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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - New Year, New Start, The Journey So Far.........

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Mouseface · 28/01/2012 15:33

Hello, I'm Mouse Smile

Welcome. There are all kinds of lovely Babes on board this Bus, drinkers, non-drinkers, part-time drinkers and those who have no idea what they are when it comes to drinking. Some are newer posters and some have been here forever for a little while. Wink

Come and say hi, there are no rules, no 'must haves', just plenty of open and honest support.

You can talk about whatever you like. Your life, your love or even your laundry. We've seen it all! Grin

The important thing is that you can post if you want to, or not if you don't. There are posters in AA and posters who are using medication to beat The Booze and of course posters who are just trying to cut their drinking down with the support of The Bus and the people around them.

See where we've been so far by following this ---> LINK TO PREVIOUS THREADS HERE

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helpyourself · 02/02/2012 08:54

demented
Surely its easier to just walk away.

No more fighting, hoping it'll be different, bargaining and wishing for a different outcome.

Are you getting any outside help?

MsGee · 02/02/2012 08:55

Hey Faire and saf

Things are actually ok - its just the drinking. I am losing weight, exercising, LittleMissGee is ok, work is busy. I just think that doing all of that would be easier without drinking. For a start I could use the calories for something nicer!

And its the same old story - I start out thinking one (ginormous) glass is ok, then two, last night it because three and I woke up this morning thinking - now, we have been here before haven't we Gee? Plus, if I use the calories (doing weight watchers!) for drinking, I am not eating enough to exercise or to soak up the booze, so its not good. I do like WW because it really forces me to make these decisions consciously - and I think WTF - I am putting booze above food! If I don't eat properly how can I exercise, keep focused at work, run around after LittleMissGee etc.

For those interested in the dietary and digestive systems of LittleMissGee - she is doing so well. Still the odd issue but we all take it in our stride. Nursery have been impressed by how well she is doing in all areas - her confidence is coming along in leaps and bounds. I've also been setting a good example for her by cooking at night (no ready meals in the Gee house any more...) and we are making some progress with her eating fruit and veg. Just to make you smile - I took her (homemade) star chart into nursery today and they were all praising Nora for how nicely she'd made it and how good her cutting out and sticking was .... I was too Blush to tell them I'd done it on my own Grin

Day 1. I can do this.

TheBossofMe · 02/02/2012 08:57

ma its really not easier to give in, it just sometimes feels easier. Keep on battling, we are all here to help you.

Hugo - Any kind of fruit juice and soda works for me - I ring the changes with strawberry, peach, pomelo and pineapple. Stops me getting too bored.

Ms Gee - welcome back! Well done on Day 1, and loving your fighting spirit.

saf yes yes to finding it easier if its for something else. I find it much easier to say and think I am not drinking because I'm trying to lose weight than because I have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. 30 days of shredding and not drinking and eating really well have seen me drop 9lb and at least 1 dress size. I cannot wait to come back to the UK in the summer and shop.

MsGee · 02/02/2012 08:58

oh and ma I tried just lieing down in the ring for a bit ... and am right back here. Honestly lieing down in that ring is HARD. You get beaten up every day.

How about we step outside the ring together - just for today?

silentcatastrophe · 02/02/2012 09:06

I agree that it is a matter of changing one thing at a time! ONe of the things that saddened me about my now dead friend (drink) was that when she was sober, she could achieve so much. Sadly her lack of confidence got the better of her. It is hard work filling all that time that would otherwise be used to nurse a hangover or to enjoy another bottle glass of wine...
I have stopped drinking during the week, and have to take a bit more control of our household budget. The alcohol has to be cut down as it is expensive and relatively speaking a luxury. Damn. Better start brewing my own!

Mouseface · 02/02/2012 09:35

Morning, tis me, Mouse

Ma - Sad you know what I'm going to say but I'll post it anyway. Only YOU can do this. Only YOU can stop drinking when YOU WANT TO. There's no point in me trying to convince you to stop, when I know you don't want to.

Promise you'll be careful okay? xx

Saf - yippee for your name being back Smile xx

MsGee - hello, I kept your seat warm for you. Great news about DD, it sounds as if she has turned a corner finally. That's all down to you, you know that right? Smile xx

Huey - I really wouldn't worry about the dissers, there will always be someone picking apart the support that a thread/s give. I know it's upsetting for those asking for advice and support as much as it is for those who take their time and share their own very personal stories with the OPs.

