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Support for those in abusive relationships - thread 6

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 01/11/2011 18:39

Welcome!

This is the latest instalment in a series of threads for those who are in abusive relationships, those who have left abusive relationships, and those gearing to leave.

Come vent, share, give and receive support.

The first question you may be asking yourself as a new visitor to this thread is:

Am I being abused?
Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books
"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites
So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

OP posts:
foolonthehill · 21/11/2011 08:41

But she has a great advantage...she has a Mum who stands up for her, who tells STBX that it's not ok to say these things. So she's not being programmed she's being loved out of an abusive relationship and she will see that it is good to have boundaries and to stand up for herself. she spends far more time with you than him so you will be and have the main influence and although she loves her dad she will see for herself who he is (if he bothers to stick around) SO WELL DONE YOU Thanks for sticking up for her and for yourself.

be proud that you are not that doormat and neither of your girls should be.

bejeezus · 21/11/2011 10:06

thansk for your replies girls.

I hope so fool, I really do. I dont feel like a great mum at all. I feel like I should have left him sooner AND he has succeded in making me feel guilty that they dont have a good relationship. Which I KNOW really is bonkers. But, I still feel guilt. She is disrespectful of him (not awful, but questions his judgement/authority and can use quite an arsey tone of voice) and I know that is down to me.......do you know what in the process of writing that, I have realised I wouldnt have it any other way.....he doesnt deserve her respect does he? If he wants it, he will damn well have to earn it. May be it is my 'fault'. Maybe thats a good thing x

BeattieBow · 21/11/2011 12:55

blimey so many of the men on here sound like my h in lots of ways.

I had a lightbulb moment over the weekend when h was shitty to me - I saw he was going to start and I asked him to leave and stopped the attack before it started. I realised then that it isn't anything I do that makes him shout at me. i can't stop it, or cause it. and I did feel better for a moment.

but then I realised it didn't matter, because he still thinks it's me making him angry etc, that it's my fault. and while he thinks like that I can never get through to him, and things will never change.

and everyone else (even my sisters) think he is mr reasonable and I'm (whose always been the more volatile one) is the mad deranged pregnant woman whose decided to chuck her husband out.

Sorry that was about me.
bellabing you do know that you have to leave that man don't you? Maybe posting on here is just the first step, but I realised I had to leave mine when he abused me in front of the children and I saw their little shocked faces.

HalleysWaitress · 21/11/2011 15:21

Just had a grim altercation with exh. Feel desolate now

bejeezus · 21/11/2011 16:35

Do you want to tell us hally?

noseinbook · 21/11/2011 16:37

Sorry to hear that, Halleys.

Went to see an old friend who I had let drop because of shame about my life Sad. It's sad to feel shame because you picked a wrong 'un.

HalleysWaitress · 21/11/2011 16:58

offered to meet exh in town for a face to face chat and to handover dc. i invited him in good faith and opened the conversation explaining a favour id done for him which he was touched by. it the n immediately descended into him shouting and being abusive and forced me to leave. i took dc with me. after that he said if i didnt sign off the joint account that day he'd freeze it so i had to go back and do it. he was waiting outside the bank while i was in there. i actually felt quite threatened today. he is keen for us to be friends but his behavior is actually worse now we have spilt so how can i be friends? i dont want it to always be a war zone for dc - what do i do?

SoVeryVeryTired · 21/11/2011 17:12

Hey, Halley - that sounds like a rough day. I guess "I'm keen for us to be friends" is code for "please stop disagreeing with me and be nice"?

I'm stumped as to what you can do - maybe have a third party with you whenever feasible? Friend, sister, lady you've struck up conversation with in the queue? Is he less keen to look like 'the bad man' if someone else is involved?

foolonthehill · 21/11/2011 17:18

My OH has got worse and worse in the 4 weeks since i finally asked him to leave. I think its part desperation and flailing around as they try to regain control...the only object of their lives with us.

