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Leaving an emotionally abusive relationship - my story

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preciouslittlegems · 18/09/2011 23:34

Sorry, this is long! I'm just not sure what to think about a conversation I had earlier with DH. He was not joking and this is set in the context of a relationship that has broken down and we no longer share a bedroom. He is bitter as he wants things to return to the way they were, for us both to compromise. I don't want to because he has been quite severely empotionally abusive and I don't want to get emotionally involved with him again, as I feel it is not a good place for me to be. I am being supported the local DV service because of the abuse. I am finding it really hard to leave the relationship because I don't know how he will react and today's conversation has made me even more uncertain (he has also threatened to kill himself many times).

I was preparing dinner with a sharp knife. He came up to me and told me not to stab him with it (he said the same thing last week). I took it as a joke and replied I'm not in the habit of killing people. He, speaking quite seriously, told me that he often thinks about killing people and asked if I do. I said no, of course not. He said he was surprised given the state of our relationship. He said he thinks less about stabbing people and more about suffocating and poisoning people. He said he lays awake at night thinking about it a lot. I was stunned at this point but decided to find out more. I asked if there was any one in particular he thought about killing (I could see where this was heading) and he said it was me he thought about, in particular poisoning. I calmly told him that he would go to prison and he said only if found out. I told him that he would be a prime suspect and he then went on a bit about things I do that upset him, including sharing with family and friends things he would rather I didn't (the abuse). I asked how he planned to poison me he said he wouldn't tell me because I would run off and phone someone and tell them. I asked if that was the only reason he wouldn't tell me, as I would not have a clue how to poison someone. He said that I have no idea what he knows and that he knows a lot more than I realise.

I sound very calm above but I don't feel it. This has freaked me out and is the reason I don't leave as I am unsure what he is capable of. He has mentioned poison to me a few times, e.g. told me there is poison in my cup of tea he has made me as he hands it to me (for no reason).

Am I being paranoid? Should I laugh it off? Am I unable to take a joke? He was definitely not joking but if I asked him about it again or involved other people, he would say I couldn't take a joke. He regularly makes really nasty comments to me. Since the incident he has been in a bad mood and barely talked to me apart from to shout a bit and criticise various things I have done and the state of the house.

I would just value any views. Do you think he has said this to frighten me to behave and be a proper wife again and not leave, or is there something more sinister to worry about? I feel this is the last straw but I am scared. I feel trapped.

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SayItIsntSo · 19/09/2011 01:26

I have never posted on relationships - I am also watching this and holding my breath. Preciouslittlegems, perhaps you think you are OK because you are used to mistreatment: you ARE NOT safe and you can't trust that he won't do anything to you or DCs - you are being rational, but you are dealing with someone who is not rational.
Tonight can be the night your own life suddenly gets much better: please call 999 now and do not downplay it to police. It will be free from mobiles.

inatrance · 19/09/2011 01:26

Just wanted to add my support precious, you are absolutely doing the right thing, he is dangerous and you need to gtfo of there now. Everything else can be sorted out later. Stay strong and trust yourself, your priorities have to be to yourself and your dc.
Stay safe.

seriouschanger · 19/09/2011 01:26

Good thinking Zhen! Phone it precious please!

PurpleHat · 19/09/2011 01:32

We are all here with you, we KNOW this probably seems like a scary thing to do,
But you need to trust us; making that call is the only option right now- the alternative could be far scarier.

garlicnutty · 19/09/2011 01:36

Me too, shoot :(

X#1 wittered on about killing me now and again, while we were splitting up. He was a gobshite and hadn't been violent for years, so I decided he was just thought-dumping. Shortly before I was due to leave, he did try it. No warning (except for the thought dumps.)

OP, I don't think you should eat or drink anything he may have touched. Stay away from pillows & cushions while he's around! You must take this seriously. I hope you have called the police; the five phrases above seem to the point.

Bogeyface · 19/09/2011 01:38

I just want to add my support and say that purplehat is right. Alot of us do genuinely understand that making that call (especially at stupid o'clock) is scary, but not as scary as knowing what might happen if you dont.

When you have lived in an abusive relationship your understanding of "normal" is so skewed that you can believe that what you are living with isnt that bad. That if you call family, friends or police they will say that you are over reacting (I could cheerfully tell your GP a few home truths about his appalling treatment of you btw), but they wont. They really wont.

Keep the faith and stay strong. It sounds like you have some good RL support, so make use of it.

xx

Bogeyface · 19/09/2011 01:39

Shoot, I have too :(

seriouschanger · 19/09/2011 01:43

precious I have to go ds has woken and we get up in 4 hrs...tried to be here for you, let us know how you are and hopefully out and safe sometime today...be strong and safex

nodrog · 19/09/2011 01:44

I am glad that you are ringing the police, even if it's not the emergency number.

ComradeJing · 19/09/2011 01:48

Thinking about you OP. Please call some one and let us know youre ok.

PurpleHat · 19/09/2011 01:59

Hope you are alright x

MrsHuxtable · 19/09/2011 02:05

I hope the lack of update means the OP is getting out right now...

PurpleHat · 19/09/2011 02:05

I hope so too but feel anxious until we know for sure....

Bogeyface · 19/09/2011 02:08

Bear in mind that she only posted at 1:19 that she was calling them. She needs to work up the courage to call them, then call and speak to them and decide whether they are to come round, work out where she's going to go, sort the kids out etc and this all while the police are dealing with her H.

I very much doubt she will be back before the morning at best, these things take time.

