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Is my marriage normal or does it sound sort of abusive?

85 replies

thebighouse · 13/12/2011 17:19

I'm feeling very confused about my marriage. Recently I have fallen in love with someone else (I know this is terrible and makes me a total shit but please bear with me) and it has made me realise the massive discrepancy between the way my DH treats me and the way this other person treats me. I've been reading some of the emotional abusive threads on here which has really made me think.

But I don't know whether I am being really horrible to DH to think this way? He says I am seeing our marriage badly now, because I want to leave (which is true). He is a fantastic dad to our children and does loads around the house. But with me, it's always somewhat different because I seem to trigger a rage in him so often.

Some examples of things that upset me:

  • he gets so angry with me sometimes. We can't disagree about anything because it will trigger him into anger and sometimes he won't speak to me for days. He says that he just needs time to get over whatever I've said (nothing of any importance usually) and doesn't mean to blank me - but he does. I feel like I have to walk on eggshells because of this and I have to avoid things because he will get angry.
  • he criticises my driving constantly, to the point where I cannot drive him anywhere because I am a nervous wreck. This is despite me driving for my job - over 1,000 miles a month and never having an accident yet.
  • he criticises my taste in music/films to the extent that I have not bought a CD/DVD for over ten years - he wouldn't let me listen/watch it in the house (or he would, but would insist on being in a different room and making a song and dance about that).
  • he hates me touching him affectionately and never touches me, unless we are in public and he is showing other men that I'm his wife Hmm
  • when we have sex, we ALWAYS have sex at his instigation. If I attempt to instigate sex, he will get angry and say that he cannot perform at my request. And he never looks at me when we have sex - he always takes me from behind (sorry!). Sometimes I've cried during sex and he hasn't noticed.
  • he always makes me dress up for sex, or he says he cannot get an erection. He recently had a go at me for wearing pyjamas in bed, and says I know nothing about men and how to turn on - if I did, I wouldn't wear pyjamas in bed (even though it's WINTER?).
  • he gets annoyed that I dress up smartly for work but not at weekends/evenings, because I don't look attractive enough when he's around.
  • he finds it really irritating if I try to cuddle him at all or if our body parts touch on the sofa
  • he hates it if we are both in the bathroom or kitchen at the same time. He says I get in his way and he sighs heavily and leaves the room.
  • in the past we have often talked about having an open relationship and I recently reminded him of this and said that it doesn't really make me feel LOVED. He denies we have had these conversations.
  • A few years ago he assaulted my best friend when he was drunk. Even though I saw this, he told me I had hallucinated it and left me thinking I was going mad for about a week.
  • Whenever I am ill, he refuses to speak to me. I once nearly miscarried and he was so angry that he couldn't look at me for days.

Yes so now I've written it down it makes him look like a total shit. He really isn't a total shit, and I feel really sorry for him now because he is utterly devastated and promising to change. He is great with the children and it only seems to be me that makes him react this way.

How bad does this relationship look? Am I just seeing everything through rubbish-tinted glasses because I am in love with someone else? I feel so weary of the whole thing and he really doesn't want me to leave. He is trying so hard and promising the world.

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wellybobs · 13/12/2011 17:22

Yes he most definitely IS abusive :( Why are you in this relationship? You know you need to leave him - you don't have to be treated like this :(

BertieBotts · 13/12/2011 17:22

No, he does sound abusive, I'm sorry :( They are ALWAYS nice the rest of the time.

malinkey · 13/12/2011 17:30

He assaulted your best friend?! Shock

He really is a total shit. I would read up on emotional abuse and gaslighting. Have you read Lundy Bancroft Why does he do that? If not, please do.

