past now.

I do see where he is coming from, and my primary goal is to protect my nice happy family unit from any upset, of course. But part of me thinks that the right thing to do by her would be for him to at least talk to her. After all, it's not her fault she was the result of a quick fling, and she has a right to find out about her dad (if he is her dad) and to get to know him. I keep thinking how curious I would be in her situation and how upset I would be if my dad refused to have anything to do with me.

I know I can convince him to talk to her if I really try- he says he will do it for me, if I want him to. But it could turn out to be a whole can of worms opened, and the effect on our family could be very negative.

Anyone got any views??

OP posts:
GnomeDePlume · 02/03/2012 09:08

mrsbaldwin I suspect that the truth will be that when they meet the daughter will discover much as the OP has discovered that the reality is rather less impressive than the imagination.

The daughter will probably have some questions to ask. She is of an age where she may be starting a family of her own.

In all of this I feel sorry for the OP and the daughter. Both have had an illusion about the DH. For the daughter he has probably always been a shadow in the background. Anything could be projected onto him.

For the OP I think it is so much worse. She has probably always thought of her husband as being tragically honourable, desperately trying to maintain a relationship with his other daughter. Instead she finds out that her husband is weak, pathetic, a liar by omission if not actively.

The truth will be that her DH has always known about this other daughter but that it was more convenient, easier, to ignore her. Head firmly wedged in the sand.

PooPooInMyToes · 02/03/2012 09:50

I agree tsc

PooPooInMyToes · 02/03/2012 09:53

I have to wonder WHY the mother of the daughter he's been fighting to see doesn't want him in her life. Considering his history i would be suspicious. You see him as the injured party but of course you've only heard his side.

saffronwblue · 02/03/2012 10:15

OP it is good that your DH has (with your help!) sent her an email. I think everyone reacted so strongly to your OP because of your tone of relief that she had been turned away and had not upset your H or disturbed the social evening. Just picture your own child, their heart in their mouth, knocking on a stranger's door and being rejected.
A man came in a suit and went away again is the sort of account a 5 year old would give. Your DH has the opportunity to try to redress a terrible wrong and prove that he is no longer that callow youth. At this stage he seems to be avoiding that opportunity.
Your "lovely family unit" is in fact built on the conscious and deliberate rejection of a child which has been maintained for 30 years.

brandysoakedbitch · 02/03/2012 10:54

I am in the DDs situation except that my parents were married and I was planned and after patchy contact my Father fucked off to do his own thing. That was over 35 years ago. A few years ago I tracked him down to let him know my Mummy had dies (horrible of cancer and I was very upset) - I actually wrote him a lovely letter just enquiring after him and wishing him happiness (I decided to not write my Mummy had die in the letter as I think it would be a horrible shock and wanted to tell him in person) - he sent a 5 line letter back to me telling me I was in the past and I should stay there. After the dreadful shock of losing my Mother this was so horrible I could not even reply, I daren't get in contact again for fear of it happening again as I just don't need that.

I really hope your DH does the right thing, this girl did not choose this situation and it took tremendous courage to come to your door when you had ignored her email. Please make sure your DH is kind to her she really does deserve this when he chose to walk away. remember he was in his mid twenties, not a kid when this happened and he can spin it anyway he likes to you but he chose to do this so now cannot moan if it is hard for him. He sounds so spineless I would really struggle to see him in a positive light after this episode.

PooPooInMyToes · 02/03/2012 11:36

Brandy Sad

PigletUnrepentant · 02/03/2012 12:40

MrsBaldwin, I would be of the idea that the 4th scenario would be the most likely one:

-Girl growing up with idealised image that the long lost dad is in some way a wonderful man who didn't have oportunity to be part of her life. 29 years later and after a lot of work, she manages to trace him down. Instead, of the happy re encounter she expects, he slams the door on her face. Girl realises that the idealised dad is in fact a worthless bastard not worthy of her attention.

This girl ends up feeling humiliated for the rest of her life.

The end.

TheCrunchUnderfoot · 02/03/2012 12:56

OP, that is great news.

I hope you all find that you gain from this. If your H is up to the task, it's almost a given that you will. Good luck.

noddyholder · 02/03/2012 13:05

A bit needy and a bit of a mess? You should be ashamed I don't think I have ever encountered anyone so cold and hard in my life

solidgoldbrass · 02/03/2012 13:35

What's so great about trying to force your way into someone's life when that person has made it clear that s/he doesn't want to know you? Turning up on the doorstep when emails/letters have been ignored should be a clear signal that you are not wanted, and persisting in trying to contact someone who doesn't want to know is messed-up behaviour.

PooPooInMyToes · 02/03/2012 14:03

Sgb it was one email! How is that forcing anything!? As far as she knew he hadn't received it.

Im starting to think you have real issues about this.

