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DV: Advice from someone who turned their R around (so worth it)

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Abitwobblynow · 06/02/2012 04:19

This is an extract from KIM COOPER's book 'Through the Looking Glass' It is available on download and you search narcissismcured.com The comment at the end is from her now-grown-up husband explaining things from his point of view and what her behaviour did for him.

Step 4. If he is Intimidating Call The Police
Again, when you call the police, don?t expect miracles or be overly emotional with them. If they ask what you want them to do, say, ?I want you to tell him what the consequences will be if he continues to intimidate/threaten/assault me.? If he runs away when the police come, you can still talk to them and make sure it is on record and that he knows you reported it. Still, you need to insist that they talk to him directly about the consequences of his behaviour. While they are talking to you, try to do it out of his earshot but where he can still see you, so he is left wondering what has been said. (Say, ?Can I talk to you over there?? and point to where you want to move the conversation). This is a really important point that the police taught me. One officer talked to me for twenty minutes, leaving Steve waiting where he could see us. He said, ?See, he is wondering now what we are talking about and let him wonder!?
You need to let him know that you will not tolerate emotional or physical intimidation and that he is going to have to deal with the consequences, not you. If you have already gone in to the police and spoken to the head of D.V. (domestic violence) it will help a lot. Just knowing this person?s name will make the police attending respect you better. In my case I got an AVO (apprehended violence order) on Steve (where he could still remain living with us) and this was very worthwhile. This was in Australia and I don?t know if they have something similar where you live but I hope so. Once the order is in place, if he intimidates or hits you again, he will go straight to jail. If he needs to go to jail to see you are serious about this boundary, so be it. You mustn?t try and protect him from the consequences of his bad behaviour.
The court brought us back three times on the assault charge that precipitated the order. I found this frustrating, but in retrospect it was important. Each time they said Steve was not ready and had to prepare better. This taught him that his bad treatment of me was more serious than he had thought. The male judge and police officers in the court room looked very disapproving and that helped too! Many men who mistreat their wives grew up with men who did the same, so Steve seeing these men who were respected and in authority really disapproved of his behaviour was a big wake up call. Their disapproval really sunk in and made a big change in him. The judge also thanked me for my time and even commented how nicely groomed I was. This might have been because I had made the effort to make friends with the police, but whatever reason it was a very good day for me. They made me feel very solid, strong and supported and showed Steve he was on shaky ground.
Some men whose wives assault them do not feel they can get the police to help. If this is your situation, I think it is important that you do. You do not have to play victim in court or with the police, but instead you might want to say that you are concerned about her behaviour and that she needs to learn it is not okay and that you do not want to be forced to restrain her or play policeman in your own home. The truth is that women, just like men, can be very scary and dangerous when they are violent.
The AVO helped us because Steve then knew that if he intimidated, threatened or hurt me again (and in his case one of the provisions of the order was that he could not drink at home or
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come home if he had been drinking) and I decided to call the police, he would be put straight in jail. This was important. He learned that he no longer had the upper hand and was not going to get away with sweet-talking anyone anymore. The power balance was now swinging in my favour.
If you can get a provision like this (that he can?t come home if he has been drinking, or something very easy to prove) in the AVO, it is really good, then it is not about the police taking sides. Once the AVO is in place, if you call and he is at home and has been drinking, he gets locked up, that?s it, no telling stories. He does not have the chance to charm anyone or provoke a fight, or confabulate and confuse things. I would still let Steve drink, but he knew there was a line in place and what would happen if he crossed it.
Fortunately, I never had to have Steve put in jail, but that was only because he knew I would call without hesitation if he ever tried to intimidate me again.
This will be a big disincentive to your partner continuing to disrespect you, but you have to be prepared to go through with it. Again, the only reason I didn?t have to have Steve put in jail was because he saw without a doubt I would do it. This is really important - as threats won?t work, he has to know you mean it, and that will probably involve you having the police over a few times. Don?t call them as a threat or because you are angry, call them if you feel you need protection. The sooner you do this and the calmer you are about it (?Honey, I don?t know how to handle you when you are like this so I think I am going to need to get the police here to talk to you?) the more effective this will be. You might also choose to quietly call first, then explain this, or he may try to stop you.
He might tell you he is not in control of his behaviour, but I am telling you that he only intimidates or puts people down who he thinks are weaker than he is. He?s not insulting big guys in bars, he makes decisions about who he can get away with this behaviour with. You need to become the wrong person for him to pick on.
This was quite troubling for me. The experience of court was horrible. I realised that I had made a terrible mistake and that the law was there to punish me. The D.V. officer from the police explained the terms of my Apprehended Violence Order and they were that I was to obey the terms or be thrown in jail. His words were simple and matter of fact, ?Prison is a tough place to survive.? That was enough for me, but I DID need to be told. Kim was sad the day we went to court, I could see that she was very disappointed that our relationship had come to this, but she kept a brave face and knew she was doing the right thing. This experience I will remember forever, and I cannot ever have my conviction for ?common assault? overturned. Society, through a magistrate, was able to make a statement to me that my behaviour was unacceptable. I had crossed a boundary that I obviously had no respect for. Steve

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swallowedAfly · 07/02/2012 10:54

who do you report websites to if you consider them dangerous/misleading etc?

SparkyDuchess · 07/02/2012 10:54

ABit, I don't know what's going on in your relationship that would make that particular piece of nonsense resonate, but it cannot be good.

