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To anyone who left a partner because of domestic violence, or it hoping to take that step...

231 replies

MmeLindor. · 20/01/2012 10:45

Please read this moving article by Patrick Stewart and know that you have done so much to protect your children and that no matter how hard it was/is on them right now, they will always always love you for getting out.

Warning, it may well make you cry.

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woollyideas · 25/01/2012 12:22

I've only read the first four pages of this thread, but will return to the rest later.

I wanted to post my own story as it's different from others on here, so I'm hoping it might help or encourage people who find themselves in a situation similar to my own.

I was living outside the UK when I decided to leave an abusive relationship. My exH is not British and my DD had been born overseas in his home country, so not only were there a lot of potential complications, but also I didn't have a great understanding of the law in that country. The country concerned is very patriarchal and women tend to put up with whatever shit their husbands throw at them, so there is little in the way of support for victims of DV - they would simply prefer not to believe in its existence. (Things are slowly starting to change if you're lucky enough to live in the capital city, but that's another thread.)

Leaving my exH meant I had to uproot my DD from the only home she'd ever known and return to the UK with no job or home to go to. I was aware that if we left, her relationship with her father would suffer, which was a hard thing to come to terms with. I was effectively removing her from a huge family of aunties, uncles, grandparents who all adored her, and whatever I thought of him, he was still her dad. The catalyst for me finally deciding I had to leave came when he hurt her, too. Not seriously, but enough for me to fear escalation.

He did not make it easy for me to leave. I had no money of my own, so sold jewellery, books, anything I could to raise the airfare. I told him that if he argued with me and prevented me from leaving I would move out of our house anyway and tell his parents about his behaviour. The law of that country meant he would have had to support us financially if we'd stayed, even though culturally it's very much a man's world, so I think that helped him decide to 'let' us go. It would also have given him an opportunity to portray himself as the injured party.

I was unable to take any possessions beyond a suitcase full of clothes for us both. I didn't even own a duvet or a saucepan when I got back to the UK. I knew my parents would offer no help at all. Again, that's for another thread, but I didn't expect support from them and none was offered.

In the UK I had to try to sign on, so that we had some money to get by. I had only been able to bring £530 out of the country with me. I had to pass a habitual residency test before I qualified for benefits, despite being born in the UK and being a UK taxpayer for fifteen years before moving abroad. We lived on friends' sofas, moving from area to area for four months until the local authority gave us a hostel place. Once I had a 'home' I could start to think about working again.

My DD sofa-surfed for four months and lived in a hostel for eight months, but I had never seen her happier. Throughout all of this, I was being treated for MH issues (depression/anxiety), but I never lost my focus on providing a better future for us.

It was hard. Sometimes things seemed unendurable and the responsibility of thinking about how much I had changed my DD's life materially often gave me pause for concern, but I never really had any doubt that I'd done the right thing.

My DD is a happy, sometimes bolshie (normal!) teenager, just starting her GCSEs. She doesn't remember being homeless or living in a hostel (she was 3 years old), but she does remember moving around a lot as a child. Her father's contact with her is patchy. He has never paid a penny to support her and she is now old enough to have worked this out herself. He never misses an opportunity to tell her how shit his life was with me.

He also had dishwasher issues, BTW Grin, which could enrage him so much that he would resort to hair pulling and pinching. He threw things around a lot, too, but never actually hit me. He was emotionally distant and thought nothing of not talking to me for months on end. I would wake up some nights and find him trying to have sex with me when I was asleep. He drank. He told me that I should learn to control my behaviour so that he wouldn't 'need' to get angry.

If anyone else is living overseas and wants to leave, but dreads coming back to the UK and having no job, home or income, I want to tell you that yes, it's hard - especially if you don't have a supportive family here - but the benefit to your DCs will be enormous, the relief you will feel when you are no longer abused will be immeasurable. You will be happier in the long run. It can be done.

This organisation rights of women helped to advise me on legal issues when I got back to the UK - all free of charge.

Sorry that was such a long post!

lazarusb · 25/01/2012 13:03

woolly - what an amazing post. You should be very proud of yourself. Huge step to take! I'm glad your dd is happy and her recollections are hazy (iyswim?). I'm sure there are a lot of women in your position now and I hope they find some strength from it. You certainly sound like a strong and proud person, you have every right to be.

