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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - New Year, New Start And With A Firm Resolution In Their Hearts.

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Mouseface · 31/12/2011 12:12

Hello, I'm Mouse and I have an ever changing relationship with alcohol.

This is the Brave Babes Battle Bus, it's a support thread for those who feel their drinking habits are not what they should be, or even those of another.

Sober, drinking or somewhere in between, come take a seat. Smile

And for those who would like to know where this all started, HERE is a link to the threads before this one.

Make THIS year THE year that you change your life, for the better. Smile

Have a Happy New Year, full of memories to treasure, not to forget.

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SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 09/01/2012 11:16

Welcome IFancy and well done on the sober week! I haven't heard of Jason Vale either. Can you tell us about it/him? Smile

Ma I think I'd have an informal meeting with the person who made the remark first. And maybe test the water with the receptionist to see whether she heard or not. Hopefully she didn't... Some people are just plain ignorant, they may not even realise such a term is offensive (how, I don't know). I'm sure you'll handle it perfectly Smile

Silver, lots to think about from last night. Is this the first time you've really thought about 'things' and tried to work out why you drink? I've found that since I've got on the bus I've been thinking about and analysing my whole life...it's hard going and very intense, but you know what, it's very healing and helps me to make sense of everything. Of myself, my weaknesses, my reactions. And that understanding gives me some strength, and a feeling of acceptance that I've not had before. Without digging up the past I don't think my future has much of a chance to be honest. So I am thinking lots too. And coincidentally I am also drinking a hell of a lot less than I used to...Smile Still a long way to go on this journey though!

Hope everyone is having good days.

Hello Saf and Noteven, wherever you are, however you're feeling, whatever you're doing x

Silver66 · 09/01/2012 12:02

Venus - that makes very interesting reading.

BAD FECKING NEWS - just call two clinincs about naltrexone inmplants and they will only do them for heroin or opiate addiction not alcoholism - ffs

So have e-mailed Jonathatn Chick in Edinburgh to see if he knows of anywhere (abroad maybe?) that will do them - might have to go to America??

If not , after chatting to DP last night we agreed that I will take the tablets in the morning and he will watch me swallow it so I can't change my mind in the evening - puts pressure on him I know but I have to have the choice taken away from me Sad

GP on Thursday so see what she thinks - when I first saw her she said that the nalt seemed perfect for me but at that point I said I just wanted to stop completely

However I have proved to myself time and time again that I am incapable of this..............ho fecking hum xxx

dementedma · 09/01/2012 12:46

silver big hugs to you
thanks all for advice - HR say to speak to him and issue an informal warning.
God, I'm dreading it but I've got my big girl pants on and will do it as soon as he comes back from lunch. Feel bad as his elderly mother is very ill and I know he is stressed about this, so nothing like kicking a man when he's down....

Silver66 · 09/01/2012 13:25

Racism is racism Ma regardless of what is going on in someone's personal life - he may well not have realise how offensive he has been.

Good Luck xxxx

Theala · 09/01/2012 13:53

Hi all! Haven't been on a here in a few weeks (since last year!) but am doing good - haven't drunk for a whole week now, and (with the exception of next weekend) am planning not to drink until the end of March, as I'm in training for a half-marathon. Shock:))

Glad to see some old faces and so many newbies on here. Good to know we're all pulling together on this.

IFancy - I actually ordered that Vale book from Amazon in November last year (I think it must have been you that mentioned it then too), but I can't remember receiving it and I'd forgotten all about it until now. Confused Going to have a look for it tonight, and will send Amazon a snotty email tomorrow if I can't find it. Thanks for the reminder. :o

venus your post upthread about consequences and unfairness was a cracker. I've actually printed it out and stuck it into my agenda, so I can read it again when I have one of my toddlerish tantrums about not being "able" to drink. :o

SAF sorry to hear you're struggling, darling. Come back and talk to us soon. xx

silly, glad to see you're still here and doing ok. :)

Have a great day babes!

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 09/01/2012 14:13

Hi Theala! That's bizarre, you crossed my mind about half an hour ago! (I saw someone running on the beach and I thought that looked nice, I must ask Theala whether that's any good for your joints!? Hmm, must google running on sand...). Anyway, nice to hear from you. Well done on the week's not drinking. I'm on Day 8 now. Can't quite believe it myself Smile So how is the training going? Wow, that'll be some achievement.

Ma, good luck. It has to be done.

