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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - New Year, New Start, The Journey So Far.........

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Mouseface · 28/01/2012 15:33

Hello, I'm Mouse Smile

Welcome. There are all kinds of lovely Babes on board this Bus, drinkers, non-drinkers, part-time drinkers and those who have no idea what they are when it comes to drinking. Some are newer posters and some have been here forever for a little while. Wink

Come and say hi, there are no rules, no 'must haves', just plenty of open and honest support.

You can talk about whatever you like. Your life, your love or even your laundry. We've seen it all! Grin

The important thing is that you can post if you want to, or not if you don't. There are posters in AA and posters who are using medication to beat The Booze and of course posters who are just trying to cut their drinking down with the support of The Bus and the people around them.

See where we've been so far by following this ---> LINK TO PREVIOUS THREADS HERE

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SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 02/02/2012 21:20

Welcome Wolf Smile

Wow, what a first post! And what a life so far... This is a new start for you. Let's make this a happy, healthy and calm chapter in your life. It sounds as though you have done an incredible job raising your son, in such difficult circumstances. Be proud of yourself for that, but now try and be kind to yourself and look after your health and your state of mind. I hope you will find this thread as helpful as I do. Use it in whatever way helps you. I look forward to getting to know you Smile

Hope everyone's doing OK tonight. How are you Ma? You sound fed up with it all Sad. Have you ever stopped drinking for long enough to experience the boing? It's such a shame it doesn't happen on Day 1 or Day 2 but once you feel that great, boingy boingness (Grin) it makes it so much easier to not go back to heavy, daily drinking. Hope you're doing OK anyway.

Well I'm cream-crackered. Off to bed in a mo. Sleep well Babes x

dementedma · 02/02/2012 21:28

sss not really. i can't get that far.
fuzzy I understand. Really I do.
Failed again tonight. 3 glasses, not pissed. But still failed.

WolfinSheepsClothing · 02/02/2012 21:31

Dear Mouseface, thurso1 and sarahRT

How truly wonderful to hear from you. I realise I have been slipping for a very long time after the 15 year abuse of the father and then the pressure of raising my son (and then his quitting Uni in 2008 and living at home ever since, contemplating his navel and getting up at 3pm)). He also had terrible teenage depression and I had to pull him out of school as I was not sure of his state of mind... and a mild form of gynaecomastia (man boobs) which stopped him from making friends completely and having a normal social life, especailly girls) and thank God, after 10 years, he plucked up to have the op last year and is 100% normal, but still sits at home in front of his laptop starting an internet business.

But in all those 15 years after I escaped, he only had me, and I knew it. I even had to make an appointment with my physio to ask him to stand as Executor of my will because I had nobody! And suddenly, when my son came back home after the Uni fiasco (because of the drink and drugs culture - and he really does neither at all!) , I think that was the beginning of my major slide. Total stagnation, and I had no purpose anymore (although I have always had projects on the go, I have worked from home). He has not left the house for 3 years.. I am never on my own in my own space - ever. He is always there as a silent presence. And for a solitary mother to watch her son turn from a boy into a man has profound psychological effects on her femininity - exactly as I turned 50 I questioned who I was because of this.

Suddenly, I instinctively hid my natural sexuality in case it was inappropriate..e.g. sexy bras on the line, panties hanging on the bathroom radiator I was careful what I said on the phone to girlfriends about men - I felt watched (although I am sure this was my sense of paranoia). I did not know how I should talk to him as an adult, although we have always been 100% open with each other from Day 1 in 1996 when I left his father.

Of course, this does nothing for your self-confidence when you are redefining yourself in fear with the inevitable hormonal changes in your 50s. More booze.

So I realised I have to leave - I could never throw him out after all this, we have become One in that sense, but my boundaries became blurred when I was terrified about his depression. So I drank to find the strength to support him, and completely obliterated my needs as a woman as I did with his father.

