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Plucking up the courage to tell DH I want to separate. Any advice?

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minxthemanx · 16/07/2011 16:05

Deep breath. Have made the decision that I cannot go on being unhappy in this marriage, and it is affecting the children. Have posted on here lots of times so many of you know the details, but in a nutshell, DH buggers off doing his 'hobby' for days, weekends and, at the moment, 8 days in Milan (nice). His behaviour over the years has been totally selfish and unreasonable, and most people on here have said he's a selfish arse. He's not a bad person, and v good with the DC who love him to bits, but has not listened, learned or considered my feelings in anything. In December DS1 was very poorly, in and out of hospital, and on the day I came home from hospital with him, following scans that drew a blank, DS buggered off to Barcelona for a hockey tournament. At that point I decided I wanted to separate, and was all geared up to tell him. Then DS1 deteriorated badly - turned out it was a burst brain aneurysm and he was critical in Gt Ormond St for 3 days. Has made an astounding recovery, tho we were told he may not survive at the time. Anyway, that was so traumatic that I couldn't then start the process of separation - emotionally exhausted.

However, DH has now been in Milan for 7 days and missed 2 weekends with the boys, all end of term activities, sports day, and DS1's final cricket match of the season tomorrow and celebratory bbq. Considering DS1 nearly died 6 months ago, this is a big deal to me. DS1 is very upset that his Dad won't be there. DH gets back Sunday evening, then work all week. Next Saturday, first day here for a fortnight, he is going to Lords. I have asked him to reconsider this, as unfair on the DC, he says no, it's been organised a year, anyway I'll see them on the Sunday.

BTW DS1 and I were back in Gt Ormond St for another operation only a fortnight ago.

I've had enough and I want a separation. I know, deep down, this is the right thing for DC and me - I am so unhappy, and at times lose patience with the boys when it's DH I'm so bloody angry with. I dread telling the boys as they adore him and will be devastated.

Advice, please, for damage limitation for the children. Also, we have a holiday in Cornwall booked for August - am tempted to cancel it and hope I can get some money back (I'll have to look at my travel insurance), or do you think have the holiday, grit my teeth (again) and start proceedings when we get back? Sorry so long. I am so tired and emotionally drained.

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Mouseface · 16/07/2011 21:23

minx - I hope you're okay, I'm away to watch shite tv Grin

Keep posting as you go along, it will help to get the views of others that you don't 'know' as such to give you their opinions.

I hope you have a restful night, I assume DH is back tomorrow x

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minxthemanx · 16/07/2011 21:38

Thanks mouse, thank god for people like you on Mumsnet. Don't feel able to talk to my RL friends yet, before i've spoken to DH, tho my friends will be getting the flags out. Just hope I don't wimp out once he's back, and carry on like this for a few more years ...........

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ameliagrey · 16/07/2011 22:05

I was surprised to read he is 52- ithought this was the lifestyle of a much younger man. I know that is stereotyping, but I'd have thought that having kids later in life he would appreciate them and want to spend time with you all- is this his first marriage and kids or did he have another one first?

Has he ever taken onboard what you have said and tried to change? have you ever got to the point where you sit and look at his diary and yours, and decide who is going where and how you are going to spend your weekends?

Or does he disregard you and simply make plans as if he were a single man?

Does he ever ask if you mind his going somewhere without you or the kids?

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RandomMess · 16/07/2011 22:16

I have to agree actions speak a million times loader than words, treating you all like this shows that he doesn't actually love you he just wants you all there for when it suits him Sad

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LesserOfTwoWeevils · 16/07/2011 23:16

I remember your thread about your poor DS1 being ill and your H insisting on going away. I can't believe he simply carried on with business as usual after that!
You have been infinitely patient and given him chance after chance and he has made no effort whatsoever. If he were remotely interested in changing anything it would have happened by now.
Can you get a friend or family member to help you deal with him re getting him out of the house? It seems some of them know the situation already. That would also speed up his realising that you mean business and he can't just carry on as before. Perhaps you could arrange for someone else to go on holiday with you instead of him, and present it to him as a done deal.

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RandomMess · 16/07/2011 23:24

Sorry i've had a few glasses of wine.

Next time he's away umpiring (I'm even more horrified now that I know his age and that he's not actually effing playing - so it's not health and fitness and belonging to the team) just change the locks.

Nope it's not technically legal but him breaking back in isn't either, claim ignorance.

Leave on your hols to cornwall earlier than he's expecting - a day half a day???

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minxthemanx · 17/07/2011 07:16

Thanks girls, as if it isn't hard enough to sleep with all this on my mind, DS2 got up for a wee and came into my bed at 3.15am, took him 40 mins of wriggling and sniffing to go back to sleep, then both boys up at 6.15am watching (unsuitable) harry potter dvd. So I feel lovely today,and really up for facing DH with my decision!

