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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - New Year, New Start, The Journey So Far.........

999 replies

Mouseface · 28/01/2012 15:33

Hello, I'm Mouse Smile

Welcome. There are all kinds of lovely Babes on board this Bus, drinkers, non-drinkers, part-time drinkers and those who have no idea what they are when it comes to drinking. Some are newer posters and some have been here forever for a little while. Wink

Come and say hi, there are no rules, no 'must haves', just plenty of open and honest support.

You can talk about whatever you like. Your life, your love or even your laundry. We've seen it all! Grin

The important thing is that you can post if you want to, or not if you don't. There are posters in AA and posters who are using medication to beat The Booze and of course posters who are just trying to cut their drinking down with the support of The Bus and the people around them.

See where we've been so far by following this ---> LINK TO PREVIOUS THREADS HERE

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jesuswhatnext · 13/02/2012 18:38

quiet - i found that my house sparkled after a few of soberity! Grin, also, we like to do the what is called 'the drill', this is for when the craving gets hard, have a long soak, glass of water, clean teeth, get pjs on (none of us are pj to the shop wearing types! so once they are on there is no going to the shops for wine! Grin) drink more water, clean teeth again, usually works! Smile

jesuswhatnext · 13/02/2012 18:39

'weeks of soberity' doh!

sarahRT · 13/02/2012 19:03

Racing it is so important you tell your GP about the drinking. Unless you are a harmful or hazardous drunk, they really don't make a big deal of it. Trust me, a lot of GP's I deal with have the odd problem with booze too. You just have a little habit that needs to be broken, think about it like biting your nails. No stigma should be attached to it. Be in control of the situation, they really won't bark at you.

Just casually slipping into my Chanel playsuit Grin welcome Posh and Quiet. You two sound really good girls, almost milk monitors compared to some of us, particularly me many moons ago. Had a particularly vivid spell in Morocco back in the 1980's!

All the other girls are right with their sage advice, break the habit, don't pick up the first glass you are clever and brave to face it before it does spiral out of control, and you will be just fine. One of my tips is to write whatever comes into your head when you are wanting that first glass. It occupies your brain and hands, keep what you write, no matter how silly it seems.

Glad you are feeling better Ma, and yes, where is Mouse?

QuietOhSoQuiet · 13/02/2012 19:08

sarah if I wrote whatever came into my head you would be begging for my address to send the men in white coats round to take me away in a special van :o

and I did have an issue with alcohol when my youngest ds was born nearly 7 years ago,had ptsd when I gave birth and self medicated with booze a lot to get through each day but dealt with that myself ans sobered up then but this is different,I don't have the excuse of mental illness now

RainQueen · 13/02/2012 20:21

Hi, can I join you guys! I have just discovered this thread as it has been linked with a thread in chat and couldn't have come at a better time.

I have been drinking every night or a while now and have known it's a problem. I can't wait to do the school run and get home so I can pour a glass of wine and then drink for the next few hours. I still function and look after the four DCs, make tea etc and I am always up the next day but I know it is too much and I have become dependant on it.

Anyway, I came to terms with this yesterday and had a final drink, I know! I woke up this morning and had some time (half-term). I poured all the remaining alcohol down the sink and resolved to stop today. So far so good.

I am so glad to have found this thread because I think having some people who I am reporting back to and can be a bit accountable to will help.

Sorry for the long post. I intend to report in every few days and try and get to know some of you guys on here to.

Thanks for reading Smile

dementedma · 13/02/2012 21:07

rainqueen you are very welcome. come and join the lovely new babes who joined today and yesterday and the old slappers regulars who have been here a while. As we are all dressing for dinner to impress the newbies I shouldn't really confess to wearing tartan pj bottoms, a blue t-shirt, DD2s spotty dressinggown and some stripes socks. I am the very picture of sartorial elegance me. But look at my hands....do you see a glass in either of them?? Neither do I!!!! Grin. Day 2 nailed. And I refused a Twix today. Weight loss here I come...

racingmind · 13/02/2012 21:12

Hi and thanks again to those of you who responded to me. I totally get what you are saying, but for various reasons I will not be talking to my gp about my wine habit right now. Think maybe I should have left the bit about the sleeping pills (down to half a tablet a night prob mainly placebo by now tbh) out of my original post, as really I am just in the the same place as a lot of the rest of you without that part of it.

