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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Joins The Foreign Legion In Their Quest For Sobriety.

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Mouseface · 03/10/2011 10:24

Hello, I'm Mouse Smile and I have a very abusive relationship with alcohol.

I can't just have one glass of anything, I have to drink until I pass out or run out. Whichever comes first.

This Bus is a place of solace and safety, where drinkers, non-drinkers and those who aren't quite sure can come and post or just sit and 'be'.

No-one will judge you, no-one will think any the less of you because we all have the same thing in common.

Alcohol.

And for those who want to read the journey's so far and the original thread by JWN, the lady who very bravely started these journeys for us, HERE they are. Smile

(PS - the title is just for you notevenamousie)

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shaketheshame · 05/10/2011 18:11

Hi there,
I'm not drinking today, what you have all said made me think a lot today. I believe the allen carr thingie will work for me, it is just a shame there is no seminar earlier. Bleeding booze I hate it fo what it does to me Sad

venusandmars · 05/10/2011 18:19

Hi shaketell us about your current drinking habits (if you want) nad tell us about what else is going on in your life. We chat about all kinds of things here - it is intersting how many of us use drink to hide our emotions about other things, so for many the recovery is not only about alcohol, it is about getting the proper help for other issues in our life.

bejiggery · 05/10/2011 18:57

Mouseface yes there is alcohol in the house about 6 bottles of wine (I don't drink spirits) but I don't get the urge until the weekend normally so will have no problem holding off now. It's just when I do drink I can't have a few I have to overdo it then feel wrecked and ashamed of myself the next day. I am certainly not enjoying it at all.

Suppose I will need to give the wine away. OH enjoys the odd drink so likes to have wine in but never gets drunk/has a hangover and really does not understand why I have to keep going! In future I will have to insist he only buys what he intends to drink to ensure I am not tempted. I am meeting friends twice in the next few days and will be expected to drink so not sure how that will pan out. I can see its a theme on here from previous threads that so much socially seems to revolve around alcohol, its a bit scary the thought of giving it up completely.

I know compared to some I am not currently drinking a scary amount but know something has changed not on the odd occasion when I drink but on every occasion I now just don't know when or want to stop. I am sure if I carry on it will get progressively worse. Not sure if I can go back to being a social drinker who drinks to much on the odd occasion or if I need to stop altogether though suspect its the latter due to seeing others with alcohol problems in my family.

shaketheshame · 05/10/2011 19:10

venusandmars- I drink one bottle of wine every night, last friday I drank 1bottle of wine and a bit on an empty stomach and I was tired due to lack of sleep the previous night, I lashed out at dh. what triggered it ? The fact he came with yet more food when I put at least 6 hours of my time during the week to do the perfect food shopping in order to save money.

I'm a really anxious person, treated for depression. I do a job I hate but I want to do something else but when I apply, there are 400 other applicants. I'm a very resentful person as in if someone/dh does something/a mistake, I don't let go and I always bring it back to his face. Stuff which happened sometimes 4/6 years...that the magi of alcohol for me, terrible.

I want to stop drinking because I want to achieve things and be successful with or without bad economic climate, I want to be a good role model for my children and I want to be healthy. I know I cant be only a social drinker, I have tried. This all started 4 years ago and 35 years old Sad

Also, I don't want to self pity, I'm incredibly angry with myself for being so weak.

Tonight I wont drink.

thinice · 05/10/2011 19:23

Noteven, sorry I misinterpreted you. Sorry. Blush

Dubs Yesterday I was a dry drunk. That was such a thought provoking article. Will come back to read again. Thanks, that is going to really help me.

It seems to me, many of the babes who have kept to abstinence (I have to) have found AA the most effective long term solution, but I don?t have a Burqa. Sounds factitious and I know there?s a clue in the title but still wimping out of that bareness.

Mouse, I was anxious yesterday, thank you for your offer. If I come and sit next to you I might have cried. Not good with kindness when vulnerable. Full of beans today though Smile It's so liberating not feeling guilty, ashamed and deceitful.