Re holiday - it's really difficult because we were going to family wedding (his family) en route. Don't know what to do about that. Can't think of anyone to take on holiday with me instead of him - only room for 1 person, and my mum isn't mobile enough.

When I speak to DH, he will say the following: "I'm not leaving". "Things aren't that bad." "Other people manage" and "You hate hockey." Any tips how to answer these - I've tried many variations over the years, but I know I've got to stay calm and not get into the same old arguments.

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minxthemanx · 17/07/2011 07:18

Oh and he will also say, "look at all the things I've given up...... I've turned down 2 tournaments this year...........I've been invited to Lords Thursday and Friday but I turned them down and am only going Saturday.......blah blah."

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timetoask · 17/07/2011 07:57

Hi minx. Have only just read through your thread, you sound like such a strong woman who has done everything possible all these years.
In answer to your last post, if he gives you those examples of what he has "given up for you, like !!" I think you can be factual and quote, as you have done here on mumsnet, all the many many examples of the important times when he has prioritised his sport over his family.
Just list them for him. He will not be able to deny facts.
Keep strong. x

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minxthemanx · 17/07/2011 08:11

Thanks timeto, I don't feel very strong, just sick and exhausted. But hey ho, nice early start for DS1's cricket match, which will be a nice event - nothing like a flask of coffee, other Mums (and DadsSad) and the rain to cheer you up! Wink

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juneau · 17/07/2011 08:17

"I'm not leaving"
Can you talk to your in-laws and arrange for him to stay with them? If your MIL is already on your side I'm sure she'd help you out. Do they live close by?

"Things aren't that bad"
Perhaps not from where you're standing, but I've had enough. You've worn me down to such an extent that I no longer have the energy or the inclination to keep holding down the fort while you bugger off here, there and everywhere to indulge your selfish hobbies. I'm done.

"Other people manage"
Other people manage because they choose to. I've managed for long enough and I'm fed up of 'managing'. Why should I always be the one to keep our family ticking over while you please yourself? I don't want to 'manage' any more and I'm sick of you upsetting the children with your thoughtlessness.

"You hate hockey"
Yes I do, and can you blame me? I'm sick to death of hockey! It's far more important to you then me or your DC and if I never have to see another hockey game as long as I live then I'll be happy.

There, do those help?

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ameliagrey · 17/07/2011 08:59

I would not try to engage in conversation with him, or find responses to his reaction.

I see it this way:

1 he is in denial- not willing to admit anything is wrong or he is to blame.
2 he is manipulative- knows you are right but also knows you can't force him to leave.
3 he genuinely doesn't "get it" and thinks you are overreacting.

Playing devil's advocate, I can just about see how he could justify his actions. eg when your son was ill and he went back to work quickly, over whereever he went, I can imagine he thought "Well I'm on the end of the phone, I can get back if necessary blah blah"

As someone else said, these are the actions of someone who is logical, but who does not empathise- possibly Aspergers.

It is possible that he simply does not feel the emotions you want him to have. Have you considered that?

I also assume he is a good provider if he works long hours, and that financially he supports you- yes? This gives him a lot of power.

If you are set on divorce, you should see a family lawyer. You can set the wheels in motion for a divorce on grounds of unreasonable behaviour. You can start this while you are living in the same house.

You can't lock him out- legally he has a right to come home.

You have got to go to the wedding and the holiday and just grit your teeth for the sake of your kids.

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Terraviva · 17/07/2011 11:24

Your DH sounds exactly like my Dad. He nearly drove my mother to suicide with his inability to listen and utter disregard for her, me & my brother. She walked out one day when I was 3 and my brother for 3 months old - taking us with her. I am so thankful she left when she did!

Why I'm sharing this is because in my early twenties, through my studies I realised my Dad had Aspergers, and from what you say I think it's incredibly likely your DH does too. You have been to Relate and even seen the counsellors at a loss of how to communicate with him. To a certain extent it's irrelevant - it doesn't matter WHY your DH chose to go away when his son's life was hanging by a thread, he still did it and of course you can't get past that. But, it means that you don't have to have a verbal response to him saying 'I'm not leaving' and 'Other people manage' etc. There's no point - nothing you can possibly say will make any difference. He will never hear you. At this point, what you need are actions. As someone suggested, change the locks, or tell your ILs that you've had enough and you're kicking him out. Don't worry about what to say, just do it.

Sod the holiday money. Some things are more important. Check the small print and try to find a way not to lose it, but it doesn't matter if you lose the money.