You rang a bell when you said he blamed your 'behaviour' for his abuse. My ex actually told my dh that hitting me was the only way to get through to me and it was a matter of time before he realised the same thing Hmm. That was the ONLY time he ever admitted ANY abuse to anyone, ever. Even when people had witnessed it, he denied it was true.

Solo · 25/01/2012 13:17

Jasmine I got married in '84 and was working in a store running a department very successfully (it was in 1990 that I changed jobs completely and met an old friend through the new job who said what he'd said to give me the light bulb moment). During my marriage whilst working, I was 'normal' at work and it was my sanctuary, my saviour really. At work I was safe from him. I did a good job and was liked and respected by the customers I saw on a regular basis. Perhaps your mother felt the same in her work too? It does sound like she was/is mentally ill though.

There is a lot more to my story/life with him and I wont go into it now.

22 years after leaving him it's still very painful you see...it's a part of my life that in some ways I wish I could forget...every day a record (or 10) on the radio zooms me right back into my old life, my old living room and it spirals me into a deep and dark sadness. He robbed me of all my hopes and dreams; of the future that I had looked forward to. He took it all away from me.

TimeForMeAndDD · 25/01/2012 14:10

jasmine I expect that your mother was able to hold down her teaching job because a different kind of response was required from her, it required intellect rather than emotion. I have been thinking a lot about you and your mother and I wonder, do you know your mother's background? Did she grow up in a dysfunctional family where she suffered abuse? I just wonder if she was conditioned from a young age 'not to feel'. If she grew up in an abusive household herself then that could be how she ended up with an abusive husband and unable to protect her own child, maybe it had become normalised to her. This is a terrible thought that keeps popping into my head and please forgive me for it but when I think of your mother I think of Rose West, how she stood back while her husband abused those girls, not only not doing anything about it but joining in with it. I'm not suggesting in any way that your mother is as evil as Rose West but she had a similar kind of devotion to her husband and claimed to be the victim.

My ex has no sense of humour jasmine he doesn't laugh at jokes but will laugh his head off at someone's downfall, he thought it funny when his friends wife left him and again when he found out about the affair of another friend. His grandma died while I was with him, a lovely woman and I loved her dearly. He came into my room that morning all matter of fact and simply dropped it into the conversation. He showed no emotion whatsoever, it seemed that seeing me upset sort of jolted him and made him realise that yes, this was something sad but he still showed no emotion, it was business as usual. He hates weddings too, hates them with a passion but if someone dies he will go to the funeral, it doesn't matter whether they are a close friend or just someone he knew by name or in passing, he will don that black suit and tie and go to the funeral. I sometimes think he can cope with pain and heartache better than he can cope with happiness and pleasure. Nothing makes him happy or gives him pleasure, apart from someone else's (mine) pain.

I also think you are right about your sisters, I think you have a higher emotional intelligence, you could see the abuse, you felt it, you knew what was happening. You so rightly had higher expectations of your parents than your sisters did so, in the eyes of your siblings your parents did not fail them, they normalised everything and were happy with that.

Patience I am so glad you are free too, reading your post brings it all back to me, gosh, the vile names I have been called. After I left he rang me up one night to tell me that the computer had turned me mad, that I spent that much time on my arse in front of the computer that it had affected my brain and that's why I left him Grin (this is making me laugh now) all the while he is shouting and swearing at me, I'm all calm and collected and he is the one calling me mental. My ex husband also hit me, just the once, he didn't get a chance to hit me again because I kicked him out but I made the mistake of telling my ex about this so the threw that at me too, he often spat at me that he could understand why my ex hit me. Such a vile man, and my lovely daughter is in the unfortunate position of having that as a father.

woollyideas I am so pleased you got away too, gosh, I'm exhausted just reading your post. I know one thing for sure, I wouldn't have the energy for another abusive relationship, that's for sure! Grin My ex also used to stone wall me, when I left he hadn't spoken one word to me for 16 days, the longest he managed was 6 weeks. Then he would just start talking again as if nothing had happened, I would breathe a huge sigh of relief and be positively elated that things were now back to 'normal'.

solo you might have a point there with jasmines mother. It is quite possible that her work was her little haven, somewhere she could go to escape reality and be someone totally different to the person she was at home.

Solo, have you ever spoken to anyone about the abuse you suffered? Have you ever sought counselling. It saddens me so much to read that all these years later he still has this hold on you.

lazarusb · 25/01/2012 14:11

Solo Sad I'm sorry you feel that way still. On Saturday, dh and I went to a theatre. I knew that the person on stage might mean that some of the people from my old life might be there and I tried to steal myself for it. Sure enough, there were a few familiar faces. I avoided most of them successfully. However, our seats were right next to someone I would happily never see again. Luckily, dh put himself between us so I didn't have to speak to her.