Loopy, I was drinking during the day, at 3 am if I woke up and there was any left. Sometimes I would drink ½ bottle of vodka a day and my warped mind would whisper a carton of V8 to dilute it could be one of my 5 a day. I would end up mixing it with anything. Not milk. Smile
I stopped and felt lightheaded around lunchtime for a few days, very very tired and irritable. But follow wise advice to go to GP if feasible.

Someone here recently used the term ?recalibrate?. I found that very apt.

Shake I paid for my Allan Carr stop smoking with clubcard points. Don?t know if an option. But 5 weeks worth of alcohol is a lot of £££. Any way I hit a point 5 months later, where I could justify a cigarette in my head and hey ho 20 red Marlboro were back in my repertoire of destruction before the end of the week.Hmm(And still there. Deal with what is killing you quickest. I do have to focus on that next though.)

To be truthful this is my biggest fear with drinking, a self fulfilling prophesy of failing.

Cidre about a year ago I went to a D A unit. I filled out a questionnaire and truthfully answered questions, though didn?t offer any additional info. Because I wasn?t suffering any of the physical effects and was an ?effective? worker, I think they took me as a total lightweight and didn?t really follow me up.Confused

I have crossed over 3 weeks. I always get wobbly with stopping cigarettes around 3s, day 3, week 3 and very rarely 3 months, why? Hmm

I feel so much better in every way, though no thinnerHmm, e.g. my pee is pale yellow not a dirty ochre (tmi? Grin) I can confidently pick up the phone, I wake up in my pyjamas, I sleep through the night, my children have stopped asking ?mummy are you feeling alright?? and ?I told you that, don?t you remember?? ...Blush Sad

Hope everyone is managing with what they want to do. And big welcome to new passengers. Smile

notevenamousie · 05/10/2011 19:27

Have looked back thru some of my (and our shared) history to try and find some of this - I was a nightmare!! Why the heck did you put up with me?! I was clearly lying/ insane/ in denial...
Almost a year ago next week, shake, I wrote of alcohol I hate what I've let it do to me and my DD.
I thought I was taking responsibility in that statement (it was pointed out to me that I wasn't). It took a long, harsh, utterly life changing number of months for me to concede that I am an alcoholic and left to my own devices my only options are to drink, and die.

By hating it, I still feared it, and I was still fighting it. Whilst I was looking through that old thread (and cringing at the memories of myself) I found Miflaw's description of the boxing ring. I know someone was asking about it lately and I don't think anyone re-posted it so I'm going to post it here because it explains far better than I can what the 'surrender' and 'acceptance' stuff means.

Imagine drink as a boxer. He (or she) is twice your weight, twice your height, doesn't mind inflicting pain, and fights dirty. If you sqaure up to it, you will lose - and you will lose in a painful, protracted, humiliating and quite possibly fatal way.

However - you have an alternative. Just get out of the ring, put your shirt on, and walk away. You are not obliged to drink. You are well past the point of getting any benefit or real pleasure from it and those days are NEVER going to come back.

So put the drink down. Do so very consciously and remember that that boxer is going to be leaning over the ropes, shouting out your name to come back, for a little while to come.

So start walking and keep walking. Don't try to control it. Don't go back for one last try. Don't go back to test out any bright ideas. You've lost. Walk away. And every time that voice tempts you back, remember how you feel now and how you felt during and after your last drink.

Remember - if you leave now and you really miss the madness and misery it brings you will have the option of going back tomorrow for another beating.

but if you stay in the ring there is no guarantee that you will have the option of getting out tomorrow.

shaketheshame · 05/10/2011 19:29

thinice - I'm going to pay with tesco too ! In my worst days, at the beginning, I could drink during the day (sometimes from 9 am) until the evening, we are talking 2-3 bottles a day with fags, sometimes beers, the big ones. I have calmed down but the frequency is still regular and the amount of alcohol is still too much.

shaketheshame · 05/10/2011 19:33

Noteven-I don't want to stay in the ring,I dont it to dictate my life and decide for me, why am I so weak ? Life is not easy and full of stress and uncertainty but I'm not helping myself because I'm not facing it properly.Things wont change and if I don't my way. I have followed your story and it was heartbreaking, I'm so glad you and your dd are together.