You know, I read Eric Clapton's autobio last autumn, and I always remember the part where his young son, Conor, fell out of that highrise to his death. Everybody assumed he would fall off the wagon and drink to the excesses he did as a rock musician, and all that industry's pressures. He didn't. He stayed sober, and said he did it in the memory of his son and has done since he first quit. When you read something like that, you think "Who am I to worry?"

Mouseface- I too believe I will make it. But I have to get away from the pressures that caused it in the first place. My old mother has early dementia and I am her Power of Attorney too! I found a carer for her, so that has been taken out of my hands, and I can do eveything from my laptop in Italy. Have a quiet and peaceful evening too, dear friends. Love to you all xx

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 02/02/2012 21:37

Hi Fuzzy. It's hard isn't it? But then you know how worth it it is too. So is loneliness your main trigger do you think? Do you live by yourself? Can you think of anything you can do to help with the loneliness? I plan in advance strategies to deal with my triggers (mine are anxiety and stress), and I work hard during the day to prevent the triggers building up to such a level that I crave the drink. Obviously you can't stop shit happening but I can certainly reduce my day to day tension.

I struggle with the ODAAT philosophy too (although it obviously really helps lots of people). I have just done a month without a drink (me! who'd have thought it Grin). I think I needed that goal of a full month. A few days wasn't long enough. If I was planning to have a drink at the weekend then what's the big deal if I have one on Thursday instead... Thursday becomes Wednesday etc.. And I can't cope with the thought of never drinking again Blush so a month seemed like a decent compromise. I guess we're all different and different strategies work for different people. Anyway, keep posting. That's a good sign of your determination to do another 4 years alcohol-free Smile.

bibbitybobbityhat · 02/02/2012 21:42

Oh fuzzy! Please don't panic, its ok, nothing is lost, nothing has happened that can't be put right.

MsGee · 02/02/2012 22:00

Quick post as DD about to make her nightly run into my bed ... But I made it. I really freaking wanted some wine but I kept telling myself I could have it - but to wait ten minutes to see if I really really wanted it. It worked.

Huge relief.

Am still figuring everyone out - apologies for ME post.

Fairenuff · 02/02/2012 22:11

fuzzy by falling off the bus you have learned something - that you really don't want to drink. Some of us actually do want to drink but just not to the extent that we used to. And some of us want to drink but realise that we can't. So knowing that you want to stop is a really positive sign.

just no debating or thinking about it. It was just i literally woke up one day and said, that is it - I think this is the key. Don't think about the weekend. When you wake in the morning, make that decision. Really, mean it. Then, use all the strategies you know to stop yourself picking up that first drink.

If you're lonely, what about AA. Did you find meetings that would suit you? If not, maybe look a bit further afield. And there is usually someone here every evening, even if we're not posting much, send out an sos message and someone will be happy to chat with you Smile.

< waves to MsGee Smile >

HueyMorganismyboyfriend · 02/02/2012 22:37

Hi lovely babes, hope you are well.

fuzzy don't beat yourself up! Clamber aboard and get back in your seat! Baby steps is what you need. Be kind to yourself in those early days and take it hour by hour with the old bus for company!

Hello wolf nice to meet you I'm a relative newbie too. Always had a taste for booze, spectacularly fell off the wagon last year which was horrendous.

I too have been a single mum to a precious son, and he is the reason I have not been drinking. I owe it to. Him. He is on the cusp of being a young man (15) I left my abusive relationship last year having spent 7 years complelely alone. I had to show him that our lives then were not acceptable. My drinking and my expartner's unreasonable behaviour.

Drink has taken everything from me apart from him. So at 35 years old I want my chance to do things right.

Loneliness is hard and so easy to use a few cheeky drinks as a coping mecanism. fuzzy are your dc's old enough to be left?? I can now do more thimgs now he is older, I swim and I am hoping to do some voluntary work to meet some new folk who only know the sober and sorted me. Take time out for yourself. I used to set myself little tasks such as painting my nails or emailing an old friend so that I didn't feel so alone. It is hard and I do empathise.

