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Would you consider this cheating???

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999HELPMYPUDDINGSONFIRE · 24/12/2011 14:03

This is an issue that has played on my mind for a long time.
Reason being is that I don't think I can describe it as "cheating" but in my heart it still feels like he did.
So honest opinions please.
We had broken up in January, my decision.
I had previously come out of a bad relationship and he wanted to move too fast at that point.
We met up a few times in jan feb and march, probably once a week for either dinner to see a film or he would drive me to work ( he always asked me I never asked him )
We had a kiss in February where I thought I could make it work but a week later broke it off again.
I went on holiday in april with a friend to clear my head and whilst there I called him and said the time apart had made it more clear it wasn't going to work.
I saw him twice in may, once for his sisters birthday party ( she asked me to go shes only 16 so I went ) and once when my brothers baby was born he came with us to meet him.
I tried constantly to be positive and there were days that went okay an I'd start to think it could work, we had a few hand holding moments etc but then at the end of the day he would ask me to be with him etc and I couldn't give him that.
I realise I shouldn't have kept meeting him but I wanted to love him like he kept telling me he loved me.
He would ring and text me all day everyday begging me
To see him.
Well, in June he decides a holiday is what we need, some time alone just us, to see if my mind changes.
I agree, I'll pay my half.
In June we go out for the day and it was like something suddenly switched.
I wanted to be with him, it was like I fell in love with him all over again.
For the next month things couldn't have been better, little trips away, he got my initial tattooed on his neck as a surprise ( not chavvy by the way although a little rocky I guess! )
Well then I find a message from a girl sent in feb.
I wasn't snooping, he asked me to find a message from his brother in his phone but had obviously forgot to delete it.
It referred to a night they'd spent together so I went mad.
I had asked him the day we had got back together if anything had happened with anyone else, he said no, he loved me and never wanted anyone else.
He actually welled up when I asked him.
Anyway he admits that they slept together, a friends with benefits type thing a few times in march and again in June, the last time being the day before we for back together! Although he said after yet did it she didn't seem that interested in it happening again and was quite distant etc.
Well, he had slept with her on the same day he had booked the holiday for us, other nights he had dropped me to work he had then met her after.
So he had condoms ready in his wallet in my company which makes me feel sick.
He says we weren't doing anything sexual, that we wasn't together, that no matter how much he wanted to be with me it wasn't happening so he turned to her to try and get over me.
He thought if he could sleep with someone else ( he hadn't slept with anyone else before me ) that he would be able to cancel the holiday and tell me where to go, that I'd hurt him enough.
He had also carried on talking to her after we for back together, 4 times
In 3 weeks although she did know we were back together an they didn't meet up again just spoke on the phone although I'll never know if he would have carried on sleeping with her if she wanted to, although my head says he wouldn't have got the tatoo and told her about us of that was his plan.
Why he kept talking to her is beyond me, it was always him ringing her.
He says because when they started speaking again ( the night I broke up with him he called her, she was ex of his friend so they had met a few times the year before when he was with him friend ) that she had listened to his problems for 5 months ( even though they were sleeping together by this point ) so he was just telling her how happy he was that we were back together.
If she had been more up for it on the last occasion would he have been so quick to tell her?
Who knows.
He was telling me he loved me everyday, cried, begged booked the holiday in hope that it would help my mindset and we would be together.
So why sleep with her?? And especially after you decide to pay for a holiday?
Anyone??

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TooEasilyTempted · 24/12/2011 14:07

Haven't you already done this thread?

RealiTreeCoveredInTinsel · 24/12/2011 14:10

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D0oinMeCleanin · 24/12/2011 14:13

I'm not sure I understand, your lack of paragraphs makes for difficult reading.

You kept stringing him along with the 'possibility' of a relationship but were not officially 'with him' until after the holiday, after which he stopped sleeping with this other girl? Is that right?

If it is, then no, it's not cheating. You are either together or not. You cannot tell him you don't want him but still expect him to not see anyone else.

You make yourself sound like a bit of a controlling bitch, to be honest.

SantieMaggie · 24/12/2011 14:22

no i wouldn't call it cheating.

you need to decide if you really want to be with him and put all this silliness behind you.