Christi - how are things this morning? How's DH? And how are YOU?xx

We're off to Stay & Play shortly after an HOUR of Big Barn Bloody Farm. Nemo is obsessed with animals, he will sit and play for hours with them.

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MsGee · 02/02/2012 11:08

Mouse - guess you knew I'd be back?? Grin. Lovely to see you (( ))
And yes, I am taking more credit for when DD is good ... some days Smile

twoteens well done on getting to day 4. Agree that ww can enable you to cheat with the drinking ... you save up all the points for booze and kid yourself because you are on ww that its ok. I once lost loads of weight by using most of the points each day for alcohol and eating babybels and veg for tea. Not healthy at all... This time it has to be weight and improved health equally.

Mouse hope Nemo enjoys the animals. x

dementedma · 02/02/2012 11:15

MsGee thanks. mouse is right, I just don't want it enough. I seem to want to be an overweight middle-aged pisshead.
But I'll try again tonight. I am so very very tired of it all.

MsGee · 02/02/2012 11:30

ma - you do need to want it but its hard ... I cannot tell you what to do, just know that I am going to try tonight so you will have company if you want to try too.

I didn't want it enough last month. I wanted to drink. I had to get to the point where I realised that I was wanting to drink more than I wanted to go to the gym (which I actually enjoy ... well the sauna!) or eat. Which made me realise that what I want is doing me no good at all. And made me want to try another way.

MsGee · 02/02/2012 12:41

Right, am finishing work for the week - will try to check in in evenings and mornings but will def be back on Monday.

swallowedAfly · 02/02/2012 12:48

hello.

lazy morning here. have watched that very sad 'protecting our children' show on iplayer Sad done some juicing - this morning was spinach, cucumber, tomato, carrot, ginger and lemon. and managed to have only one cup of coffee this morning Shock

have made a vets appointment for jabs this afternoon so will need to pick ds up from school and then walk to the vets (nice walk across the agricultural college and it's arboretum). best take some food with me or ds will think he's dying of starvation. dog is due her booster jabs so that'll be one thing off of my list.

trying to talk myself into doing something with the clean laundry mountain this afternoon.

who was making banana and lettuce smoothies??? would be interested to know what they were like Grin

sarahRT · 02/02/2012 16:56

Hello thought I would just check in. Ma you sound sooo sad. Sure you know that booze depletes all your system, have you thought about taking some Vitamin D? And lots of Vitamin B? Only you know what you feel, perhaps you are just not ready yet to surrender. Hope you can come to terms with it in your own time.

Huey I drink slimline tonic with lime, non alcoholic ginger beer, but I have an iron stomach!

Hope no-one is in too much pain. S x

swallowedAfly · 02/02/2012 17:39

it may well be coincidence but i have to say that since taking the niacin i haven't been getting the strong craving for beer that i was having before.

earlier i was watching something and there was a woman in on her own and looked bored and flat and then the wine went glug, glug, glug into the glass she reached out and poured herself. the sound of it and the association of wine as comforter made me instantly think oh i could go and get some wine. then i caught myself and thought err no i won't be doing that. it reminded me of those reflexes and associations we build up around alcohol and how automatic a lot of it is.

sarahRT · 02/02/2012 18:00

swallowedAfly, it's mainly B-12 and B1. But anyone necking a lot of alcohol should take B complex, you soon build them up again when you stop. Are you taking B3 to lower cholesterol or hormones? We are all creatures of habit no matter how much we try to be spontaneous, routines are good most of the time. Wine=reward or comfort stress relief. Breaking habits is really hard sometimes. Well done for resisting.

WolfinSheepsClothing · 02/02/2012 18:04

Hello Dementedma and Everybody

This is the first time ever I have posted on a public forum, and I put this on a Mumsnet teetotal thread earlier today, but this thread is more recent.. Thank you so much for your support.