Silver, going abroad for the implant's a pretty big deal. Do you think you're going to do that? Could you carry on getting DH to make sure you take the tablets instead? Might save a load of money/time/hassle etc.

Is there a Mouse in the house today?

msbojo · 09/01/2012 14:27

Hello babes. Sadly I am back to square one. Friday night was my downfall when shared a bottle of wine with DP - felt fed up on Saturday but not really bad. However it all got a lot worse on Sunday as having got back on track on Saturday Sunday turned into a hideous day due to lots of problems with DD being incredibly over tired, lots of problems with her bowels but also general hysteria and crying over everything. I ended up just being cross and horrid to her which is obviously of no help whatsoever. Topped it all off with a giant arguement with DH which started with DD and then just moved on to every single problem known to man. So down went some more wine.

Today am feeling massively depressed about almost evrything.
I know these things are probably nothing compared to what some of you are having to deal with but I do feel that I am kind of all or nothing and once the floodgates are open I have to make a bad situation even worse. SO now I am starting again a lot less hopefully than last time.

Yours miserabley

Thingumy · 09/01/2012 14:33

Hmm.

Silver- if alcohol fucks you up so much why do you want to continue to drink?

'GP on Thursday so see what she thinks - when I first saw her she said that the nalt seemed perfect for me but at that point I said I just wanted to stop completely'

What's changed? Why don't you want to stop completely?

Theala · 09/01/2012 14:51

SSSM, I'm on Day 8 too! Well done to us both! Great feeling, isn't it? :o

The training is going well. Ish. I ran nearly 13km on sunday (getting up at 8 in the morning to do so - something that was unthinkable when I was drinking regularly) and was quite pleased with that. However, I still need to be able to run an extra 8km without killing myself, so more training is obviously needed. The idea is that after next weekend (work weeked away), I'll hunker down for a serious 10 weeks of training, no alcohol, and clean diet (rather than stuffing myself with chocolate like I'm currently doing). :o So, that is a bit daunting, but also exciting. Running on sand still sounds a bit like a mahoosive effort, however. Luckily, my knees are still holding up and the arthritis meds seem to have finally kicked in as I'm in much less pain these days. Ramble, ramble. Blush

msbojo We've all been there, I'm afraid. However, if you keep trying to cut back/give up, you'll get there eventually. The most important thing is not to stop trying. Everything worth having is hard fought for. xx

waves to Thingumy

Mouseface · 09/01/2012 15:23

Afternoon Babes, tis me, Mouse

Silver- if alcohol fucks you up so much why do you want to continue to drink?

That can be said about anyone. The very really simplicity is that if you want to stop drinking then STOP.

There are so many excuses aren't there? There's a reason for everything. Thing is, to me, it really is that black and white. Stop drinking or drink.

The problems seem to occur when we start to analyse it all. The ins and outs of drinking. What we like about it, what we love about it, what we hate about it, what we can't remember. What we can remember. Blush

If you really want to stop drinking then do it. Get help if you feel you need it, see your GP anyway, be honest, be open, it's not a rare condition, find a community team that will support you, go private, go to the Priory, whatever it takes, you will do if you genuinely want to stop drinking.

Even a physical addiction can be treated but you have to want it to be treated and you have to accept that your life will involve being so very honest with yourself and people you've not had any kind of relationship before. Plus your family, those close to you. Let them help. Let someone help you to stop.

You will have to do as you're told if you are put on a detox programme. No 'forgetting' to take the tablets so that you can drink. And please, don't drink whilst you are taking them.

I don't want to stop drinking. I want to be a moderate/normal drinker. An occasional drinker. An events drinker. So far so good which is why I've been posting more. And lurking more too.

I know that I can do that, be a controlled drinker, I've done it before. It's whether or not it will last. So I do it a day at a time.

Tonight, I may have a drink, I may not. It's a very personal journey to me. I decide if I want to drink or not that day, that hour, at the time it comes into my head.

And at a realistic time too. I don't drink in the day but that doesn't mean that those who do have any more of an 'issue' than me. You want a drink so you have a drink or more.

You have a sense of guilt and dread when in the supermarket down the wine/drinks aisle and the thought of there being nothing to drink in the house at 'craving o'clock' is so overwhelming, it almost eats you up.

How many of us can say that we've thought about going out to get drink late at night when the DC(s) are in bed, the shop's just down the road, you'll be minutes......