I find it frustrating that I felt so uncomfortable - it was 16 years ago ffs. But I understand what you mean about how things suddenly take you right back into it. Usually unexpectedly too.

TimeForMeAndDD · 25/01/2012 14:27

Times like that knock you for six don't they lazarusb. It's amazing how the mind retains things that happened and the same feelings felt at the time are raised. I'm actively trying to keep my memories and feelings under control at the moment as it's coming up to two years since I made the call to WA and moved into refuge. I really don't want those feelings to resurface.

Solo · 25/01/2012 14:44

I am currently having a counselling spree...I've had counselling before, but never aimed directly at the relationship I had with 'him'.

lazarusb · 25/01/2012 16:28

Time - it was very strange. I have a completely different life now. I am strong and confident...and yet I could almost feel myself shrivelling up inside. It's very unlikely that any of them would have even been unpleasant to me either. They don't have any hold over me, I don't really understand why I felt the way I did.

Solo - I hope you can use your counselling to find a way to move on and let yourself be alive again.

jasminerice · 25/01/2012 18:20

laza, thankyou for explaining a bit more. Yes, I can see how you would need some help or support from 'outside' in order to take the step of leaving. I guess if that help is not forthcoming you may not find the courage to leave. My mother could have asked for help. She has 3 brothers who I know would have helped immediately had she asked them. I have no idea why she didn't.

Woolly, OMG, what a traumatic time you have been through. You overcame huge obstacles to save yourself and your DD. You are truly brave and strong and determined. What a lucky lucky girl your DD is. I wish my mother had had even a fraction of your courage.

Solo, yes I think you are absolutely right. My mother's work was her sanctuary. Where she wasn't abused and belittled but respected. So she took care of herself and found a safe place for herself and left me in the lion's den. Thanks mum. I always felt she spent more time and effort in thinking about her children at school than she ever did on me.

Timefor, I don't know too much about my mothers background. She was the youngest from a large family. I suspect she was probably neglected by her mother who had so many children to look after. My aunt, my mother's sister also has a daughter who has cut ties with her (the aunt) for the same reasons as me ie the aunts's husband was an abusive alcoholic and the aunt stayed with him until he eventually died, and I think my cousin and her siblings all witnessed and experienced dv. So weak women seems to run in her family.

Solo, I'm glad you're having counselling. It has helped me a lot, I hope it does the same for you. I am so sorry for what you've been through. I hope you have good friends and/or family for support.

This thread has been so enlightening, I am so grateful to you all for sharing what must be some very painful experiences.

woollyideas · 25/01/2012 19:18

Thanks for your responses lazarusb and Timeforme...

My ExH spent days and weeks on end ignoring me (and by extension our DD) and then would suddenly announce we were going to visit friends in another city and would expect to play happy families. He could turn it on and off like a tap.

I lost count of the number of times we'd return from a social gathering and I'd think all was well and then we'd get through the front door of our home and this pent-up shit would explode out of him instantly, eg. something would have annoyed him four or five hours before (maybe I 'looked at him funny' or was 'standing too close' to another man), but instead of reacting at the time he'd 'save it up', behaving completely normally until we were back home.

Blaming me for his feelings was definitely his speciality. I spent months and years wondering what I could do, how I could change, so that I didn't upset the equilibrium until it dawned on me that his moods and rage were his responsibility.

One good thing about him being in another country is that our contact is limited. I would hate to have had to negotiate contact visits with him.

I cannot EVER see myself having another close relationship with a man and it's been about eleven years now...

woollyideas · 25/01/2012 19:32

jasmin - thanks. I have always been strong and brave and determined - ever since I was a child. I do know that. And once I decided to go, nothing would have stopped me. And yet that man browbeat me for five of the nine years we were married. I knew I was a strong person, but he knocked the stuffing out of me until I cried almost every day in the year before I left. He made me feel weak and worthless. It was the thought that the same might happen to my DD - especially as women's status in that country isn't too great to begin with - that gave me the determination to leave.

