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Am I being naive about my relationship with this man....(long)

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AmInaive · 18/06/2011 20:39

A few months ago I met DP - since then I've been lurking a lot here as he has two kids and I'm childless so the concept of being the evil step mother had me freaking. From the minute we met the chemistry was there - not just sex but we just clicked. So we went out and shared our histories. I've recently come out of a long term abusive relationship - earl last year - and he's just settled a divorce thats been going on three years. In those three years he had a break down and ended moving into a house share with his mate and the woman who owned the house with his mate.

Now, over the last couple of years when he got invites for DP and guest, he took this woman. If he's being honest then he did kind of lead her along but more for companionship rather than any intention of having a long term relationship.

Since about the third week we were together we have been talking long term. Moving in together, getting married etc however the problem is he needs to be sure because if he moves out of this house share to move in with me and we split up then he'd be homeless if it happened within a year or two. His credit is shot - part of the hangover from the divorce, he'd never get a lease in his own name and would have to start over in a new share etc. There is an age gap - he's in his early 50s and I'm mid thirties but is not an issue on either side.

I've just had to find a long term let as my flat was being sold from under me and am moving into an unfurnished house. I was looking to do that before we met but couldnt find somewhere. Now I have and I move in a month. The unspoken agreement is that at some point he will move in withe me - and we have both agreed that that will be "when the time is right". Neither of us want to rush into this - after all if we're right together then we have years so 6-12 months doesnt make a difference. And I'm fine with that. However in the mean time I have to see him go home to his house to his friend. I 100% believe they are not doing anything sexual - whether they have in the past I don't know, and I really don't care. However sometimes I have a few nagging doubts like now, hence the reason I'm asking the panel.

For:

  1. His family(father, sister etc) know about me and that we're probably going to get married one day and have asked what he's going to do about X - he's said well I've never said there was going to be anything long term she has just assumed
  2. His work mates know about me (and for various reasons in my life I know most of his workmates and they know who I am and I see them often)
  3. He talks to my friends and them to him
  4. He'll literally do anything for me with no complaints and does stuff I don't ask or expect him to
  5. He's aware of most of my faults and me his and we can deal with them (I'm a slob and he's a neat freak)
  6. If it wasnt for the living arrangement he has I would not have an issue at all

Against:

  1. We have not said how we'll know when the time is right, I guess I just assume we'll know. But I fear I'll end up being the perennial other woman if at some point I don't say fish or cut bait. But then is she not now the other woman? I get confused over this.
  2. He works shifts, including weekends, and I work away mon-fri - getting time together that is NORMAL rather than heading to bed is difficult. I can't change my job and he can't change his. When we have done stuff such as go to the amusement park (two people our age on the dogems!) it been great, absolutely no issue, but I fear if we can't spend normal time together how will we know when the time is right
  3. He sometimes jokes with his work mates that his girlfriend in X knows about the girlfriend in Y but Y doesnt know about X. That makes me feel cheap and I sometimes think it outweights all of 1-6 but knowing his sense of humour and the fact I've never called him on it tells me I'm being unreasonable

I don't know, I'm just confused. Part of me knows that I will wait until he's sure because I know after what he's been through that its going to be a major leap for him to move out with no safety net and until then the pretence with Y needs to stay. However I don't want to be taken for a mug.

A few times I've reacted badly to things he's done but on running them by friends and then telling him about them I've realised it was just me projecting my ex-relationship on him. I expect to be treated badly so therefore I look for it in everything. Not once has he been less than honest or treated me in anyway badly. I could list some of the things he's done for me (like drive 50 mile round trip to fetch me from an airport rather than me having to take a bus at 11pm - which I am perfectly used to doing, coming over and cleaning my flat, buying new bedding because I'd been ill the day before I had to go away to work and hadnt had a chance to clean or change the bed - d&v it was ugly and if not self employed I would not have gone)

I guess I just want some thoguhts on the above.

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AmInaive · 18/06/2011 21:10

She thinks they will get together one day, he has never said that, she has just assumed. And yes, he is deceiving her. I'm not totally happy with that hence my post.

I'm going up to meet his family in about 4 weeks - when we both have a weekend off together - I think its the weekend after I move.

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MumblingRagDoll · 18/06/2011 21:11

Look. If he were in any way honorable...and a good bet for the future then he would no way continue living with this woman as a cock-lodger.

It's terrible! He's mooching a roof off her...in order to make HIS life more comfy...and less troublesome. That does not say "good catch" to me.

madonnawhore · 18/06/2011 21:11

In answer to the question your screen name poses, I would have to say: yes.

AmInaive · 18/06/2011 21:13

I didnt say she was a secret. They knew he took her to functions etc and was seen with her. They assumed they were a couple. He has told them we are a couple.

I just think if I was genuinely the other woman then he wouldnt have been so open with his family and workmates/mates, especially knowing that I've known them longer than he has in many cases

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MumblingRagDoll · 18/06/2011 21:15

Yes you did say she was a secret...here...

"The reason I'm putting up with it is, the other woman is the one who is normally the secret. I can definitely say I am not a secret - his circle even know me personally not just as "his girlfriend"

MumblingRagDoll · 18/06/2011 21:17

This is from the Wikipedia entry on "Mistress"

A mistress is a man's long-term female lover and companion who is not married to him, especially used when the man is married to another woman. The relationship generally is stable and at least semi-permanent; however, the couple does not live together openly. Also the relationship is usually, but not always, secret. And there is the implication that a mistress may be "kept"?i.e., that the man is paying for some of the woman's living expenses.

strawberryjelly · 18/06/2011 21:18

so why is he not terrified shitless that one of his mates, or his family, or YOU will blow his cover?

none of this makes sense.