No matter about what you feel about someone else - you need to leave this man.

babyhammock · 13/12/2011 17:30

He is definately abusive. He won't get better and any promises he makes now, he won't keep. Reading your post brought so many things back to me even the pyjamas in bed. Also don't kid yourself that he is a great dad. Great dad's dont treat their children's mother like this x

EssentialFattyAcid · 13/12/2011 17:32

When you have to ask, the odds are that you already know the answer Sad

Marymoo73 · 13/12/2011 17:37

That just screams "emotional abuse" to me. Just reading through your examples made me so angry. No man can treat you like that and claim to love you. No wonder he's promising to change, he's realised how close he is to losing you.
You deserve so much better than this.

MardyPants · 13/12/2011 17:39

Cuddles are defo as important in a relationship as sex. I find it an odd thing that you can't cuddle him or snuggle on the sofa?! Am I correct in thinking that is the only time you touch affectionately is when HE and he only initiates sex?

Open relationship? NO NO NO NO NO.

Sorry to say, he sounds abusive and a bully. You deserve somebody nice :)

bellazul · 13/12/2011 17:40

Yes it is an abusive marriage and you should not have to put up with that kind of behaviour, its mental torture. I know it because i've been there and could've written your story myself.

Despite all the promises he'll change, im sorry to say they never do, it may happen for 6/12 months then its back to the old ways. A lot of men are good fathers but not good partners and its always a tough one for a women to know what to do.

Your in love with someone else who treats you nice, let me tell you, being treated nice is just the norm not the exception so that makes your DH a very cruel man indeed. Altough i would'nt encourage adultery however, think again about the current situation your in, would you want to live that way for the rest of your life? And of course he doesn't want you to leave he's become dependant on treating you that way in the same way some victims become dependant on their abuser.

All the best

makeyerowndamndinner · 13/12/2011 17:41

Absolutely he is abusive. I'm so sorry you've had to live like this. He was angry with you and wouldn't speak to you when you nearly went through the trauma of a miscarriage?! How awful.

GypsyMoth · 13/12/2011 17:42

Are you planning to leave?

susiedaisy · 13/12/2011 17:46

yes he is being abusive to you, he is a bully and has no respect for you, he is slowly killing your spirit and zest for life, you need to think about making plans to get him out of your life, imo, your post is so sad!

poppercondria · 13/12/2011 17:47

Abusive or not, the guy sounds like he's a shit to you. You aren't happy with his behaviour (no one would be!), he sounds like a horrid person to live with and come home to, and he micromanages and criticises every little aspect of your life.

Leave him. It will be a huge sigh of relief. Go buy pyjamas and CDs!!

TurnipCake · 13/12/2011 17:48

It most definitely is abusive. I'm so sorry you've gone through all this, he sounds utterly odious.

Word of caution though (speaking as someone who left an abusive relationship for someone else) be very very careful about getting involved with someone so soon after an abusive relationship. If it gets you out of Hell Town then so be it, but in my case, I swapped one abusive guy for another.

Keep us updated as to how you are.

QuintessentiallyFestive · 13/12/2011 17:53

oh love, you do know the answer already, dont you? He is abusive. This is not normal behaviour. How old are your children? Do you have somewhere to go? Would he leave?

FetchezLaVache · 13/12/2011 18:00

I have to agree with everyone else- he sounds vile. Your DCs are bound to pick up on his nastiness to you, so in that sense he isn't even that great a dad IMO. And he assaulted your best friend, then refused to acknowledge it? Has he tried telling her she imagined it, too?

thebighouse · 13/12/2011 18:01

Obviously we've had lots of good times too and the times he is really horrid can be infrequent. I guess anyone's 'bad examples' of their DH, if they were all lined up, would look pretty shitty too? He would deny a lot of these things or explain them away, and he also disagrees that he has an anger problem.

He won't leave the house and the children and he really thinks that I am being selfish breaking up the family like this. I have been looking at flats locally and am hoping to move out in a few weeks. He is really devastated and looks like he is having a complete breakdown. I would have the children 50% of the time. He loves them and would be devastated if I took them with me. I do think he is a good father and they haven't seen any (I don't think) of his bad behaviour with me.

I really really wish I had thrown him out after the assault and I could be with the children - I did for a few days but he fell to pieces and promised he would change and go to anger counselling (which he did). But there are still these times when he is horrible and the tension is horrible for me.

