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DV: Advice from someone who turned their R around (so worth it)

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Abitwobblynow · 06/02/2012 04:19

This is an extract from KIM COOPER's book 'Through the Looking Glass' It is available on download and you search narcissismcured.com The comment at the end is from her now-grown-up husband explaining things from his point of view and what her behaviour did for him.

Step 4. If he is Intimidating Call The Police
Again, when you call the police, don?t expect miracles or be overly emotional with them. If they ask what you want them to do, say, ?I want you to tell him what the consequences will be if he continues to intimidate/threaten/assault me.? If he runs away when the police come, you can still talk to them and make sure it is on record and that he knows you reported it. Still, you need to insist that they talk to him directly about the consequences of his behaviour. While they are talking to you, try to do it out of his earshot but where he can still see you, so he is left wondering what has been said. (Say, ?Can I talk to you over there?? and point to where you want to move the conversation). This is a really important point that the police taught me. One officer talked to me for twenty minutes, leaving Steve waiting where he could see us. He said, ?See, he is wondering now what we are talking about and let him wonder!?
You need to let him know that you will not tolerate emotional or physical intimidation and that he is going to have to deal with the consequences, not you. If you have already gone in to the police and spoken to the head of D.V. (domestic violence) it will help a lot. Just knowing this person?s name will make the police attending respect you better. In my case I got an AVO (apprehended violence order) on Steve (where he could still remain living with us) and this was very worthwhile. This was in Australia and I don?t know if they have something similar where you live but I hope so. Once the order is in place, if he intimidates or hits you again, he will go straight to jail. If he needs to go to jail to see you are serious about this boundary, so be it. You mustn?t try and protect him from the consequences of his bad behaviour.
The court brought us back three times on the assault charge that precipitated the order. I found this frustrating, but in retrospect it was important. Each time they said Steve was not ready and had to prepare better. This taught him that his bad treatment of me was more serious than he had thought. The male judge and police officers in the court room looked very disapproving and that helped too! Many men who mistreat their wives grew up with men who did the same, so Steve seeing these men who were respected and in authority really disapproved of his behaviour was a big wake up call. Their disapproval really sunk in and made a big change in him. The judge also thanked me for my time and even commented how nicely groomed I was. This might have been because I had made the effort to make friends with the police, but whatever reason it was a very good day for me. They made me feel very solid, strong and supported and showed Steve he was on shaky ground.
Some men whose wives assault them do not feel they can get the police to help. If this is your situation, I think it is important that you do. You do not have to play victim in court or with the police, but instead you might want to say that you are concerned about her behaviour and that she needs to learn it is not okay and that you do not want to be forced to restrain her or play policeman in your own home. The truth is that women, just like men, can be very scary and dangerous when they are violent.
The AVO helped us because Steve then knew that if he intimidated, threatened or hurt me again (and in his case one of the provisions of the order was that he could not drink at home or
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come home if he had been drinking) and I decided to call the police, he would be put straight in jail. This was important. He learned that he no longer had the upper hand and was not going to get away with sweet-talking anyone anymore. The power balance was now swinging in my favour.
If you can get a provision like this (that he can?t come home if he has been drinking, or something very easy to prove) in the AVO, it is really good, then it is not about the police taking sides. Once the AVO is in place, if you call and he is at home and has been drinking, he gets locked up, that?s it, no telling stories. He does not have the chance to charm anyone or provoke a fight, or confabulate and confuse things. I would still let Steve drink, but he knew there was a line in place and what would happen if he crossed it.
Fortunately, I never had to have Steve put in jail, but that was only because he knew I would call without hesitation if he ever tried to intimidate me again.
This will be a big disincentive to your partner continuing to disrespect you, but you have to be prepared to go through with it. Again, the only reason I didn?t have to have Steve put in jail was because he saw without a doubt I would do it. This is really important - as threats won?t work, he has to know you mean it, and that will probably involve you having the police over a few times. Don?t call them as a threat or because you are angry, call them if you feel you need protection. The sooner you do this and the calmer you are about it (?Honey, I don?t know how to handle you when you are like this so I think I am going to need to get the police here to talk to you?) the more effective this will be. You might also choose to quietly call first, then explain this, or he may try to stop you.
He might tell you he is not in control of his behaviour, but I am telling you that he only intimidates or puts people down who he thinks are weaker than he is. He?s not insulting big guys in bars, he makes decisions about who he can get away with this behaviour with. You need to become the wrong person for him to pick on.
This was quite troubling for me. The experience of court was horrible. I realised that I had made a terrible mistake and that the law was there to punish me. The D.V. officer from the police explained the terms of my Apprehended Violence Order and they were that I was to obey the terms or be thrown in jail. His words were simple and matter of fact, ?Prison is a tough place to survive.? That was enough for me, but I DID need to be told. Kim was sad the day we went to court, I could see that she was very disappointed that our relationship had come to this, but she kept a brave face and knew she was doing the right thing. This experience I will remember forever, and I cannot ever have my conviction for ?common assault? overturned. Society, through a magistrate, was able to make a statement to me that my behaviour was unacceptable. I had crossed a boundary that I obviously had no respect for. Steve

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PiranhaMorgana · 07/02/2012 21:30

I remember when I was pg with dc 5 .She was unplanned and I had been alone with 4dc for some time (doing very well,too).
I was very worried about our future, and desperate to find a way to "make it work" with the pitiful excuse for a man who impregnated me my (now)xp.
I desperately read everything I could about "helping" abusive cunts troubled men to change,and believed I could "save him" with my unending support,love and the "insight" I gained from reading shit advice like this.