HalleysWaitress · 21/11/2011 17:35

fool - yes mine too and its prob about 4 weeks too

i am considering 3rd party handovers and getting legal advice about it. mum wants me to get police advice to for harrassment but they will only tell me to keep a diary

SoVeryVeryTired · 21/11/2011 18:05

A diary. Hmm

Yes, I see the point, and it's necessary paperwork. But by the time you've actually got the courage to make the break, you're probably at your limit of nerves and reserves and having to deal with escalated nastiness can take you to screaming point. Help would be nicer, not just you on your own with a notepad. Sad

Misspixietrix · 21/11/2011 18:52

Halley same inside out tactics, they'll shout in the street, why? they know you'll do as you're told then to avoid any further embarrassment. Yes my advice would be to take someone with you for the handovers, say a friend whom you've met up with in town for a coffee and show him what a fab time you're having a chat. Beatiebow good for you! it's not YOUR fault, always remember that, HE chooses to act that way & he alone is responsible nose despite this I hope you had a good time with your friend x

Misspixietrix · 21/11/2011 18:54

Halley same inside out tactics, they'll shout in the street, why? they know you'll do as you're told then to avoid any further embarrassment. Yes my advice would be to take someone with you for the handovers, say a friend whom you've met up with in town for a coffee and show him what a fab time you're having a chat. Beatiebow good for you! it's not YOUR fault, always remember that, HE chooses to act that way & he alone is responsible nose despite this I hope you had a good time with your friend x

HalleysWaitress · 21/11/2011 19:47

thanks misspixie - feeling like i need people on my side at the moment.

foolonthehill · 21/11/2011 19:52

Plenty on your side...probably more than you could ever imagine!

noseinbook · 21/11/2011 23:35

Friend was great. Turns out she's divorcing hers as well, though slightly different circumstances. Perhaps we can have a joint decree absolute party!

Stbx did respond to petition in time. Hopefully things will seem clearer financially after next sol appt. Stbx v cross that I initially said not 50/50, then sol said not 50/50, then in a moment of mad generosity I thought well perhaps and we had an amicable day looking at possible property, then I spent the night awake which convinced me that was wrong, now he is all cross again. It's the way I make decisions - slowly and by shillyshallying, maybe it's not fair, but there was a lot to take into account.

QueenofWhatever · 22/11/2011 15:37

iwillbefree Sat 19-Nov-11 13:54:54:

'Queen lol jerk is too nice a description for him. 2.5 years, well done you - did you have a defining final moment when you thought "right thats it" and never went back?'

Can?t keep up with you lot! In response to your question IWBF, the final moment was when I spoke to my GP and she said ?you just have to leave this man?. I was shocked that someone who had absolutely nothing to gain from it wanted me to get away and be happy.

This sounds crazy now looking back but I was so deep in the fog (fear, obligation, guilt for us Stately Homers) that I had completely lost track of people being kind and decent for no reason. I?d already had to change GP to this woman because my ex had manipulated by previous GP into giving him access to my medical records.

I see a lot of my old thinking in the way some of you describe your situations. That?s why it?s so powerful having someone external shout ?noooo, this is awful, leave? because we can?t believe we deserve better when we?re in it. But you do and the good life comes back for you and your kids.

HalleysWaitress · 22/11/2011 17:28

i broke down in front of a gp when dd was very little. she was very concerned about me.

around the same time i was in such a state that a woman came up to me in a cafe in front of exh and told me how concerned she was and that she thought i ought to seek support/talk to someone. this was a day that exh dragged me out of the house when i had a roaring temp inisisting that if i didnt come with him to meet friends (which we could so any time) that he would take dd on his own - she was ebf and would have got distressed v soon. after the visit he wouldnt take me home but took me to a cafe where i was approached. i implored him to just bring the car seat because i knew one of us would have to hold her while we ate and this was more stress than i could bear but he wanted to do his showing off check me out im a new man bollocks and yanked her out of it. i flt like i was having a breakdown then but that no one cared so there was no point announcing it.

things have actually been much much worse then they were prior to split i think its just i feel stronger now and see it all with new eyes

Hissy · 22/11/2011 17:37

I shall just sit here for a mo. OK? It's been a bit of a week. [understatement]

The one where Hissy learns that there is more to life than hiding. That there are MEN out there, and that it'd be rather nice, perhaps, to have a drop dead gorgeous years younger than me, athletic, funny, full on man to spend time conversing with.

OK so it all ended spectacularly badly married, but has taught me IMMENSE stuff.

Importantly that I saw red flags, that the radar is still there, and it is finely tuned.