You have been telling him for 10 years that you are unhappy!! You have given him chance after chance! You have told him many times you want to leave! And yet, I guarantee when you actually change the locks he will be completely shocked and bewildered. So don't worry about what to say - you've already said it, many times over. There is no magic combination of words that will make him listen, but you will drive yourself crazy trying. (PS - I bet you are a fantastic communicator as you've had to try every which way to make him understand you! Excellent transferable skill that Wink)

I wish you every bit of strength and courage for the next chapter in your life. You and your DCs deserve so much better. Oh, and ironically, it's possible that after he leaves he'll actually start being more active with the DCs.

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FabbyChic · 17/07/2011 11:35

YOu have to stay strong for you and your children.

I really don't know the legalities of the home but unfortunately do know you cannot force him to leave and may have to consider moving out yourself with your chidlren, so you can force a house sale and get what you are entitled to from the family home.

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Saffysmum · 17/07/2011 11:42

This is what I would do (feel free to ignore btw!)

Bugger the holiday. Don't go. Yes, you may lose some money - but weigh that up to the cost to your health, both on the holiday and the stress before going - knowing what's ahead.

Tell him to leave. Tell him you want to separate, and possibly to start divorce proceedings. If he says he has nowhere to go, laugh, and say there's B&Bs, family - your problem.

Tell people at this wedding on route to Cornwall that you and kids won't be attending, because you and H are separating. This will make it real, both for you and him; he'll know you mean business.

Stay in the family home. If he says he's not moving, then stop doing anything for him - washing, ironing, cooking, etc. Sleep in another bedroom. Let him know you're serious. And detach from him as much as you can.

See a solicitor, tell them that you want him out, but he's refusing to go, and take their advice. If they stay he's entitled to stay, then tell him that you will lead separate lives until you can get a no-contested divorce in two years time. (He'll go before then, because you will stop caring for him, and he won't be able to cope with the detachment, etc).

Phone tax credits - you are entitled to these even if you live together, but are separated. Get these paid into your own account.

Tell him to go on the holiday on his own if he wants to, but you and kids are not going, and that is final. Tell him to take his hockey buddies with him if he wants to.

Tell real life people, and lean on them. Lean on us.

Good luck.

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Terraviva · 17/07/2011 11:44

FabbyChic - Is it really true that you can't make him leave the family home? I don't know much about divorce laws but I can't imagine that's right! It would be so disruptive to the DCs. Surely she has equal or even greater right to remain in the home with the DCs and can force him to leave?

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Doha · 17/07/2011 11:45

Great post Saffy-OP you would do well to take her advice Smile

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Terraviva · 17/07/2011 11:46

Saffysmum - Brilliant post :)

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Mouseface · 17/07/2011 12:25

Saffy - great post Smile x

Minx - AFAIK, you cannot force him to leave the family home when it is jointly owned. He has as much right to be there, as you and the children do, unfortunately.

You need to go and see a solicitor as soon as you can. You need to go to CAB. And you need to tell him that the marriage is over.

That's all for now, keep it simple and to the point. As hard as it is not to get tangled up in an argument or conversation about the whys/hows/whens/what ifs...... do your best to switch your emotions off.

It's not going to be easy because you still have the few good times/special moments etc to remember. 12 years is a long time, it's a huge chunk of your life, most of it wasted maybe? This won't just be sorted over night.

But in the same respect, he is an adult and it would be civil of him to acknowledge your feelings, just for once.

Take your time, think about what you want to say but if it all goes out of your head, don't worry. Tell him what you want, then stop, let him speak and then react to what he says.

The rest will fall into place wrt the children, access, the house, etc. If he makes threats to go for full custody of the boys, ignore it. You need to speak to a solicitor. They will help you put everything into place.

You can do this. You can start to turn your life around and be free of this man. He may not hit you or abuse you physically, but you have had little affection or affection from him and you've had to go through the horrific trauma of watching your son fight for his life.

You deserve better, this man behaves like a lodger not a husband. You will all be better off apart.

He may well throw 'excuses' and 'reasons' to stay together but I have to say this sounds as though it's too little, too late.

Much love to you and your DSs xx

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Mouseface · 17/07/2011 12:30

*attention from him, sorry.

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Mouseface · 17/07/2011 13:26

Spot on Saf.

Making it 'real' by telling friends and family it's over, is a huge acknowledgment emotionally and a massive step forward.

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RandomMess · 17/07/2011 14:16

Yes to everything Saf said.

You could get divorced more quickly using emotional abuse or similar grounds - I'm sure your solicitor could advise.

We have all missed the obviouse though.............

"I am divorcing you, I don't care want you think or feel."

Effictively he has told you for the last 11 years that he doesn't care what you think or feel so turn the argument back on him.

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