As a result,my dc witnessed his increasingly controlling and emotionally abusive behaviour towards me,and - worse - experienced their mum attempt to "normalise" abuse in the name of "helping" the "father" of their unborn sibling,and desperately tying to hold onto our "relationship".

As my pregnancy progressed,and as I became more "practised" in my supportive,boundary setting,the abuse developed from verbal and emotional to physical.Culminating in him pushing me down steps into the snow and kicking me in the crotch 3 weeks before I gave birth.Even then,I told no one,as I thought we were really making progress in his "recovery".

I didn't do the right thing until the midwife told me she would be informing the police ,having witnessed him shouting at me in his "normal" way the day I returned from Hospital with baby dd. She also told me that I would be complicit in the abuse of my dc if I allowed him back into the house.

We have no contact now.

Dangerous,dangerous advice.

kens123 · 07/02/2012 21:30

Come now, no need for such hostility. I didn't mean to offend

My point is, the numbers would drop if laws changed. Feminists have managed to influence a change in laws, it can be done again. There'll never be a utopia, people will still hit each other for other reasons

OracleInaCoracle · 07/02/2012 21:32

Yeah, I'll show her, lying about abuse, by... Killing her.

The logic of a psychopath, people.

cory · 07/02/2012 21:32

which laws in particular, kens?

blackoutthesun · 07/02/2012 21:33

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kens123 · 07/02/2012 21:35

Issues because I raise a valid point?

OracleInaCoracle · 07/02/2012 21:36

And, of course its in the childs best interests to be left with someone capable of murdering their mother...

OracleInaCoracle · 07/02/2012 21:38

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cory · 07/02/2012 21:44

Not to sound like an MRA but if you asked all this men why they killed their partner/ex-partner, you could bet many reasons would involve false dv allegations, unfair divorce asset splits and child custody disputes

I wonder if these men never encounter unfairness in any other area of their lives: in the workplace, in the neighbourhood, among friends

and yet they usually don't try to get round unfairness in the workplace by murdering their workmates or even their boss- the number of people who get murdered by their employees is very low

even in your example of divorce asset splits and custody cases, presumably the decision will have been taken by some kind of judge, not by the woman: so why is it not the judge who gets murdered?

only one explanation that I can think of

solidgoldbrass · 07/02/2012 21:45

What laws do you want changed, Kennybaby? If you think there should be immediate and longterm prison sentences for men who assault or kill their families, I'd be right with you.

glastocat · 07/02/2012 21:46

What point would that be ken?

blackoutthesun · 07/02/2012 21:46

so where is this valid point then ken?

SardineQueen · 07/02/2012 21:47
swallowedAfly · 07/02/2012 22:11

not going to engage with the murdered women were asking for it shite.

what i was going to say was say you do get the man to realise you're the wrong person to pick and who does he turn to next? your children? are they the right person to pick on? because chances are they won't phone the police and can be made to be afraid to tell anyone including you so they're the right person to pick on next for the abuser.

AsdaFudgeyCal · 07/02/2012 22:21

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Onesunnymorningin2012 · 07/02/2012 22:25

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AnyFucker · 07/02/2012 22:32

how interesting that my post got deleted but the one that says women who get killed deserve it is allowed to stand ?

Jux · 07/02/2012 22:43

AF, I missed what you said then. Any chance of, er, reiterating it?

AnyFucker · 07/02/2012 22:44

nah, Jux, it wasn't anything profound Grin

AnyFucker · 07/02/2012 22:48

it does appear that MNHQ are getting wise to the "roundabout" way of making a personal attack, that isn't a personal attack, but is really

no matter that I think ken's comments are a personal attack on all women but there ya go

who am I to decide ?

< waves to HQ >

Jux · 07/02/2012 23:00

I hate this deleting of messages. If you're going to delete a post then delete judiciously, not the one which just happens to be the one which was reported.

Anyway, Ken, you are Message deleted by Mumsnet.

blackoutthesun · 07/02/2012 23:02

so why are kens comments still allowed?

edam · 07/02/2012 23:02

Kens, please explain, if a man kills his partner, how on earth can you reach the conclusion that a previous claim of domestic violence was false?

When you add 2 plus 2, do you usually make it 0?

garlicfrother · 07/02/2012 23:03

It seems a tad unfair, since no-one here is going to say "men" are murderers, but Ken (who is presumably "a man") can say women deserve to be murdered by men.

Which is quite an alarming statement. There's no way I'd want to tar all men with such a psychopathic brush!

AnyFucker · 07/02/2012 23:05

because they are a general attack on women, but not an attack on an individual

I suppose if he said "that woman Sylvia deserved to get killed by her husband because she played funny buggers with his wide screen telly" then maybe they would delete that