Mouseface · 05/10/2011 19:40

Jiggery - or give it as Christmas presents. The whole lot. Or get DH to take it to work, a friend's house, anywhere but where you can get at it come Fri/Sat/Sun?

thinice - you can sit with me anytime you like xx

noteven - Have looked back thru some of my (and our shared) history to try and find some of this - I was a nightmare!! Why the heck did you put up with me?! I was clearly lying/ insane/ in denial...

Because it matters. I know I had personal issues with your circumstances at the time but you got support, you got advice and you got the help that you so desperately needed because at the end of the day, that's what you needed. That will never change. xx

The funeral of my friend is next Thursday. I am going to need you all with me that day please. I'll need you all to hold my hand virtually please.

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thursomuchtolookforwardto · 05/10/2011 19:53

Good evening,

Butting in a bit, as I have no advice that will help as much as the advice from others on here.

I am just blundering my way through at the moment. Working hard ( actually, a real joy today), swimming each day, and trying not to let the echoing empty spaces in the house, and my psyche, lead me to filling them up with wine!

Ok on that front so far, but, I am so tired and tearful, except for when I am at work.

Saf great news about CSA and the bedroom furniture!

Hello to all new Babes, sorry to be a bit of a non-starter in the help stakes, But, hope you can bear with me Smile.

BBwanna your little sad face after your post on Monday, really got to me, and it has taken me until today to process it (crikey, that's the job talking!), when I was drinking, when the DC's were so much younger, I don't think that I even thought about it, just did it. I thought that, that was what was getting me through. In hindsight, although I did all, and more, with, and for the Dc's than anyone I know, I think it was masking a shriek of "I don't know how to do this, help me someone, please". Unfortunately I was in a new town, with no family support to speak of, and DH working stupid hours. All water under the bridge now, but, I wish I had sent you this on Monday Smile.

Love to all
xxxx

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 05/10/2011 19:55

X posted. Sorry, for being so me, me, me. xx

venusandmars · 05/10/2011 19:55

mouse I'll be there for you, and anytime inbetween. A funeral can be a really beautiful opportunity to grieve with others, so share your emotions, to support one another, and to gently let your friend leave this world. Hugs (( )) to you.

venusandmars · 05/10/2011 19:58

thurso I think we are all at our best (most honest, most vulnerable, more open) when we ARE me, me, me. Keep right on xx

notevenamousie · 05/10/2011 20:00

You aren't weak, lovely, you really aren't. And your name suggests you are carrying around a lot of remorse, guilt and shame.

You are loveable, and you are probably very strong, because to get up and keep going feeling like utter crap like so many of us do while we are busy being 'functioning alcoholics' takes quite some strength. If you are an alcoholic, you have an illness which means your thinking is utterly insane with respect to alcohol and it is trying to convince you that actually you are just weak, you need to feel worse about yourself and all sorts of rubbish that is not true.
I said yesterday, I am not going to judge you for violence or any other chaos because it could, quite easily, have been me. That's not to say that what others have said about maybe it being better for you to be elsewhere for a while isn't true. If you are still thinking about being weak, then maybe you haven't given in.