Thanks all anyway you sound like a great bunch x

sarahRT · 13/02/2012 21:35

Just changed into my silk smoking jacket and moved into the drawing room with a couple of candlesticksGrin

Quiet it's for you to read back, I can only imagine, but think of the wit of Dorothy Parker, she was demon laden most of the time. You might like this quote 'Take care of luxuries and the necessities will take care of themselves.'

Sadness and loneliness are two of the biggest triggers, you have support here, with no judgement if you slip. You are strong I think but just need a place to share. This is an amazing thread, and I just wish that more ladies could unburden. Sometimes that is all it takes, just to know you have like minded women in the same boat.

Hello RainQueen well done for chucking it down the sink. It's a good poison to unblock the drains. My Mama used Gin to clean her diamonds, well, the bit that was left in the bottom of the bottle. Smile

See that Alistair Campbell is doing Panorama next week on Hidden Alcoholics, he was one, it's everywhere isn't it?

Mouseface · 13/02/2012 21:37

I'm here. Too much going on, too much to go into.

Just having a few days off the Bus, trying to switch off, blur things a bit.... numb the pain. My pain has gotten so very bad. I just want it to stop, you know? Just stop hurting so I can sleep, so I can lie down. So I can wake refreshed.

Welcome to all the new Babes Smile xx

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Cristiane · 13/02/2012 22:09

mouse so sorry, this doesn't sound good. Come back as soon as you can.

faire he is ok, but will probably not be back for a couple of months. I am finding it quite hard. Helps not to drink. I did drink on Saturday and regretted it all Sunday - felt horrific. But that's been the only time since he has left. Of course I am super busy trying to arrange everything. Also my dds miss their dad and it makes me feel terrible.

Welcome to all the newbies. And oldies!

thurso1 · 13/02/2012 22:46

Hello all,

Sorry just a quick pop in, and then out, a veritable myriad of family and work stuff going on at the moment, nothing terrible (well, the family stuff isn't), but requiring lots of time.

Welcome to new(er than me!) Babes, this is a wonderful place to come to, with the kindest people I have ever met.

Mouse sending you love sweetheart.

Ma Day 2 Grin, 1 better than me Blush, but I'm not going to stress about it, which is a bit of a departure!

Sending mucho hugs to all my longterm comrades in arms too, hopefully I'll get time to read through properly and write more, later in the week.

xxxxx

Fairenuff · 13/02/2012 22:55

Oh mouse I had a horrible feeling it might be something to do with the pain Sad. You must do whatever you need to do to get some relief. It must be awful, you poor thing. You have been so brave, we all love you. Take care x

Christi hopefully you will be able to get into some sort of routine that works for you. A balance between keeping busy, so you don't all miss dh too much, and getting some much needed rest. In theory, it should be easier for you without having to take care of him. But it's never that simple is it x

racing if you think you can manage without the sleepng pill, you should then be able to wean yourself off the alcohol too. We will support you whichever way you want to do it Smile.

Hello rainqueen and welcome to the bus Smile. It's a good idea to check in often, especially at first so that you can easily get advice and help. Don't be afraid to share your experiences if you want to, it all helps someone on this thread. But don't feel you have to Smile

Ma what can I say? Is this a changed woman I see before me (well behind a computer screen) Grin. You certainly seem more positive. I think you may have found your towards motivation Smile.

Boss how is the exercising going? You're not so thin that you have to run round in the shower to get wet are you? Grin.

Well, I'll go now. You're probably all in bed by now anyway. Some party animals you lot are

poshmina · 13/02/2012 23:10

Hi all, thanks for the lovely welcome and advice.

It is great to be able to share this here, because i cannot talk to my own friends in RL about this, would be too embarrassed really.

I am happy to say that i am lying in bed with my laptop having had my first alcohol free night (barring pregnancies and illness) in around 13 years. I expected it to be really tough, but i just tried to keep busy and then had a camomile tea and some of my favourite choclate instead. I am going to aim for 3 nights off booze every week, and then just stick rigidly to 1-2 units on those other days, but am hoping that if i can get to 3 days going without I can then progress eventually to cutting it out totally during the week.