You can feel incredibly alone when you're away from your home country and away from your support network and he took full advantage of that. I despise him for that.

lazarusb · 25/01/2012 20:08

jasmine - I hope you don't feel that I was making excuses for your mother, that wasn't my intention. I knew I had to get out for ds's sake as much as mine, but I desperate and broken by the time it eventually happened. (I didn't realise quite how bad I was until a few years afterwards). I feel guilty for the times I stupidly went back though.

woolly - Your strength shines out through your posts. Don't give up on men entirely though - my dh is fantastic and there are lots of good men out there who would count their blessings to be with you (if that's what you want at the time). You have done your dd a great favour, I bet she is incredibly proud of you.

woollyideas · 25/01/2012 20:16

Thanks lazarush, but I'm an old gimmer now and haven't got the energy for a bloke. Maybe later when DD has left home. Grin

jasminerice · 25/01/2012 21:47

Lazarusb, no I didn't think that.

Timefor, yes Fred and Rose, apart from the fact my parents didn't actually murder anyone, you are not far off in your comparison. I wonder how far my dad would have had to go before my mother finally did something. I shudder to think about that scenario because I honestly don't think she would have left, even if he killed someone. She was just too scared to do a thing.

Solo · 25/01/2012 22:08

Thank you. My friends and family cannot possibly understand what I went through or am going through :( so I don't discuss it with them. I couldn't even tell my best friend that I went to exh's funeral as she would've exclaimed what on earth for?!!!! so I kept that to myself.
I also hope that the counselling helps because he has truly ruined my life and my subsequent relationships. I have now been single for 3 years and almost 2 months...abused again but in a different way by my Dd's father...and before him by my Ds's father and before him by my 2nd now exh. All abused me in different ways. Now I don't see me with another man ever again, though I do crave a good one...be nice to know how that feels!

jasminerice · 26/01/2012 09:15

Solo (((hug))) I really hope you have found a good counsellor (unfortunately they are not all up to scratch in my experience) and reach a point where you can have a healthy relationship with a man.

Solo · 26/01/2012 09:31

Thank you.x

StickAForkInMeImDone · 26/01/2012 09:35

Patrick Stewart was interviewd on BBCs Hardtalk. Think it is on the iplayer.
So much admiration for the women on here who got out of their situations. I wish my mum had had the courage. Sad

Solo · 26/01/2012 09:36

Courage is only part of what you need to leave an abuser IME.

StickAForkInMeImDone · 26/01/2012 09:39

Yes you are right solo, maybe it was the wrong word. Mum took a different option and I live with that every day of my life.

jasminerice · 26/01/2012 09:50

Stick, me too Sad

Solo · 26/01/2012 09:52

I really am sorry that some of you have borne the brunt of abuse because your mothers couldn't get out ~ whatever the reason. I have always been very glad that I didn't have children with (especially) my exh1. That was part of his abuse...'you aren't fit to be a mother.' Perhaps he should've said 'I cannot beat and rape you if we have children because then someone will know that I do these things to you'. And then some :(

StickAForkInMeImDone · 26/01/2012 10:00

Solo Sad I hope counselling helps you. What you have been through is beyond what anyone should have to live with.
jasmine My parents were two individuals with huge unresolved issues. Putting them together and letting them have children was always going to end in disaster. It's so clear to me now that right there is how I felt about mum and dad. My mum was a wonderful mum to me, she was loving, kind, tried to shelter us from the situation. But in the end she chose to kill herself rather than leave my dad.

jasminerice · 26/01/2012 10:13

Stick, you know what, if my mother had been with a different man, a kind, gentle, caring man, I think she would have been the most wonderful mother. To be with my dad she needed to be very strong, confident and assertive. She was none of those things so he was free to walk all over her and me.

What really gets me though is that even after 5+ years of no contact with me, she still doesn't get the fact that she was supposed to have protected me from my dad. Even if she couldn't leave she could have verbally and/or physically stood up for me and tried to stop him. She never did that. And she still does not realise it was her job. She is still completely wrapped up in her victim role to the point where she can't even see what her own child went through.

StickAForkInMeImDone · 26/01/2012 10:31

Aw jasmine that is awful. Is you r mum still with your dad?
My mum was the opposite. She was an amazing mum, and did all she could to protect us from what was going on. She made it clear that their relationship was not normal, yet still she stayed. It was ingrained in her that she should be greatful he had taken her and her DS on when she was a single parent.
The day we found her body, it broke me. I remember telling her just before she died that I didn't care where we lived, if we had no money I just wanted her away from him. She couldn't do it though. To a certain extent I still feel she chose him over her DC by taking her life.