' I would not know where to start really. I have had one of those incredible lives, and at the age of 55, I am leaving the home that I share with my 22 year-old son whom I have raised since he was 6 as a solitary adult (as opposed to single parent - the father only calls twice a year) - with no family at all to help me (as both younger siblings were unmarried and hotshot yuppees); this I did after a 15 year international life with a cruel, abusive meglamaniac 16 years ago. I had made over 20 homes for him across US and Europe trailing after him as he climbed his corporate ladder, and I walked out with nothing except my passport, my car keys and my son's hand while we were in Germany, because we were not married and I had no 'rights'. He then reduced me to the bone down to a few hundred pounds a month for 7 years in rage and punishment, until finally, in 2003, after umpteen more moves with a small child - his secretary convinced him our son needed a safe home, and I got 10% as a down payment for a small house near to the latest school our boy had to attend in England. I was 46 with no credit history in the UK, and absolutely no money. I got a Self-Cert mortgage on my own (in the days you could before the 2007 crash), and my life has been devoted to raising our beautiful son who has become everything I could have ever hoped for. A son who told me at the age of about 11.."Mummy, I don't know why you try to figure him out - he's a psychopath.."

I have never in this time found another relationshiop because I felt I had to give our son the best I could, and show absolute strength. My crutch was wine...Because the father is European and much older than me, I was introduced to drinking it every night as the norm. Through the endless phenomenal stress of these last 30 years, I knew that having a bottle every other 1-2 days was all right. I did the school run 4 times a day every day for 13 years, and I never left my boy's side. I never drank socially to any great extent because it didn't really interest me. Anyway, drinking at home allowed me to 'analyse' everything, and prepare my defence if attacked by the father from abroad. As time went on, any blip in life would be the reason to have a bottle in the evening, thinking I was being sophisticated. And yes - I have been without it for 4 weeks at a time, but I when I drank it again, it was a whole bottle if not more, and with the speed of lightening.

Reading this wonderful and phenomenally honest thread, I am putting here on paper that I know I have a problem. I am on my first holiday alone in 30 years in Italy in a sc apartment. I have so much I want to do in my life now that this incredible chapter of my life is over, (what now? I'll have a glass and plan the rest of my life.. Oh! Have I really drunk the bottle so quickly??!! I'll just start another. I must check in my diary to see if I have anything important to do tomorrow - I'll cancel if necessary). Thank God nobody can see me." I drink around 1.5 bottles every 3 days average but it can be more if there is a drama. Everything that people have written here I have felt .. nauseauting shame, degrading embarrassment, vile, repulsive (particularly in front of the one person I love the most, my son - who does not touch the stuff!). I am at the age when I am really concerned for myself, although I healthy, I am exhausted aftger the 30 years, but why this self-destructive behaviour? Yes - dire loneliness, am I past it?, will I ever fulfil my dreams? .. etc.

I could not cut down.. I am an all or nothing person too. Interestingly, I am not addicted to tobacco. I can smoke a fag after 20 years, and never do it again. I feel a fraud because I meditate with yoga, and some of my greatest insights come when I have downed a bottle...and I look as if I don't touch the stuff. I also write, and every writer will say that the grape produces great prose. But with me, you just would 'never know'. I am frightened to be on my own, and have to find a way to give up when I move to Italy permanently this Spring.

I am sorry this has been so long, and I would so welcome encouragement from the other posters. Wine has been my weakness for 30 years (and, it has to be said - I could not have achieved what I did without it - I would have been in a psychiatric unit). But I am terrified and want to stop. I have never done anything like this in my life - asked on a public forum for your help. Thank you with all my heart.'

Mouseface · 02/02/2012 18:37

Hey Wolf

Welcome to the Bus Smile

What a great first post, well done for getting it down in black and white therefore making this oh so real for you.

Wow, what a journey! I admire and also empathise with your determination to protect your son and keep him safe from harm, be that your ex or the drink.

How can we help? You are more than welcome to ask anything you like on here, like what works for posters in terms of beating the booze, how they find AA, Community Alcohol Teams, and the like.

If you are ready, truly ready in your heart and soul to stop drinking, right now, and YOU want it more than anything you've ever wanted, then you will do it. You may well fall arse over tit on occasional right off the Bus but we'll pick you up again! Grin

Welcome x

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thurso1 · 02/02/2012 19:03

Wolf welcome indeed!

I can't add anything to Mouse's greeting, but you have made me think.

I am married, but I do also have the thoughts, am I past it? Will I ever fulfill my dreams?, And yes, even dire loneliness. It is so easy and tempting to put it all away beneath a bottle or so of wine.

I too, had never accessed a public forum before, and this is still the only one that I have ever been on, how I thank my lucky stars I found it though.

You are obviously a brave and courageous woman, Wolf, welcome to the Babes, and keep posting, it helps, it really does. xxx

WolfinSheepsClothing · 02/02/2012 19:16

Hello Mouseface!