DoubleNegativePanda · 19/09/2011 02:11

H is in law enforcement and he says their policy in this situation would be to arrive, get you and the kids out and away and only then question who says what and who is crazy. And by then regardless of what they think you will be away from him.

He also says even if you call 999 and whisper unintelligibly they will send someone out to check.

Things don't matter. Get out and get them later.

seriouschanger · 19/09/2011 02:14

Ds asleep now phewie couldn't sleep with this going on...that is really reassuring what you said double about what the police will do. Hope precious this gives you the courage to get help soon.

Bogeyface · 19/09/2011 02:17

Double, I hope that what you have said is the case where the OP is, because sadly it isnt the case around here :(

And tbh, even if it is, her calling them, them getting to her and her getting the kids up and out (or them getting him out) will still take more than hour and I am sure that updating on here isnt her first thought!

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 19/09/2011 02:21

At the present time, he seems more fixated on suffocation and poison than knives and if he was going to do anything tonight, he would have done it.

As it is, he's in the arms of Morpheus and you have one dc with you in a lockable bedroom.

In the middle of the night our fears can be magnified but ,from what you've said, his recent behaviour is not untypical and I don't get the feeling that you're unduly panicked to the extent that you feel the need to leave your home tonight.

If you're not abe to get in contact with the DV workers who are supporting you tonight, start making calls first thing - an emergency injunction, which can be applied for ex parte (i.e without him knowing or being present) will ensure that the police can remove him from the house www.ncdv.org.uk if he won't go willingly.

As he's talked about poison, and implied that he knows more than you can imagine, the history on his computer should be checked out to see whether he has visited websites that could facilitate his fantasies - perhaps you can organise this once he's been removed from your home.

Do you have friends/relatives who can accomodate you and dc for a few nights while you get others, including your SIL, on board because IMO it may take more than a call to the police to have him assessed by mental health professionals?

The drawback of you staying away from the house is that it may give him warning that you are 'up to something' that will not be to his advantage and this will give him time to come up with a plausibe tale of your paranoia, delete his computer history etc.

You are on the spot, so to speak, and I have confidence that you will know if you can 'handle' him until everything is in place to have him removed. I don't believe I need to tell you to be vigilant with regard to food consumption and keep your mobile preset to 999 on your person at all times, and your bedroom door locked at night.

preciouslittlegems · 19/09/2011 02:27

I don't have the courage to call police at this time of night. If I call will they insist on coming round or is it my decision? If I could call and know they wouldn't insist on coming round I would be happier about calling.

I've been packing a bag for tomorrow morning - 1 spare change each. It is very quiet here and only 4.5 hours until morning. I''d rather get kids out door as normal tomorrow and then call family/go to DV support centre. If he was going to do something tonight, I expect he would have by now because I've been wandering around (quietly) but he would have heard if not asleep.

Your support has been invaluable but please go to bed. I am in my room with the door locked and I can hear if he starts moving about.

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Bogeyface · 19/09/2011 02:31

I think you are doing the right thing in terms of keeping everything normal, if you dont feel you can call the police tonight. If you keep everything on an even keel then he is less likely to think something is going on.

Take care, and good luck for tomorrow.x

kipperandtiger · 19/09/2011 02:34

Speak to the police straightaway - it's not as if he hasn't been abusive to you already. He should be the one removed from your home, not you and the DCs. Don't leave the DCs alone with him - who knows what he might do. Also consider getting him sectioned - this could well be part of his mental illness. Mental illness can be excruciating on spouses and terrifying for the patients' children, let alone death threats. If hospitalised under the Mental Health Act, at least he will be out of the home for a while. But strongly advise against letting him come back. You and your DCs need to be safe, but also to be sure you're not going to lose your and their home in the long term, and you might need weigh up the priorities as the situation changes. But please call the police in the first instance.

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 19/09/2011 02:35

There's not a lot of point in calling the police now unless you want them to come round.

The problem, as I've said above, is that the police will ensure that you can safely leave the house but that may be the start of another set of problems for you which won't resolve the fundamental probem which is the threats your h has made and his current unstable mental health.

preciouslittlegems · 19/09/2011 02:38

Izzy, we cross posted. You said similar to me in that I think he would have done something by now tonight. He is not the type to be physically violent, he would be more underhand - as his abuse has been. He has never hit me or sworn at me/called me names. It has been far more subtle but very powerful. It took me years to understand what he was doing although I knew I wasn't happy for years.

I have friends who have offered to put me up if needed and I think SIL will take this seriously. She is in a bit of a spot because BIL sees what H is like but defends him a bit. I don't want to affect their marriage. I think H is mentally unwell and coming off AD's has made him worse (he had been on them over 2 years). I think that more than the police need to be involved. I was recently on a DV course run by the DV service and the course leader said she thought he was mentally ill from my description of his behaviour.

I really don't want to stay in the same house as him now, even tomorrow. He has made several references to poison in the past and I was already a bit wary of what I ate. Now I don't fancy eating a thing, particularly as I tend to eat different food to the rest of the family.

What a mess.

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izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 19/09/2011 02:39

Those are my thoughts too kipper, but realistically the police are not going to remove the OP's h on her say so alone and it is unlikely that her h will go willingly.

An emergency injunction is the way to go, precious and I would suggest that you make all the necessary calls later today to begin the process.

preciouslittlegems · 19/09/2011 02:43

The problem is that the Drs don't believe he has a MH issue because he appears perfectly normal to them and just lists a few things that are then labeled as depression. I've no doubt that he is depressed but it is not the main problem. He has said recently that he doesn't like anyone, except his mother who died a year ago. He really struggles with social situations but does work.

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