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If it weren't for ds

111 replies

meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 12:46

If it weren't for ds, sometimes feel it would be better to end it all.
Things awful atm (see other thread). Feel so trapped and so wish if i left h i would never have to see him again. But of course that can't happen because ds would still see him at least every other weekend. Part of me still loves him i think, but the whole relationship makes me so sad. Never regret having ds as he is the most totally adorable little boy and am amazed by the intensity of my love for him. I guess all mums are the same

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meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 21:15

I think it hurts even more becuase we'd only talked about his door banging/swearing a few weeks ago, and then he does it again the day after the op.

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meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 21:59

Jus wondered if anyone else is there?

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AnyFucker · 04/02/2012 22:03

I am here

meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 22:15

Hi AF :) Just feeling so low and starting to wonder if i'm being ott about it all. If i hadn't accused him of lying, then he wouldn't have shouted, sworn etc

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AnyFucker · 04/02/2012 22:19

you can't live like that though, can you ?

if he lies, you need to be able to call it

if you have to STFU in the face of his childishness, what sort of life is that ?

a life where your opinion means nothing is no life at all

meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 22:23

I know. But maybe putting up with it would be the easier alternative. i've no job, not worked for 6 years (stopped to have ds), hated the industry i ws in before and wasn't much good at it, would have no help with childcare after school & holidays. maybe i'd be swapping one lot os worries for another. No money worries at all atm

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AnyFucker · 04/02/2012 22:28

it's your choice, love

only you know what you can tolerate

if you decided you couldn't tolerate it, you wouldn't be the first woman to start again

you would get help from the state, and he would be impelled to support the dc

it's hard, but it's possible, as thousands and thousand of women will attest

you also wouldn't be the fiirst woman to bury your own self respect to stay in a sub-standard relationship like this

the Uk is full of women who decided that having a crap relationship was better than having no relationship, and tried to tell themselves it was "for the children"

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meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 22:33

Sorry, yes i know it's my choice. Just helps to talk it through. I can be so emotional and do over think things at times. I just want to make sure if i do leave i'm not being silly. Some posters on my other thread seemed to think i was being ott. So hard coping with him being like this after the op - makes it 10 times worse. I mentioned to a couple of friends in RL and they were quite angry at him for ranting at me just after surgery

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AnyFucker · 04/02/2012 22:42

Don't be sorry. I know you are thinking aloud. As am I. I gave you my take on some of the replies you got on your other thread about the people who simply do not understand how debilitating and insidious emotional abuse can be.

meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 22:48

Thanks :) I just had a look on the entitled to website. i might just about be ok based on what it calculated providing h pays maintenance too

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AnyFucker · 04/02/2012 22:50

Inform yourself, love

Information is power

it gives you choices

meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 22:52

I still remember the first time h ranted and swore at me. i was teasing him about other girils in the office he might find attractive, and questioned him a bt about one as he said she sometimes looked nice, but another time before he'd been quite derogatory about her. he sauddnely lost it - told me to "shut the fuck up, you nutter - you're trying to trap me" I was stunned, then hysterical...

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AnyFucker · 04/02/2012 22:53
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meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 22:56

I know. This was over 10 years ago. There were alot of signs, but i chose to ignore them. One in particular was that i used to smoke socially. He didn't like it. One eve when i was looking for my cigarettes, he told me he's thrown them away becuase it wasn't good for me. True it wasn't good for me

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maras2 · 04/02/2012 23:03

Is this the person who said that your child's trousers looked sexy? If not I'm very sorry but if it was,why the heck are you still with him? You've had months of good advice from people.

AnyFucker · 04/02/2012 23:03

It isn't up to me to put suggestions in your head, love

But it sounds like you need to have a good chat with a friend/family member/counsellor about how you are seeing your relationship with new eyes x

dollymixtures · 04/02/2012 23:05

Just read your other thread and I don't have much to add to what AF and others have said, but you sound so low I didn't want to read and run.

I'll be honest, when I started reading your other thread I did think you were overreacting a bit. Until I realised how much he frightened you and how much he didn't care. If I told my DP that he frightened me he would be mortified, apologetic and determined to put things right. He wouldn't put the blame back onto me at all because he's not an abusive twat.

