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Support for those in abusive relationships - thread 6

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 01/11/2011 18:39

Welcome!

This is the latest instalment in a series of threads for those who are in abusive relationships, those who have left abusive relationships, and those gearing to leave.

Come vent, share, give and receive support.

The first question you may be asking yourself as a new visitor to this thread is:

Am I being abused?
Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books
"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites
So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

OP posts:
Misspixietrix · 09/12/2011 12:27

BB I love German Markets, in fact me and the DC's are going to have a good old wander round our local one next week after school, simply because ex-T never liked going to them, I'm going to spend 2x as long there just because we can! :o I have family members that live in Germany though and the pictures he posts of their markets are just simply stunning! :fsmile: x

Misspixietrix · 09/12/2011 12:29

oops! forgot how to do them! Xmas Smile

BibiBlocksberg · 09/12/2011 17:23

Youve def. got that right buttons - get em drunk and make a killing in the seasonal Christmas Market business.

We used to go to the german ones as a family and it really was a Gluhwein and food fest - not a sober soul left by the end of it Grin

It's lovely isn't it Misspixie - being able to do exactly what you like and for as long as you want without it being spoilt from the start knowing you have to manage the shitty mood of an adult toddler who wants to be and go nowhere.

Still thrills me endlessly on a daily basis!

foolonthehill · 09/12/2011 21:41

Angry Angry I might just have to commit m-r-er...aaaargh

Bleep, bleep ,bleep manipulating, abusive poor excuse for a father.....

just wish he would do something physical so i could get a restraining order and kick him well and truly into touch.

Asked him to leave to protect DCs from EA and manipulation, and it's even worse, i might just as well have kept him in the house where he would at least have stayed glued to the computer/telly for unreasonable amounts of the day.

Oh and did i mention Angry [steam blowing out of ears emoticon]
If i drank alcohol id Wine Wine...so instead Brew

and breathe and breathe and breathe...........

struwelpeter · 09/12/2011 22:11

Dear Fool, hope the breathing worked. Just wanted to drop by and say hello again by a different name and mark place.
Had a tough couple of months, but things are better now. One thing that has helped is Mr Justice Blah kicking ex into touch. So if it helps and if you can, sit back and let that poor excuse for a father tie himself in knots. Btw don't give him ammunition or the vocabulary of EA - he'll only use it against you. Have another Brew and where's the mince pie emoticon?

RudolphthePinkNosedReindeer · 09/12/2011 22:37

fool was it swimming tonight or am I getting mixed up?

HoudiniHissy · 09/12/2011 22:43

Fool, stick with it, he's out. Keep it that way.

Stop letting him call shots, if he's abusing you through the kids, stop the access. LET him take you to court, tell them why you are not letting him near you. Get your Solicitor to write to him to tell him to desist from treating you with no respect, and to behave appropriately when he comes to collect or the visits will be through a contact centre.

Get mad, get mean and STAY like it until HE backs down. Cos he will.

bigbuttons · 10/12/2011 10:18

fool what happened? let it all out here, give me details!!!! He'll burn out at some point and then he'll burn in his own personal hell.

Remember, lash yourself to that rudder, there's a big storm blowing, but it will pass.
You know there is Lundy book called " when dad hurts mom" have you read it? I'm doing so at the moment and it's really really useful, as of course Lundy always is. It helps you help the kids

struwelpeter · 10/12/2011 11:37

Dear BB, can't quite face reading a whole book at the mo, but what does Lundy say on the subject - in brief?
But stay strong Fool, work out your boundaries and stick to them. Whatever helps you and the DCs get through is ok, whatever is an attempt to push your buttons is not.

foolonthehill · 10/12/2011 20:14

Grrr computer just lost my reply...

foolonthehill · 10/12/2011 20:19

Buttons...excellent book, read it almost daily for encouragement!

Struwel...basically says Twts won't likely change, if abuse DCs before split then will after. Love, acceptance,firm boundaries enforced fairly and education re interpreting messages about acceptable relationship values and treatment of others, also some stuff about how unenlightened courts are about protecting DCs from EA!!

OH manipulating and EA to DCs never mind me!!
Boundaries flattened with me!

Good job we can't see the future!

Back later for your replies

BibiBlocksberg · 10/12/2011 20:46

Sounds like st Lundy is talking his usual sense then fool.

I do agree it's a good job we can't see the future but on the other hand it would be good to have the occasional glimpse.

In your case I'm convinced you would see your future as a strong, self-sufficient person drawing endless strength from your current struggles and being able to really know that this fight is all worth it and you will come out the other side more awesome than ever.