BastedTurkey · 24/12/2011 14:25

To paraphrase the words of Ross from Friends "You were on a break"

Agree with the other posters

thesunshinesbrightly · 24/12/2011 15:08

Gods sake woman! You have already done this thread. You sound obsessive and if you keep repeating yourslef on here... god help your boyfriend he must be sick to death of you.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 24/12/2011 15:52

999, you need to stop rehashing this all over MN

You said you found some helpful responses on your other several threads about your really rather crap relationship

You are going to start pissing people off now, so I am going to give you some friendly advice

MN is very tolerant of people who keep coming back with the same problem that is going on and on eg. those who post and come back weeks later for more advice

but posting the same stuff over and over withing a couple of days ? Why > Are you hoping for something specific ? Someone to tell you to leave you partner ? Ypu want to hear something different than you have heard before ?

It ain't gonna happen

Talk to your partner. Really.

If you can no longer talk to him reasonably about this, that coupled with his other behaviours should be a deal breaker for you.

if it isn't, then forgive him, forgive yourself for getting a bit hung up on all this, and fgs relax and enjoy xmas

you need to own your decision though...this is getting you nowhere

lisad123 · 24/12/2011 15:59

Well I haven't read your other threads but I agree. You were not with him!! Did you seriously want him to not talk or sleep with anyone on the off chance you change your mind.
If you live him you will stop screwing with his heart and head, u sound like a nightmare

izzywhizzysmincepies · 24/12/2011 16:00

Your other thread on this subject which contains a link to your other thread on a related subject: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1368853-Should-I-believe-him-Re-dating-bloody-websites

FTR my views haven't changed in the past 24 hours and are unlikely to alter this year Xmas Grin

TheMonster · 24/12/2011 16:02

No it wasn't cheating.
But why he bothers to put up with you is beyond me!

RealiTreeCoveredInTinsel · 24/12/2011 16:03

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wheredidiputit · 24/12/2011 16:08

Don't know.

But I hope He get the courage to leave you and your jealous/selfish ways and have a normal relationship with a normal person.

PeppermintParsonsNose · 24/12/2011 17:09

Just read this and dipped in the other. Definitely not cheating. There. That's it. Don't know how much clearer I could be.

999HELPMYPUDDINGSONFIRE · 24/12/2011 17:36

Okay, sorry that I've wound you all up for asking these questions,
Have a lovely Xmas x

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Abitwobblynow · 24/12/2011 18:05

No, it's not cheating. You were messing him around.

Brian Ferry wrote a song about this (from his point of view). along the lines of, it doesn't matter how much you drink, or how many other girls you go with, you won't forget her (you).

In my opinion? You have no idea how lucky you are. Value him more.

toddlerama · 24/12/2011 18:14

Not cheating. You seem to think he's been tagged by you or something! If you aren't comfortable with him, you don't have to be with him, but you can't label him a cheat.

999HELPMYPUDDINGSONFIRE · 24/12/2011 20:52

Even though he was meeting me all the time saying he loved me booking holidays meeting my newborn nephew etc?
I'm really surprised all of you are taking this brow to be honest, I thought a few would see how deceitful what he did is

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lisad123 · 24/12/2011 20:54

Deceitful!! How?? You were not together!

catsareevil · 24/12/2011 20:56

But you were not in a relationship with him. In addition to the the reason that you were not together was because you didnt want to be, so that makes it especially unreasonable for you to expect him to not be with anyone else.

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mynewpassion · 24/12/2011 21:21

I really wish he would come here because I would like to tell him to leave you because he deserves someone better. And because eventually, you will leave him.

I know its harsh but its got to be said.

dearprudence · 24/12/2011 21:35

OP, what do you want people to say? That it's OK to finish with him? It is.

You don't need a load of strangers to validate your opinion that he was 'cheating'. Frankly, it doesn't matter whether he was or wasn't. If you don't want to be with him, then end it.

999HELPMYPUDDINGSONFIRE · 24/12/2011 21:36

Wow.
If you all really think this then I clearly do have issues.
Friends that I've spoken to have ranged from this reaction to he was deceitful booking a holiday showing you brochures driving you to work crying begging you to reconsider all whilst carrying condoms ready to shag her after to he cheated.
Do none of you see it as wrong that he lies when asked if there had been anyone else or the fact he continued to contact her?

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cheesesarnie · 24/12/2011 21:42

you didnt want him.
it wasnt cheating because you were werent together,you were dangling him just close enough to make him think something might happen and enough to keep your options open.
you are selfish,he is human.

Leverette · 24/12/2011 21:44

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