The 'thing' started on twitter and turned into a conversation that lasted a week. It was full on, totally hell for leather. I was freaking out at times, and still it kept on coming. I asked it to slow down, it didn't, or it did for a moment or 2, then back onto FULL VOLUME. That I know was scary in itself, and rang bells. I lost huge amounts of sleep over it, 4 days of practically no sleep, questioned myself, my attractiveness, my readiness, it was excruciating, but maddeningly enjoyable. Utterly addictive, I was consumed. I was switched on, a swagger so powerful came back that even I struggled to recognise myself. I only just managed to keep my feet on terra firma, I felt as if I were floating, merely 1mm above the ground! I felt ALIVE, I felt funny, the world around me vanished and I was bigger than everything. I felt INVINCIBLE.

Then, after a week of non-stop, surreal, intense, funny, flirty conversations, and a couple of nagging thoughts, I asked The Question and back came the M word.

It was so incredibly hard to give up all that attention, but I knew there was no choice. I kept thinking, what would I tell me if I were on here recounting that story. I would FLAME her arse to kingdom come, and so would absolutely EVERYONE I know here. I also recognise that I have dealt out enough harsh and no shit commentary on here, that I am kind of 'known for it' to some to know that given half a chance, there would be HOARDS of posters drawn to giving me a damned good kicking telling off and not wasting a second of the irony that was laid bare. And FWIW I'd deserve every. single. word.

I chose to take the deepest breath I have taken in years and NOT just go along with the situation, despite knowing that losing his 'company' in my life would leave a gaping hole, and make the rest of the little life I have created for myself feel so flaming empty it physically hurts. (It has, and it does btw)

I think I recognised the OMFG so much fitter in every sense of the word English version of my X. There were a lot of similarities, a lot of traits that made hackles go up. A comment here and there about women, things he take the mickey out of, stuff like that. I ignored them all, but they registered. I worry about the DW in some respect. I wonder if she is one of us

Perhaps the most important message it shown me is that I have no life. I have no ME, I have ceased to exist. I survived, but only just. Now I realise that I have to live. If I allow this to continue, fuck-face X will have succeeded in destroying me, by training me to destroy myself.

I have to resume living, for me, enjoy the FULL array of enjoyment that life has to offer, but naturally without hurting anyone.

I know the married bit was the Deal breaker, but I rather worry that if he was not, what could have potentially happened. I don't think he was a good one.

I think as painful as it is today, how empty and utterly lonely my life is right now, I think I have to admit I may have dodged a bullet.

Ladies, I give you the song that came out of all this. Please listen to the words. Shock 90% is scarily reflective of the last 7 days for me. Whatever this guy is, was or could have been. He was thrown into my life for a reason. And that reason is ME.

Hissy · 22/11/2011 17:56

Fool, the last bit is the hardest. They go into panic. The last hour I spent with X was beyond insane. I felt as if I were on a rollercoaster, a teetering, unstable, rusty one, at breakneck speed. I had to keep shutting myself back into the car to take myself away from his panic.

In the end I just started the engines and drove off, leaving him kerbside at the airport.

MadameOvary · 22/11/2011 18:12

SOVERYTIRED I just have to say that your P sounds EXACTLY like my ex! Shock I know it cant be him (um, he's not a writer is he?) but still!
Hello and welcome to all the newbies, sorry you have to find yourself here, but it is a good place to be to begin to seperate yourself from the madness. x
Hissy Fabulous post. You are Walking The Walk, and that takes guts, lady. I salute you.

Hissy · 22/11/2011 18:25

I think I just described the relationship that lead many of us HERE in the first place didn't I?

foolonthehill · 22/11/2011 20:08

hissy we missed you, but if you get the chance to find a REALLY lovely man....I'll be waving you off with bunting, balloons and party-poppers all the way. Go find yourself girl, be confident in who you are and then you'll be ready for a full on wonderment with some lucky guy who will actually love you...not just the idea of you or some such nonsence.

MadameOvary · 22/11/2011 20:19

Quite possibly Hissy. Good for you for spotting it. Smile

Hissy · 22/11/2011 21:05

I'm all of a muddle, that was spaghetti head making stuff! I had no other time or capacity to do anything else.

I'll stop analysing it now, cos I need to extract the positives, and not slip downwards.

The physical withdrawal feelings I'm suffering atm are real and tangible.