Oh! What a lovely post from you. I am in complete solitude at the moment in a farmhouse high in the Italian hills with no neighbour in sight there has been heavy snowfall in Europe - so I can't even get out of the house, Last Saturday, I flew out to find myself and after downing another bottle and a half of the local wine last night, awoke totally appalled this morning realising I could not continue. Having put so much into my life, I want to live to an old age to enjoy the fruits of my labour, and I have started to think there is no future for me, and I won't make it ...

The booze has to go. Everybody loves me so much - esp. my beloved son and nobody thinks I have a problem because I am always the same. I am frightened though at this difficult age in a woman's life, and want to find inner resolve without a corkscrew in one hand. The reason I am leaving London is because of the stress there, and I hope I can find my peace in Italy where I can write and do my things (and meet lovely people too.) I will stay close to you all, and watch the posts every day - and as I start to consider a life without alcohol in the next few days, I will ask questions as they arrive. Thank you for such warmth...x

Mouseface · 02/02/2012 19:59

Wolf - promise that you will, ask as they come into your head, even at 3am! There's always one of us about, if not at the time, then not long after.

You have to believe that you can do it. I believe that you can. I feel from your posts that you can do this Wolf, all the signs are there.

Sure, life in Italy isn't what you envisaged maybe, but...... new home, new friends, new start and what a place to do it in? I love Italy.

You have us as your starting point too, we're a right kettle of fish! Some of us are still drinking on occasion, some every day, some not for years, some not for days...... and then they slip.

Me? Well, my weapon of choice is vodka. Wine is nothing, I can put away 3 bottles but with vodka, I get the fuzzy, warm glow much faster. It lasts longer too. Plus with vodka, I get no hangover... it's not big, nor clever. But it's part of me, when I let it be.

It's great that you are here with us Wolf, I hope that you stay for as long as you like. xx

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sarahRT · 02/02/2012 20:33

Hello Dear Wolf, simply amazing first post, written so beautifully. I am a similar age, but have been sober for a few years. Our fifties are wonderful years if in good health. I am so glad you are taking some time away to heal a little, and to consider your position. You are loved, hope you love yourself as much especially now, when you are putting the corkscrew in the drawer. Because you should. I have just got back from my home in SW France, never that easy not to get involved in the continental way, long lunch, sleep, light supper with a bottle or two! But for sure, they are not as stressed as us Brits, so the quality overrides the quantity! I hope you have a decent evening, keep warm and safe. xx

We all have our drug of choice, currently mine is painting very badly!Grin

JWIM · 02/02/2012 20:35

Wolf good to see you on the Brave Babes thread. I mostly lurk as often can't respond in 'real time' but have found it both supportive and informative in my own need for sobriety. It's also often funny and chatty and uplifting. I hope it helps as you start this part of your life - so today I will not be drinking - how about you? I make this decision each day so I am just not drinking one day at a time (ODAAT).

Fairenuff · 02/02/2012 20:54

Evening all and welcome Wolf Smile. I have to say that I have great admiration for your courage and fortitude during those difficult years. You have coped with all that, you can certainly beat the booze.

It is a really scary thought at first so just try to concentrate on one day. Just don't drink for one day. Stock up on alternative soft drinks and make sure you have plenty to occupy your time.

It might help to make a commitment to post something every day, at least to start with.

dementedma · 02/02/2012 21:08

wolf welcome. Great post. A solitary farmhouse in the Italian hills sounds just wonderful.....
You will find this a great place to be - people are very kind.

fuzzymind · 02/02/2012 21:12

I fell off the bus already! I will come back tomorrow. So sorry Sad

I just cannot cope with the lonliness, is there any tips ? is there anything i can replace it with? I know what the future holds without the drink. I have been there before and it felt great. I honestly cannot remember it being this hard last time!

Last time i had hit rock bottom and was just no debating or thinking about it. It was just i literally woke up one day and said, that is it. And it was for 4 years. I really really cannot go back to rock bottom again before i stop.

I feel like if i can get through a week or a month even i will be ok, what can i do to get there? I feel like if i say i won't drink just for today, I am giving myself permission to drink at the weekend iykwim?

Shit it isn't even really the weekend yet. So sorry that i am just being a bit take take take on this thread. If, when i get my head straight i will stick around to help others i am just feeling a bit me me me atm