You mention real life friends being angry at him, have you asked them what they honestly think of him? Often our friends see things more clearly than we realise...

ThePinkPussycat · 04/02/2012 23:08

I did stay, because I truly didn't realise what was going on, and kept thinking 'things will be better when we have enough money/I'm working/he's working more (or at all, sometimes)/the kids are older and we can go out together'. Plus having mh issues I thought a lot came from me - am an underachiever par excellence, fantastic student, extremely intelligent [ahem], an academic in outlook, get depressed if working, fall out with seniors if working, couldn't keep house together (he didn't help much even when I pleaded).

Have two lovely young adult kids, sadly they blame me for divorce as I have hidden the fact he has hardly worked, and there are my mh problems and the fact that I self-medicated with cannabis. Luckily they have a work ethic and are both in full time work. Sadly, although they love me, they don't have as much respect as I would like, and refused to do tasks around the house (they learned that from him).

It has not all been bad, I have had some very good times over the years, not so many with him though. And now I am divorcing him.

meandmypickle · 04/02/2012 23:22

Dolly, thank you. You see that's what i'd hope for - that if someone knew they'd frightened me, they'd be genuinly sorry. I remember an an once swore quite fiercly - not direcly at me (he was trying to instal our washing machine and was having big problems with it). I told him i really didn't like his language - he never did it again, however angry, upset or frustrated he got

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DioneTheDiabolist · 04/02/2012 23:30

OP, if it was not for my DS I would never have contact with my ExH.

But I do. And although I lost everything when I left him, it was the best decision I have ever made. I loved him. He was good as long as things were done his way. But life and relationships cannot be conducted in such a way.

I left because it became harder and harder. I too was hospitalized and had an operation. He was not supportive. It was all about him. His fear, his needs, what he wanted. It was never about me or our family.

As time went on, his demands became greater and greater, it became increasingly obvious that we would never be a priority to him. I stopped loving him, but I didn't leave because I had hope. Eventually reality kicked in. Strangers were more considerate than he was. If I had a lodger instead of a husband, I would have had more support. Actually, if I were on my own I would have had more support.

Each day I was with him part of me was being crushed. I had to leave while there was still enough of me left. So I did. But there wasn't much of me left. Just enough to keep breathing and keep DS clean, fed and loved.

4 years later and I am me again. DS is thriving. It hasn't been easy, but it's easier than dying bit by bit everyday. We are happy. I am now in the third year of my degree. I mean fuck me pink, I never thought myself capable of such a thing, but I've done it. DS loves his dad and they still have contact. It has not been easy but it has been possible.

I will not tell you to leave him, but I will say that I am glad that I left him. DS and I can BE without fear.

And still eat, are warm and have a roof over our head.Grin

dollymixtures · 05/02/2012 00:10

There is lots of good advice on here and on your other thread, please think about what those with experience of similar situations are saying because something has to change doesn't it? It does not sound like a happy house and there's a little boy stuck in it Sad

I'm signing off for tonight, hope you have a peaceful night.

Lueji · 05/02/2012 02:27

My ex was (is) exactly like that.

Thankfully I hadn't been seriously ill, but every time I needed support, he failed miserably. In fact he always made it worse and more difficult. All about him. Still is.

I know when I stopped loving him. It's when I stopped calling him by a pet name. Eventually, I avoided him, he felt he was losing control and became physically violent.

DS and I are doing much better on our own, even when ex is being a prick. :-)

Leave before things become worse for you.
You must do it for your children.

meandmypickle · 05/02/2012 19:59

Thanks for all your replies. Its been another miserable day - just speaking when necessary.
Maybe this will help me to leave - yes w've been through lots of bad times. But this is soooo hurtful and basically throws back everything we've talked about. Yes, i was wrong to accuse him, and i could have accepted an irritated response. However to rant, swear and bang doors (just weeks after discussing the impact of it) the day after surgery is pretty awful. Also to show no remorse, and justify the behaviour and therefore make my convalescence more difficult is so hurtful. I don't think i can or want to get past this, with him

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AnyFucker · 05/02/2012 20:50

your feelings are valid, love

take care x

meandmypickle · 05/02/2012 21:01

Thanks AF :)
I've just been reading some of the other posters stories on here though - and mine seems so trivial in comparison. Maybe I'm expecting too much ?

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