I hope all you other babes are chilled and happy! And thanks for the drink suggestions, think a shopping trip is in order. On Sat night some friends and our kids are having a Mocktail night with crushed ice and little parasols. The works!

Will be a laugh if nothing else!
mouse I thought of you today at Zumba think we had the cocoon fraternity in too :) xxx

Well valerian tea and bed for me

Night babes and sleep well Xxxxxx

Silver66 · 02/02/2012 23:28

ma (((()))) my love xx

Isindie - getting a tad annoyed now Grin where are you?????

Hi wolf

Vair Vair tired

sleepsville xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

swallowedAfly · 03/02/2012 07:20

fuzzy - come on here, call a friend, start a thread in MH, etc. do something that addresses that i am feeling lonely and seeks to meet that need. drinking doesn't of course, it just seeks to drown that need or make it easier to ignore. so the need gets deeper. whereas if you reach out you do something about the loneliness itself. just thoughts.

do you know the HALT thing - it's what some recommend you do before you drink - it stands for hungry, angry, lonely, tired. you identify what it is you're really feeling (and calling i need a drink) and then you do something to deal with that feeling (which drinking doesn't).

alcohol free yesterday and intend to be today too. and amazingly i cut down to one cup of coffee yesterday Shock will resist telling you about my bowel progress Wink

welcome aboard Wolf.

hello to everyone - happy friday Smile

helpyourself · 03/02/2012 07:47

Welcome Everbody and warmest bouncy vibes that we all have a calm and sober Friday.

I am positively fizzing with anger and frustration- crappy family stuff that would have had me hiding on the wrong side of a bottle of wine or three.

Grrr. But horrible as it is I know that's not the answer, that I'll work through it, and that there is nothing that will impinge on my sobriety.

ODAAT.

X

Cristiane · 03/02/2012 08:29

Thank you everyone, a bit late to come back with individual replies, but will give it a go

santa i've downloaded a buddhify app which is fantastic for grounding me and doing some meditation

Bibbity praying that this depression is not contagious! I'm looking forward to having someone else look after DH

boss show idea is great

SaFly hadn't heard of CPNs, would they prevent DH from looking after my DDs on Fridays though? that is the one day he has full responsibility

mouse people do know but frankly my mother will promise the world but not deliver. So i would rather not count on her. I do tell people, but in a way I suppose I find it hard to let them know exactly because I feel if I start telling the full story I will just DISSOLVE into a PUDDLE OF TEARS. I have to keep myself going.

SSSM there is an M&S near my work, will stock up on some ready meals

bproud and venus thank you for your kind messages too, and anyone else I have missed

DH leaves tomorrow v early. His moods are zipping around like crazy, from 1/10 on Wednesday to 16/10 yesterday. It's exhausting.

Welcome wolf and twoteens

helpyourself chin up, back on the bus

isinde WHERE are you darling?

demented I am sorry you are feeling this way

helpyourself · 03/02/2012 09:14

Don't worry,Cristiane I didn't get off the bus.

Once my toolkit for dealing with problems only contained a shiny sharp hammer called alcohol, that always splintered and cut me badly, only to miraculously reappear all sparkly and attractive. I now have a plethora of useful tools: this bus, self awareness, meetings, friends to call, and a guilt free mind to analyse and face problems and see my part in a situation.

I don't think the hammer is even there any more, and I certainly don't want to check it out.

venusandmars · 03/02/2012 09:18

Hi to all, and welcome wolf. wolf there was one phrase in your first post which struck me - you said that you wouldn't have got through the past x number of years without alcohol. Can I encourage you to have a little think about that one? Of course, of course you have managed amzingly well, coped with lots of stuff, and alcohol was your crutch through many difficult times. But if you start to believe that alcohol was your friend or your only help, then maybe alcohol has tricked you. It was ONE way to get through those years but it was not the only way, and maybe in its insidious way, relying on alcohol and becoming so self sufficient, it prevented you from taking this step earlier, stopped you from reaching out to others, stopped you from exploring your real self without alcohol? But who knows about the past, we can't rewrite history, we can't change the facts of what we have done in our lives. But I do believe that as we go forward, we CAN shine some light and truth on some of the mis-beliefs that we have been holding.