Did i miss it tonight? Absolutely! But i did it, and that's a start.Smile

Fairenuff · 13/02/2012 23:32

Well done posh Smile. I did what you are planning to do. I was drinking almost every night. At weekends I would sometimes drink a whole bottle in one evening.

When I joined the bus I learned about strategies to fight the craving. First I stopped drinking on Mondays. Then Monday & Tuesday. I cut out one exgtra day a week until I was only drinking on Friday and Saturday evenings. It was tricky. I had a few false starts. But once I got into the swing of it, it got easier.

Then five weeks ago, I just stopped. I didn't have anything at all for five weeks because I just really didn't want to drink. Last weekend I had just two glasses of wine and I haven't wanted any since.

I have learned so much about my drinking habits and how to control them. I still don't know why I had/have a drinking problem but that doesn't really matter to me now. I know I don't have to drink if I don't want to and that is such a relief Smile.

QuietOhSoQuiet · 13/02/2012 23:42

WellI have spent the evening mning,playing hair and outfit building with dd,drunk 2 cups of tea and numerous choccy digestives BUT no wine,not been easy and am wide awake now but feel very proud.

posh well done,am so glad I replied to your op yesterday

RainQueen · 14/02/2012 07:29

Well I survived Day 1 Smile !

I didn't sleep very well. I guess I am used to the alcohol as a sedative. But even with the lack of sleep, I have woken feeling fairly refreshed. I am working an evening shift tonight so I can't drink. I am taking on more evening work as a strategy.

Wishing you all a good day. Oh and Happy Valentine's Day Smile

sarahRT · 14/02/2012 08:27

Really, really well done New Girls. That is fantastic, even more fantastic that you took the time to log in to the bus.

So sorry Mouse, I really wish there was something I could physically do for you.

Off to the salt mines with my Ladies, I hope everyone has some love and hugs today. xx

MsGee · 14/02/2012 09:08

Well done everyone who had a good day yesterday.

ma you go girl

mouse oh my lovely mouse. ((( ))) I am so sorry that you are in so much pain - I take it the injection didn't work at all? You need to do what you need to do but 1) you don't feel that refreshed after booze and 2) please think of your liver. You don't need any more complications. That said, I am not in your shoes and so not going to dish out advice. (((( ))))

...particularly when I drank last night. However, I did all my work first and had 1.5 glasses so I am happy with that. As long as I can get my work done, feed the family and be a good mum then I am happy.

Oh - Happy Valentines Day .... obviously I am trapped in the house with the mass of cards that arrived for me this morning, extra policing has been called in to keep my admirers away. Either that or DH and I don't celebrate Valetines Day. We might get a takeaway tonight though - what can I get that is ok on WW?

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 14/02/2012 09:40

Morning!

Welcome RainQueen :) It sounds like all you newbies (and even some of us old slappers) are doing well :o

Ma, get you!! You sound like you're doing bloody brilliantly! The going forward seems to be really working for you. I'm so pleased! If you carry on like this the weight really will come off. And you'll feel so proud of yourself for drinking less :)

Faire, what a great call re the list. Why didn't I think of that? Hmm. I love lists! I think it's because it's such a massive task that it hadn't occurred to me . Small, manageable chunks as they say. Thanks for that. Hope all is well with you and the wonderful Hose :)

Huey, how are you doing? I sooo empathise with not really appreciating living in your own home before. I haven't been homeless so obviously I can only imagine how awful that must be, but I cannot wait to be living in my own home again, with all the security and control that that brings. Hope it's not too long before you get rid of your nightmare tenants.

OneSunny, how are you? Over the last six weeks or so I've cut right back on my drinking, but my consumption of chocolate has increased exponentially. But, one vice at a time! And chocolate doesn't give me the hangover from hell, so I'll be sticking with the Jaffa Cakes for a while. How are things with DH?