If I'd known I would be this calm and happy and just grateful for everything I have I would have given ex-twat his marching orders about three weeks into our relationship.

foolonthehill · 10/12/2011 21:27

All I want for Christmas is for him to disappear.
It is so unfair that whilst i will be able , eventually, to barely give OH the time of day, my DCs will probably have to deal with him and be abused by him unless he does anything really really stupid, or gets bores and wanders off.

St Lundy speaks the truth, but his book on the probs after leaving when you have DCs is very realistic and much less encouraging than "Why does he do that" because there is no way we can remove the fathers from the children's lives Sad

foolonthehill · 10/12/2011 21:28

sorry, bored, obviously, not bores...though he does

struwelpeter · 10/12/2011 22:02

Can't answer for the DCs at the moment, but had a moment of epiphany (a bit early I know!). This time last year was hell, year before was hell because of ex who was here one year and refused the next. Was in floods, could barely face xmas at all, dreamed of running away from attempting to be happy mummy. Had fantasies of booking escape alone, had no boundaries about anything in myself, DCs, was blinking back the tears all the time and we were all emotionally twisted round his abusive little finger.
Now, doing the same sort of things again for xmas. Ok it's not perfect, I have moments, hours, days when things aren't great but because we are free of the twunt, or at least he is caged in small court-ordered doses, I am doing so much better. It's me and the DCs christmas and we are going to have a quiet, but great time. So it will get better Fool honestly it will Xmas Smile

foolonthehill · 10/12/2011 22:24

Thx hoping so.

HoudiniHissy · 11/12/2011 10:53

strewelpeter, I have (as you know) little epiphanies ALL THE TIME, I dare say there are many more to come.

You are realising that the life you lead is YOURS, and that you don't have to have him in it. Except when court ordered. Stay strong, don't let him manipulate you or your DC, and go back and back to court if you need to, to ensure their protection.

HoudiniHissy · 11/12/2011 10:57

Is this my first christmas without shithead? I think it might be...

But he was always such an almighty pain in the arse anyway, moaning about everything, resisting the family plans, telling me we need to go 5m after christmas lunch, when I'd just washed everything up and not even sat down. how he sulked for the rest of the day and then snuck off to bed on NYE when I was expecting him to watch a film with me and have a drink. What a total wanker.

Oh yes it'll be a million times better without that miserable fucker in my life.

RudolphthePinkNosedReindeer · 11/12/2011 11:37

Don't you know whether it's your first Christmas without shithead?

HoudiniHissy · 11/12/2011 11:54

I think it is, he missed DS 4th birthday, stuck in Egypt, but made it back on 23rd. We had Christmas with him in the house last year, but he was working on the day, so I dodged that bullet. Now he's back in Egypt.

Like I said, he was never one to make christmas in any way merry. I've kind of wiped X from my head day to day. All other christmasses were either the one when DS was born, so basically I had no idea what day it was, no tree, nothing.

The rest were in Egypt, so the 1st one passed without any acknowledgement at all, bar the 3 phone calls I got from my family. He worked a full normal day, (he was part owner, so could have done something) DS was only just 1yo. we had nothing, no present, no cards, no special dinner, nothing. I'd not been out of the house since the previous October, so had no opportunity to buy anything and he wasn't about to, was he?

The following years I prepared for, we got a small tree and decorations, I downloaded christmas music on iTunes and tried my best to make it better, but he still sulked somehow and ruined it in some form or another.

Nope, don't care if it's the first without him, just bloody relieved it's not the last! Grin

BibiBlocksberg · 11/12/2011 12:48

I can never quite wrap my head around the horrors you lived with that 'man' Hissy.

Great to hear that a happier Christmas is in store for a lot of us.

I'm double celebrating today because it's my birthday and the one year anniversary of ex twat leaving (well, in three days but hey, close enough)

I'm still alive, the cats are still alive, i have a roof over my head, food in the fridge and bills are mostly paid so I say it was a success :)

Please join me in a slice of birthday cake and a glass of supermarket own brand fizz :)

As the Germans would say - Prost!

Anniegetyourgun · 11/12/2011 15:26

Happy birthday Bibi :)

RudolphthePinkNosedReindeer · 11/12/2011 15:48

ooh cake Grin

and a happy birthday to you Bibi

ThereGoesTheFear · 11/12/2011 15:54

Happy birthday Bibi! I hope you're having a lovely, peaceful day. Smile

BibiBlocksberg · 11/12/2011 16:29

Thank you for responding to the shameless self promotion of my birthday Grin

Lovely day is being had here, cooking off party snacks etc to take in for the office crowd tomorrow