Why on earth would you want to continue in a relationship with a man who gets joy from causing you pain? You can introduce 'sanctions' all you like, but you'll still end up living with a man who likes to cause you pain because he can - even if he holds himself back for fear of going to jail.

I'm troubled at how confused your thinking is, I really hope you're ok.

BTGTT · 07/02/2012 11:36

Speaking from experience, it is a much harder life staying in a DV relationship than being out of it. To have to deal with this on a daily basis swallows up your life; there's not much room left for anything else, and while you struggle on day-by-day, other people are getting on with their lives without being 'weighed down'. It's only when you're out of it that you know how much unnecessary CRAP you had to deal with on a daily basis JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR PARTNER.

solidgoldbrass · 07/02/2012 12:27

I can understand that some women in abusive relationships are desperate for something, anything, that will support their desire to stay; some hope that there is a magic button that will stop the abuse and bring back the lovely wonderful man they first started dating.
But unfortunately that lovely wonderful man was never real. It was a false persona and the abuser, having revealed his horrible true self, never reverts to 'normal' for any length of time.

BTGTT · 07/02/2012 16:53

Yes, the person is a fake.

garlicfrother · 07/02/2012 18:48

What the fucking fuck?? I haven't read all the pages of this thread.

I stopped X1 hitting me by setting firm boundaries, proving I was prepared to follow through, etc. I did not stop him moving onto psychological & emotional violence: a person who sees violence against herself as something worth working on hasn't got good enough values to recognise and avoid abuse.

When we split up, many hard-working years later, he tried to kill me.

ManicPanic · 07/02/2012 19:58

I've read it all, garlic, all I can say is head, meet desk Sad

MadameOvary · 07/02/2012 20:22

a person who sees violence against herself as something worth working on hasn't got good enough values to recognise and avoid abuse

Applauds garlicfrother

Excellent point.

edam · 07/02/2012 20:31

Good grief. Why is it so hard for so many people - women and men - to understand that it's the person who uses violence who is responsible for their actions?

If a man hit a complete stranger in the street, people wouldn't make excuses for him, or try to pretend it's all the stranger's fault. But when a man hits a woman he's supposed to love, somehow it's her fault and her job to sort it out. Why?

Beauty and the Beast isn't true - it's a fairy story, fgs. It's not the job of a woman to 'save' a bad man, especially not a bad man who is attempting to destroy her.

joblot · 07/02/2012 20:34

Good point well put edam

edam · 07/02/2012 20:37

Thanks, joblot. So depressing that it needs to be said at all, though!

cory · 07/02/2012 20:48

It is reassuring to reflect that many of the posters in the relationship section are women who have actually made the step of leaving their abusers- and who are much the better for it. Several of them are now in new relationships with men who do not hit them not because they are afraid of the police but because they do not want to hurt the woman they love.

How on earth would those women have been better off staying with men who wanted to hit them but didn't dare? Where is the benefit of living with someone who you know only refrains from violence because you have "become the wrong person for him to pick on"? Could you respect such a man? Enjoy his company? Feel proud of him? Feel that you were on the same wave-length? All the things you can have in a relationship with a decent man.

kens123 · 07/02/2012 20:49

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Chubfuddler · 07/02/2012 20:53

What the actual fuck? Do explain how feminists can stop domestic violence, I'm sure we'd all love to know.

garlicfrother · 07/02/2012 20:56

Ken, if I had the power to end DV, I'd have done it! But I suppose you're pushing an agenda here- and I'm not very interested in hearing it.

See what you mean, Manic!

glastocat · 07/02/2012 20:57

WTAF are you on about ken?

HoudiniHissy · 07/02/2012 20:58

Wtf? So is 2 women a week a made up number kens? Is it madreadfem propaganda?

Who gives a Fuck WHO brings up the actual fact that each week more than 2 women a wEek ARE killed by their partners.

It's true.

Men who feel they are entitled to snuff out the lives of their wives/girlfriends or exes should NEVER be allowed to think this murder is OK.

Don't politicise or attempt to radicalise a discussion that's trying to deal with a very common and real problem in the lives of what is thought to be 1 in 3 women.

garlicfrother · 07/02/2012 20:58

Thank you, Mme O.

AnyFucker · 07/02/2012 21:04

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AnyFucker · 07/02/2012 21:05

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HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 07/02/2012 21:10

ken - I am reading Gavin De Becker's Gift of Fear and he quotes that one woman every 2hrs is killed by their partner in the US. So that puts the UK figures into some perspective.

Not sure how feminists can stop DV? Surely the only people who can stop it are the perpetrators?

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OracleInaCoracle · 07/02/2012 21:25

Not to sound like an MRA but if you asked all this men why they killed their partner/ex-partner, you could bet many reasons would involve false dv allegations, unfair divorce asset splits and child custody disputes

well, as long as they had reasons!

do fuck off, there's a love.

Chubfuddler · 07/02/2012 21:28

False dv accusations? Not so false when he's actually, er, killed her are they?

blackoutthesun · 07/02/2012 21:29

Not to sound like an MRA but if you asked all this men why they killed their partner/ex-partner, you could bet many reasons would involve false dv allegations, unfair divorce asset splits and child custody disputes

oh well then thats ok Hmm nice bit of victim blaming going on there