For a long time I believed that I worked better under pressure, that having a deadline made me more creative. I also believed that having a glass of wine in my hand as I wrote an important report made me simultaneously more alert and relaxed. So you can imagine the scene - me working frantically and manically at 2am to finish something that was already overdue for an important client, already a bottle of wine down (and the rest Blush), insanely believing that I was turning out some kind of creative masterpiece. When I look at that in honesty, I can see it was a crock of shit. I was disorganised, unreliable, and hanging on by the skin of my teeth.

I now do most of my best, and creative work in the morning, sober of course, and yes, this time I really do think some of it's quite good. Smile

So if the script that you run about your life has lots of 'certainties' in it - like I need a drink to relax, or I need a drink to overcome my shyness, or whatever, it can be quite interesting to explore whether that really is as true as we have come to believe.

Have a good day all. I'm off to be creative and organised Grin

swallowedAfly · 03/02/2012 09:45

hey lovely venus Smile

yes, i think it's worth considering wolf that if you weren't buffering everything and repressing your feelings and reactions with alcohol through that time you may well have acted sooner.

it's like with fuzzy saying about drinking due to loneliness - the drinking doesn't do anything about the loneliness it just numbs or blanks it out for a while. alcohol as a response to problems does absolutely nothing about the problems themselves. without the alcohol one might DO something about the feelings/problems instead. feelings and problems need responses, that's what they're there for, to tell us things need changing, doing etc. stuffing them down with alcohol just keeps us paralysed in our problems imo and prolongs them.

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jesuswhatnext · 03/02/2012 10:35

boing!!! Grin

hello you loony lot! Grin been away for a few days, got my wedding outfit!! Grin sage green taffeta fabric, tight dress with ruching on the bodice and a boxy jacket, now got to find shoes and bag! Confused Grin

fuzzy, i can safely say that drink only ever MADE me lonely, it never ever cured it!

wolf, you say that you could not have got through your 'wilderness years' without booze, im not being harsh but i honestly think that you cannot possibly know this for fact, or course, its too late to go back and test the theory, but i do believe that if you hang on to that belif you could well be scuppering any chance to becoming sober now, people can and do get through the most horrendous situations without ever picking up a bottle and so can we! so can you! dont keep looking back, dont over think everything, all that does is keep all that negativity close to you, try and throw it away, look forward, look forward, look forward!! Smile

swallowedAfly · 03/02/2012 11:47

love sage green Smile though i don't think i could wear it so am thinking about painting it on the walls instead. what colour shoes and bag are you thinking jwn? i cannot think of when i last wore an, 'outfit' and wouldn't know where to start Blush

well done on pouring the rest away twoteens - it is an answer! if you hadn't you could well have just gone on repeat this evening. pouring it away made both a statement and removed an all too easy opportunity to drink again.

HippoPottyMouth · 03/02/2012 12:02

twoteens that is excellent though, isn't it. It's great that you only drank half of it, realised you didn't need the rest and chucked it. Don't stress about the fact that you had some, be v proud you didn't have it all (and last week I think you probably would have just drank it all? correct me if i'm wrong!)

I think you could maybe have an aim of a sober month - it's early feb, so how about trying for the rest of feb sober? This is how I started in jan (on the 2nd..) then I was going to see how I felt near the end of the month to see how I felt about what to do next. I didn't actually make the whole of january as I went out last weekend, BUT, it has not fazed me, I'm determined not to drink in the house again and as my social life is crap, drinking occasionally when I go out is not a big issue, but it is something I would like to stop and is my ultimate aim. One step at a time though.