Mouse...:( I'm so sorry, honey. In the last post I read from you you seemed to be doing great, I was hoping you were just busy. I cannot imagine how you cope. We all care about you and just wish someone could control your pain. Have you got any appointments in the near future? Is anyone onto this? It makes me really Angry and Shock that you have to suffer like this. So sorry, Mouse. And don't feel like you have to keep popping back onto the bus if you don't want to. I've often thought that you must feel like the bus is another responsibility of yours. There are times when you seem to always be here, and you respond to everybody's posts. I know it's because you're lovely and you care but it does take time and energy. Of course it is very much appreciated but you must just do what is best for you and only come on the bus if you want to!! I hope the family are all well at least. Have a virtual hug from me x

Well, I'd better get on with things. I feel so much better today. I feel like I'm such a journey of self-discovery. Sounds naff but I really am discovering things about myself. Why it's taken me so long to try to work out what makes me tick I don't know Confused. Latest shock revelation is that being by myself with the DC and not speaking to another adult for a few days DRIVES ME INSANE! That is quite clear from the last couple of days Blush. Oh well, that's another lesson learned. Onwards and upwards, eh?

Have good days everyone. Today I will not be drinking. And I will be leaving the house! Good luck to those of us separating entertaining our DC this half-term...

Mouseface · 14/02/2012 11:15

Morning, tis me, Mouse Blush - Long post alert

So sorry for the short, sharp post last night, I was so very tired by then and just wanted to post and let you all know I was here, mainly lurking and feeling sorry for myself. Sad

Nemo has another cold so is vomiting his feeds back, struggling to breathe and not settling to sleep at night. He can get to sleep, he just doesn't/can't stay asleep.

He has another sleep study coming up next week and the doctor who has requested it specialises in respiratory medicine. He's had Nemo under his care since birth so is well away of his 'history' shall we say.

The thing is, I love Nemo so very much, that I feel I owe it to him to be his everything because I still feel guilty for not getting it right when I was carrying him, like I let him down because of his additional needs. If I'd just done something differently, would he have been spared the problems that he's had and yet to face?

I know that you're all reading this thinking I'm daft for believing that it's my fault but I can't help thinking I got something wrong at the start.

There's a lot going on in terms of assessments and new people joining his team so I feel that most of my time goes into making sure that they are all up to speed with where Nemo is, what he needs, what he can do, what he can't do, what he likes/doesn't like etc....

It comes as second nature but when I have to stop and write it all out, actually take the time to think about it, I get myself all tangled up and emotional thinking about him. I want the very best care for him and I need for all of his team to feel that way too, you know? I want them to care for him like I do, do the same things, the things that he likes.......

I don't realise just how much that is until I have to let someone know what his day involves. Nursery are very keen to mirror what goes on at homes which is a HUGE tick in the right box for me. It means that his care will remain consistent.

Anyway. The drinking...... thank you if you've gotten this far.

I know that my liver can't cope with me drinking as I did in the past. I know that drinking will only make me feel more sluggish in the morning, especially after a broken night of light, unsettled sleep but I like the fuzzy blur I get. (NOT A DIG AT YOUR POST TO ME MsGee, I PROMISE xxxx)

I type it so many times on here, to support others, to try and convince posters that they really don't need to drink. I don't need to drink it's just been the last couple of nights that I really fancied a drink, so I drank.

I didn't make it a big thing, or give it any power by feeling bad about it, I took the glass and poured the drink, then another and then another. I didn't get drunk, I just felt relaxed, calmer, ready to switch my head off and for me, it worked. I knew when to stop and went to bed. Last night I was in bed for ten, and the night before, half past nine, not drunk but a bit fuzzy.

As for the pain? Who knows. The doc called last Weds to discuss how well the injections had worked, or not. I told him, he said he wanted to see me ASAP. I have yet to hear from him.

So, today I'm in pain. I have no respite care for 2 weeks either as Nemo's carer is off for two weeks having to take her leave or lose it. That in itself puts added pressure on me and DH. DH will take over whilst I go to the gym or have a bath, or even just to switch off for a while. He'll take Nemo out for a few hours.... just to give me a break but when we have no respite, it's all on us to help each other out.

Yes, he works from home but that's just it, he has to work. As much as he can come in and find me at my wits end or so very tired, but he has to go back to work. He doesn't get paid, he can't take holidays and get paid, or compassionate leave when we are both utterly exhausted. He has to work and I have to get on with it. Smile

We're a team though, we both help each other as much as we can. There a re days when I don't get a chance to go to the loo for hours and then I suddenly remember that I've not had a wee yet! Grin

So sorry for this long ramble and feel free to ignore me Blush.