Or how many of us have gone through the house looking for a drink when there's nothing in the fridge but you want a drink, almost need a drink, Anything will do, warm white wine, cooking sherry, port, gin, home-brew. Any of those bottle in the back of the kitchen cupboard that you've been keeping for the school tombola.

It doesn't matter when that is, does it? Well, as long as you're not going to drive to pick the DC up. Or alone with the DC when you're pissed and out of control..........Hmm

There are so many inspirational posters on here who have stopped. Some a few days, some a few weeks, others so much longer, but one thing can be said for them all, they wanted to stop. For whatever reason(s), they stopped.

It doesn't mean that they will stay stopped, oh no. They know just how delicate sobriety can be. It's a precious thing to be treasured and cared for, not given easily.

If you want to stop, then for the next hour, just stop.

Sermon over. Blush

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TheBossofMe · 09/01/2012 15:32

Day 8 done, off to bed. Night night babes.

Mouseface · 09/01/2012 15:46

Night Boss xx

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Thingumy · 09/01/2012 16:45

Good post mousie! Smile

Ifancyanewname · 09/01/2012 16:54

silly and Theala the jason vale book has been amazing for me. I have found it really look at myself and why I drink and its pointed out a lot of facts that I already knew about drinking but seeing them in black and white has really hit home. I wasnt even planning on stopping completely, I just really wanted to cut it right back as I'm trying to lose a bit of weight and I've just started the couch to 5k but its put me off drinking all together. Def worth a read, I actually got mine from the local library, in the self help section. The bit where he writes about how we are brainwashed into alcohol addiction was the biggest thing, I've realised (from having an alcoholic father) that we have always been surrounded by alcohol and booze has always gone hand in hand with times of celebration or relaxation and the last thing I want my girls growing up thinking is that you must have alcohol to have a good time/relax and if I show them that example then that is what they will grow up believing.

Fairenuff · 09/01/2012 17:17

Ifancy that is one of my concerns too. That the dcs will think it's normal to drink everyday. They have become so used to seeing me with a glass of wine over the years that even when I'm not drinking they assume I am! This is one of my driving forces, to change that perception, before they become old enough to drink themselves. I would like them to see me enjoying celebrations, relaxing, socialising, going out for a meal etc. without alcohol.

msbojo anger is one of the main triggers for some people. Mine is mostly tiredness or hunger. I use HALT (hungry, angry, lonely, tired) as a quick check when I get the urge to drink. You have to train yourself to Stop and Think HALT. Then do whatever you need to address those feelings without alcohol.

Great post Mouse, makes sense to me Smile

Mouseface · 09/01/2012 17:18

the last thing I want my girls growing up thinking is that you must have alcohol to have a good time/relax and if I show them that example then that is what they will grow up believing.

What a fantastic attitude to have and so refreshing in a society where drinking is all around us. Smile

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Silver66 · 09/01/2012 17:33

Thing do some research on The Sinclair Method and come back to me when you know what you are talking about hey?

Bowing out for a while

Thread is not helping me

Cristiane · 09/01/2012 17:53

silver don't give yourself an out

Silver66 · 09/01/2012 18:07

I'm not Christie - I am dealing with my drinking through the sinclair method................think what you like............quite frankly I don't give a flying f**k

Silver66 · 09/01/2012 18:21

and there is more than one way to skin a cat

Bproud · 09/01/2012 18:34

Faire you are so right about the effect it has on your children, and as they get older the effect it has on your relationships with your children. Mine continued to love me, but they lost respect in me. I was unreliable, forgetful and selfish.
One of the best things about being sober is their new found respect and pride in my acheivement. They also drink less themselves - something to think about.

Silver we want to support you, we can't do that if you are not here with us.

BafanaThesober · 09/01/2012 18:36

silver shouting people down and getting defensive doesn't help! Silver - take some time out if you want, but please do not make someone else feel bad about asking a question or offering support on this thread.

thingumy ignore please!

BafanaThesober · 09/01/2012 18:38

And silver the sinclair method isn't currently working for you, people are just trying to get you to look at that I think.

If I was doing the same thing over and over again and still not getting the result that I wanted - I would need to look at what I was doing, and what I wanted to achieve. What is it that you want to achieve?

Bproud · 09/01/2012 18:40

bafana you are right, I posted too soon, what I meant to say is that sometimes support requires some challenge or questioning. It makes us all think and consider our motives.

Silver66 · 09/01/2012 18:42

a bit of peace and quiet - goodnight