So how about that for starters?

Fuzzy - I would say exactly the same to you. I know I am the same with the one day at a time thing. It is great to think that morning, well only today to focus on, BUT I do have to have a bigger aim as well, so the month, say else I would just have been counting down to when I could next drink, rather than the more positive aspects.
Also, drinking only at weekends is not an option for me, as then thursdays and sundays rapidly become 'the weekend', , then mondays tuesdays and wednesdays... so I had to rule that out in my head completely.

Try the month and see how you feel - it's only a short month ;)

jesuswhatnext · 03/02/2012 12:07

well saf, nows theres a question! Grin shoes and bag? - im going to look in the shoe gallery in selfridges, every brand you can think of with a good price range, i have seen some MIU MIU mules in this months vogue that i rather like, (it is a special occasion afterall! Grin) i cant decide on pale and interesting or full on in your face colour though! Grin

also agree with you about twoteens, pouring away that wine was a statement, quite a powerful one! its something that many people couldnt dream of doing, give yourself some credit!

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HippoPottyMouth · 03/02/2012 13:07

ooh yes, not drinking alone is a good start then.

The thing to try and get your head around though, is that you are not depriving yourself by not having a drink, it is actually a great feeling to go to bed sober and then wake up not feeling like shit or worrying that you said something stupid.
That's part of the problem with weekend only drinking - you are constantly reinforcing the idea that drinking is a good thing to do; a treat for the weekend, and waiting for friday, so the booze is dominating your thoughts even on sober days. then you think you deserve a treat on a tuesday for some reason, and so it goes.

I agree though, a friday night when your friends are coming for a planned boozy weekend is probably not the best time to start a sober month Wink
If you think on though, at certain points during the weekend, have a think if you are actually enjoying yourself because of the wine or because of the friends. What is the wine actually doing for you?

dementedma · 03/02/2012 13:18

twoteens well done on stopping and giving the rest to the sink.
I have manged to do that a few times and although you feel annoyed for starting it in the first place, it is great to be able to stop and tip the rest away.

WolfinSheepsClothing · 03/02/2012 13:39

Hello Everybody

Twoteens .. Well done! As for feeling cross with yourself, we all know it, but don't be. You did so incredibly well in not drinking the bottle. If you knew how many litres of wine the sewers have received over the years from my kitchen (s), I would be done for cruelty to rats, although I doubt they'd complain! I can't tell you how many times I have emptied my store cupboard of new bottles in disgust and chucked them, only to go out and buy some more the following day. Sunday Times Wine Club sounded so fab, except I drank more in brand new glasses, taking the bottles with aplomb and savouring the 'bouquet'. Ha! B...ks. Apologies for the vernacular.

Everybody who took time to comment - thank you so much. I am very aware that the choices I made to cope in the last 30 years were deluded around the need for alcohol as the only way. And it did and has made me feel insane in being unable to cope, so I kept running. I can't change any of that, it's the way it was. What matters to me is this day onwards, and that I fill this empty shell of what was..Life comes in chapters, and this upcoming one is for me.

Ma - Are you all right today?
Fuzzy - Hang in there, and get back on board - your seat's still warm.

Snowing again...won't be able to fly back to London next Saturday.

helpyourself · 03/02/2012 13:51

Hi all, well done on pouring the rest of the wine away twoteens.

Am in a buggery spin today. My sponsor has suggested, very gently, but a real shock, that I find another sponsor.

I've been sober for 2+ years, but I'm sitting on step 3. I don't think its because I'm scared, just lazy. And everything has been going so well.

But the last few weeks, I've not been getting to meetings. My 2 commitments came to an end, it's cold and I guess I just feel/ felt I was coping.

But today I'm not- low energy, obsessing over past upsets and really really jittery and angry.

Any step nazis around to give me a kick up the arse?