Frontpaw · 02/03/2012 14:07

He needs to meet her, establish that she is his dad, and go on from there.

noddyholder · 02/03/2012 14:09

I agree poopoo

CuriousMama · 02/03/2012 14:12

brandysoakedbitch that's so awful Sad I can't understand that sort of behaviour, it's inhumane?

JustAnother · 02/03/2012 14:33

Poor girl. Rejected at birth, rejected as an adult. She must have imagined so many times the scene of finally meeting her dad... Can you imagine what she felt like 2 minutes after he closed the door again? I hope she had a good friend with her.

mrsbaldwin · 02/03/2012 14:55

4th scenario could also be likely. But the OP was not from daughters point of view - although most of the comments on thread take daughters part.

If I was OP I would have many of same concerns as she suggests. As OP explains it, It was pure chance that daughter turned away when she showed up uninvited. I wouldn't have wanted to play out my personal soap in front of neighbours either.

Great that OP has helped her DH organise a mtg. Yes, I would have said the chance of a happy ending here is fairly limited.

Does SGB need counselling? LOL of course not! IMO she is taking a rational, libertarian position. Someone's gotta do it amongst all the posts positing daughter as unwitting victim of evil patriarch

Flimflammery · 02/03/2012 15:08

Turning up on someone's doorstep bleating for acknowledgement

SGB are you deliberately trying to be offensive? That is incredibly hurtful to the posters on here who've described trying to contact their own father. I can't believe almost no-one except noddy has picked you up on this. Maybe everyone's too scared of being slagged off by you.

solidgoldbrass · 02/03/2012 15:36

Look, all the adoption/family tracing charities and advice services advise strongly against turning up without warning. For a good reason. You can't guarantee what reception you're going to get if you appear out of the blue, and it is not unreasonable for someone to refuse to have anything to do with a person they don't know, have never known and just share some DNA with. You can't force someone into having or acknowledging a relationship with you against their wishes, and to keep bashing away doesn't do you much good either.

So the people who ignore the advice to move slowly and go blundering straight in with the unexpected visit are generally either needy bleaters or actually very fucking arrogant and convinced that their wishes matter more than other people's.

SarahBumBarer · 02/03/2012 15:37

Well I do find it odd that the general MN view seems to be that parents owe you nothing, no throught, no childcare, no requirement to be interested in their grandchildren - unless in this kind of scenario when parents (fathers) suddenly owe everything to their children. I agree they owe something - financial responsibility for children, medical background information etc. But not necessarily a full relationship with a grown up...

And honestly, if someone random in a suit showed up at my MIL's home tomorrow suggesting that my DH had a 6/8/10 year old daughter by his GF of 7/9/11 years ago - he would probably expect something a bit more "evidential" than that before shelling out maintenance payments or making significant enquiries. In the absence of any further more significant contact being pursued I suspect most people would probably all write that off to "trying it on" or a scam.

Jux · 02/03/2012 17:10

Things were very different 30 years ago. Men were still not really considered responsible for children, particularly if conceived outside marriage. The onus was still on the mother and if a dad was around that was a bonus. It was fairly standard to find single mothers with no money or input from the father at all. Men just dipped their wicks and wandered away. No social pressure to do anything different. The OP's dh is no different from most men back then. In fact, if you did step up and hand over money, a lot of people would say you had been unlucky, with much digging of elbows and guffawing.

Now, though, he needs to do something, even if it is just one conversation, and it seems he will be doing that.

Well done OP on persuading him.

chipmonkey · 02/03/2012 17:47

But sgb she didn't turn up without warning. She has tried to contact him by email and got nowhere. Fair dues to her for turning up, that took courage.

solidgoldbrass · 02/03/2012 17:59

I don't think it's brave or admirable to insist on turning up on the doorstep of someone who has refused to reply to your email ie made it clear that he doesn't want contact. It's pushy, intrusive and desperate.

chipmonkey · 02/03/2012 17:59

Adn I agree witht others that the inverted commas do not belong around the word "daughter"
In this instance, they belong around the word "father".

ImperialBlether · 02/03/2012 18:04

sgb, maybe she does feel desperate. Maybe there was a reason for that, eg medical reasons where she simply had to find out some facts, or she might have suffered from depression and felt abandoned by her father. How do we know?

I haven't been in that position, but give the poor woman the benefit of the doubt and accept that if she appeared to be desperate, she was, and that's not necessarily her fault.

noddyholder · 02/03/2012 18:11

Sgb I do think your whole attitude shows you are more affected than you think. My sister spent the first 40 years of her life tormented by this. She ate to fill the void and didn't even know it. Even though she didn't have the reaction to him she expected and was let down when she met him it cleared something in her and she eats normally now and is slimmer and healthier. She spent all those years dieting but this is what stopped her compulsion to eat. We are all different. I have never felt like her