If I can do this - and I mean it, I was a liar, routinely, to everyone, here, work, family, friends; I was a cheat and I was a thief. I was massively selfish. Because I was weak, evil and horrible? No, because I was frightened and very sick. If I can get the days to become weeks to become months, then you can. I can live with myself and accept other people as they are and life as it is. There's nothing special about me, I'm just another alcoholic. So what was trying AA for you and why didn't it work - I think Miflaw asked you this too? Like Miflaw I drank in AA for about 7 months and it was truly utterly grim - but it wasn't AA not working, it was I wasn't working it!

thinice I'll stop apologising if you will! I think I was getting at the dry-drunk stuff being as bad as the drinking. Badly. Hmm, a burqa, not seen one of those in AA. Seen people with recognisable faces/ professions, though, and then seen people from AA when I've been at (totally unconnected) work. They are there for exactly the same reason as you are. Don't know about the 3s, but I had a hang up on my "longest" time, every time I passed it my head would go off somewhere, I think we then expect it to happen iyswim. I've also always been someone with a real thing for anniversaries (of deaths, etc), same sort of thing?

Mouse I haven't got to that bit yet!! I'm still reading last October/ November. Think I might need to put it away for tonight! Thank goodness I don't have to try and remember what I've said these days because I know it was the truth. Put next Thursday in the diary and leave it in next Thursday. Yes, I know that's almost impossible and I know funerals of the young are the worst kind of terrible. But don't let it steal your serenity today, your friend wouldn't have wanted that.

I have far too much to say for myself tonight (I am again trying to stay awake til a normal grown up bedtime hour after a broken night last night) so am going to take myself off to an ironing pile and a book. Love to all x

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 05/10/2011 20:05

Venus Thanks Smile.

shaketheshame · 05/10/2011 20:09

Noteven -I'm completely overwhelmed about what you have said, and overwhelmed by the massive support you have all created, I was in haze when I went to aa maybe I should give it another go, waiting for the seminar.

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 05/10/2011 20:14

Mrsmousiethemouseface I'll be here, and Venus said it better than I could ever do.
Take care. xx

BBwannaB · 05/10/2011 20:19

Thank you so much thurso i just don't want anyone else to feel that regret. Like you, I think, I over compensated, functioned at top speed, baking, playing, creating, but all the time self medicating in the evenings. Actually when they were smaller I really don't think my drinking impacted too much, but as they got older I was setting such a bad example and creating a drink filled distance between them and me.

I am approaching my 1 year anniversary of sobriety, and my DC are proud of me, Hell I'm proud of me! All I have to do is keep it up!
I'm sorry you are feeling so sad, you will find it easier in time.x

Silver66 · 05/10/2011 20:21

Just checking in BBs

Wow - a lot going on here at the moment - some very raw and inspiring posts.

just off to check Gerald

A lot to think about

Sad
Mouseface · 05/10/2011 20:21

Thank you venus, thurso (I'm really worried about you Sad) and noteven

I will try not to project but if I can hold you all in my mind, I know that I will get through the day without turning into the person I normally am with that group of friends. The lush, the pisshead, the gobby one, the one who always falls over drunk. Oh the shame Blush

This time when we meet, I will not be that person. For me and for my friend.

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thursomuchtolookforwardto · 05/10/2011 20:24

I hope so, BB !

I'm going for a long soak now, then watching Grand Designs, then hopefully, sleep, without worrying if DC2 took his sweaters Grin.
xx

thursomuchtolookforwardto · 05/10/2011 20:27

X posted Mousie, I'm ok, you look after yourself, sweetheart.
Try to have restorative sleep, I'm wishing it for you, xx

BBwannaB · 05/10/2011 20:36

thurso if he is anything like my son, he will have a gang of girls looking after him, and they all, boys and girls, share all their stuff anyway, he will be just fine.
Mouse so proud of you, as your friend would be too. ((hugs))

loopylou6 · 05/10/2011 20:51

Sending big hugs mouse

How is everyone else doing tonight?

I'm not drunk, although I have had a couple of glasses of zeplin cider, not great but I think its a hell of a lot better than half bottle of spirit and a bottle of wine.

I don't know how to describe how I feel, I feel quite depressed, not sure why, I should be feeling good knowing I've took a couple of steps?

thinice · 05/10/2011 20:51

mouse you are so good and kind and supportive and inclusive in this ether, that to have you as a friend in RL must have made you very special to the person you are honouring on Thursday. Will definitely be thinking of you. x