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QuintessentiallyFestive · 13/12/2011 18:03

I think you need to take legal advice. You should not have to give up your children like this, and he should not get to stay comfy in the marital home.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/12/2011 18:06

He is abusive, no two ways about it. You cannot and must not deny the seriousness of what he has done to you.

He is also no good dad to your children either. Women in abusive relationships usually write things along the lines of "he's a good dad" just as you have done when they themselves have nothing positive to say about their man.

Abuse is about power and control; he wants absolute over you and dictates many if not practically all aspects of your own life.

I would suggest you read "Why does he do that?" written by Lundy Bancroft.
Abusers do nice/nasty very well but its a continuous cycle. He will not change; his promises mean nothing really because he will soon revert to type if you accept his empty protestations of change. He is saying this to keep you within this, to give you hope. It won't happen and his promises of change are empty ones. He gets what he wants from this abusive relationship; to control you absolutely.

I would suggest you contact Womens Aid and seek legal advice asap from a Solicitor and before Christmas. It is no coincidence that Solicitors report that their busiest months of the year are January and February.

Abusive men like your H can take years to recover from. Such controlling angry men do not let go of their victims (I include the children in that sentence) easily so you need a plan of escape.

What do your parents think of him btw?.

thebighouse · 13/12/2011 18:07

He says I am the guilty party because I am in love with someone else. I have sympathy with that.

He also thinks I imagining that our relationship is not healthy.

He works from home, so he has to stay here really. I really feel it would be too cruel to him to put up a fight for the house or the children.

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GypsyMoth · 13/12/2011 18:07

Having the dc 50% is NOT 'giving up the children' ... It's actually the norm now, and what the courts use as a starting point. It's called shared residency

thebighouse · 13/12/2011 18:09

I don't know what my parents think (they live far away). One of my siblings thinks he is nice although thinks we have a very un-affectionate relationship. The other one won't speak to him because they think he is unpredictable and prone to rages.

:(

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QuintessentiallyFestive · 13/12/2011 18:10

Well, he is the guilty part because he has been behaving like an unreasonable arse throughout your married life.... Hmm

Dont let him tell you all this without taking legal advice!

fuzzypeach1750 · 13/12/2011 18:13

I've been with DH for 9 years. A list if his bad examples are; he accidentally broke my stitch mug from Disney and has not replaced it, he doesn't ever hang washing out, he leaves his pants on the bathroom floor. Erm. Can't think of anything else.

My list is normal. Yours is not.

Please leave, you sound lovely and really deserve better. Look after yourself.

CailinDana · 13/12/2011 18:16

When I read threads like this I wonder what can happen to a person to make them think they are worth so little? Why do you accept this horrendous treatment OP?

The fact that you're in love with someone else is irrelevant. Your husband is a nasty person who doesn't care much about you. In fact he doesn't seem to like you at all - I mean who the actual fuck does he think he is not allowing you to play the music or DVDs you like? And the sex thing sends shivers down my spine, it is just horrible.

When you say he assaulted your friend, what did he actually do?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/12/2011 18:17

"I guess anyone's 'bad examples' of their DH, if they were all lined up, would look pretty shitty too?"

Actually no, not in my case. This is because my H treats me and our son with love, respect and kindness and does not behave in any way shape or form like your H does.

Your bad examples of your H in your initial post cite abuse by him towards you in every instance. BTW anger management does not work for such abusive types; it has no effect whatsoever on controlling and angry men like your H. What anger management can actually do as well is further justify the abuse in their own mind!. Of course he thinks you're being selfish; you are taking you as his puppet away from him!!.

If anyone moves out it should be him, you need legal advice and Womens Aid to talk to first and foremost.

Your children too won't thank you for remaining with this man if you were to choose to. They see and hear all that goes on; you cannot begin to hope to fully protect them from his abusive treatment of you. You kid yourself if you think otherwise.