I guess in short, the day-to-day, day in and day out stuff builds up and every now and again, I need to step off the Bus because I can't support anyone else, I can't even support myself. I have reduced my ADs and feel great. I really do. It's just the constant pain and not knowing when or how it will stop, the pain I mean, that get's to me now.

Since stopping drinking so much, my anxiety attacks are virtually zero, I no longer get worked up about travelling and driving, although I never go far. I feel brighter, lighter in my head since I've cut right back. I'm fully aware that one slip can lead to two, three etc.... so it's up to me to keep that in check.

I don't begrudge anyone a second of my time, I really don't but some days, it would be nice if the world would just go on hold for an hour! Grin

Thank you for your kind posts Babes. I just need to try and shuffle may days around a bit for the next week or two until our respite lady is back, DD is back at school, and we can have our routine back. I'm just as bad as Nemo when his routine is changed.

I shouldn't be drinking on the meds I'm on. I know that. And, after tonight (pink fizz courtesy of M&S Valentine's Dine In For Two) I will be stopping again. Not for good, not forever, just for that day.

Sorry for taking up so much space on the thread with this me, me, me post. I'm going to the gym now for a very gentle swim and jacuzi. They really do help with my pain.

Be back later, xxxxxx

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Fairenuff · 14/02/2012 12:18

Ah lovely mouse thank you for letting us know how things are with you. Do you know what, despite everything you are dealing with, you still actually sound surprisingly chipper Smile. You must be such a positive person, to be able to see things as they are and do what you can to make them better or at least bearable.

Nemo is lucky to have you, you must be the sunshine in his life. Perhaps that's why you got him instead of someone else. It wasn't anything you did or didn't do. It was what he needed - to have you, loving him as you do, fighting his corner and putting his every need before your own. Who could do more, mouse? Really, no-one could.

Enjoy your M&S meal. Hose left early this morning but I came downstairs to find a vase with half a dozen red roses Smile. Ds has gone to spend the day with his girlfriend.

Well done all those embarking on Day 2. Remember, iIt's just another day and it's just one day. You can do it. See you all later x

MsGee · 14/02/2012 12:46

Mouse ((( )))

As Faire said you cannot do more than you already are. You simply can't.

Do not feel that any of this is because of anything you did. It just isn't - its just that the world is shitty sometimes - there is simply no other explanation. But I know that its hard to make your heart feel that. You know that I blame myself for everything that happened last year - I should have taken folic acid earlier, I should have taken it at a different time of day - but really, I know that it wouldn't have mattered.

Often in life you need an explanation and if you don't have one, you turn to the only explanation you can provide - which is to blame yourself. So you solve one problem by creating another.

My brain still has questions and so does yours my love. Just don't answer them by turning on yourself. Put that energy into giving yourself a break, feeling proud of what you have acheived and fighting your own and Nemo's corner. Because you're a bloody brilliant mum and no-one could do more.

xxx

dementedma · 14/02/2012 12:52

ahmouse, dear mouse. I second what faire said. You got Nemo because he is special and you are special and it takes both of you to shine. You are ALWAYS an inspiration to us lesser Babes, even when you are sad, in pain and covered in Nemo barf. Take some time, small furry one.
yes, I AM feeling more positive - I think moving towards weight loss instead of away from alcohol has struck a chord with me.
Well done rainqueen and all the new babes

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 14/02/2012 12:58

Mouse...:( What Faire said...

I'm sorry I can't reply properly but I cannot hear myself think right now. (Whoever thought open-plan living was a good idea didn't have three young children who shout, bicker and just generally make noise CONSTANTLY.) I just wanted to say that Nemo is very lucky to have you as his mummy. Without wanting to sound flippant or sychophantic, you are an amazing person. You cope with so much and you are clearly giving Nemo the best life possible. How many other people could do that, whilst in unmanageable pain?? I couldn't. You should be very proud of yourself and certainly not beating yourself up about anything. Go easy on yourself. That's an order. OK? :o

I hope the doctor sees you soon and that you finally get your pain sorted. We're all thinking of you xx

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 14/02/2012 13:28

Just realised I cross-posted. What Ma and MsGee said too, obviously Blush.

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