I still cannot believe that a 50+ yr old man is effectively homeless apart from lodging with the current couple.

you have not answered my question about how long you have known him.

Why do you want to marry a deceiving, bankrupt man?

Rosemallow · 18/06/2011 21:18

I would say think very carefully about having any sort of relationship with this man.
I rarely post on here but alarm bells are ringing big time.
My mum got together with a guy who sounds similar to him and he used her as a meal ticket, practically bankrupting her in the process.

He is open about the fact that he is pretending to be in a relationship with this woman so he can continue to live in her house?! Nice.
Either that or he actually IS with this woman but is also with you and is flaunting his two-timing to all and sundry.

Neither of these scenarios make him out to be particularly nice. Add in his insolvency, talking about moving in with you early on (into YOUR new place, of course!) and other red flag behaviours and he's not looking like a very good prospect.
If you do decide to continue seeing him, please make sure you have yourself covered from every angle. Take things easy and slowly and find out the truth about this woman.

You'll know from that what sort of guy he is.

MumblingRagDoll · 18/06/2011 21:22

I suspect that she knows....and that she's willing to put up with this. I have seen women put up with FAR mor than this....it's sad but some women will do anything to keep a man.

He can shag you, live with her and boast about his prowess.

AmInaive · 18/06/2011 21:22

"Yes you did say she was a secret...here...

"The reason I'm putting up with it is, the other woman is the one who is normally the secret. I can definitely say I am not a secret - his circle even know me personally not just as "his girlfriend""

No, I said the other woman was normally a secret. I am not a secret.

I don't really think of her as the other woman hence the negative inference doesnt apply.

If I believe him, and I think I do, then it was a casual fling she took too mean too much and now he doesnt want to rock the boat until he's sure of us because selfishly . Which I know is wrong morally wrong but then no one is squeaky clean - I know I'm not

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AmberLeaf · 18/06/2011 21:23

1. His family(father, sister etc) know about me and that we're probably going to get married one day and have asked what he's going to do about X - he's said well I've never said there was going to be anything long term she has just assumed

Why would they ask him that unless they were under the impression he was in a relationship with her?

Mumbrane · 18/06/2011 21:26

I think this is a seriously dodgy situation and I wouldnt have much respect for this man. It seems like he is stringing this other woman along to keep a roof over his head. He sounds like a selfish, immature twat.

AmInaive · 18/06/2011 21:27

They were - he has told them he's not - even before me but they know that she still thinks they are. And I got that in a skype call conversation with his sister

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DuelingFanjo · 18/06/2011 21:27

I think the first point in your 'for' list should be in your 'against' list

  1. His family(father, sister etc) know about me and that we're probably going to get married one day and have asked what he's going to do about X - he's said well I've never said there was going to be anything long term she has just assumed.

surely this means he hasn't sorted it yet.

MumblingRagDoll · 18/06/2011 21:29

You seem determined to think the best of him...so I wonder why you came on here to ask and are rejecting everyone's opinions and defending him so stoutly.

THe general consensus is that he's no good....do with it what you will.

It simply look bad... agree that nobody's squeaky clean...but this is not something anyone I know and like would ever do. Continue to live with someone under th circumstances you describe...they're the actions of a bastard to put it bluntly.

justwaitaminute · 18/06/2011 21:29

If she thinks she's in a relationship with him, they're obviously sleeping together. Does that not bother you?

strawberryjelly · 18/06/2011 21:29

Op you said:
If I believe him, and I think I do, then it was a casual fling she took too mean too much and now he doesnt want to rock the boat until he's sure of us because selfishly .

Bollocks. if he was a real man he would tell her what he felt and that would be that.

basically you are saying she will throw him out if she finds out about you.
And? he'll be homeless? I don't think so.

You asked for opinions.

why are you now defending him and ignoring everyone's thoughts-

and why are you ignoring my question about how long you have known him?

DuelingFanjo · 18/06/2011 21:29

yes, you are being naive.

why not go round to his house and introduce yourself to his ex.

AmInaive · 18/06/2011 21:30

Yet I see him as someone who has been shafted by his ex wife, is scared to be on his own again after he had a breakdown when he lived on his own, and like me feels like we've been hit by a tornado and are still trying to find the ground.

I am moving into my house for me - I don't expect him to move in with me the day I move - but how long do I give it - 6 months, 12 months - it would be the same if there was not this complication, it just adds to it

And yes, I see her as a complication

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MumblingRagDoll · 18/06/2011 21:31

Strawberry She says she met him a few months ago...in the OP

Mumbrane · 18/06/2011 21:32

He can't introduce you? he is banging her nightly, love, open your eyes.

AmberLeaf · 18/06/2011 21:36

She thinks they are still together because they are

strawberryjelly · 18/06/2011 21:37

MRD yes I know that- I asked for clarificaiton- a few months as I said can mean a few weeks or much longer.

Op- presumably then you have never been to his house?

all your dates must be at your place?

how can you really know a man if you have never seen his home?

I think you are living in a romantic bubblle- you see yourselves rescuing each other from the big bad world of ex's and debts.

Just focus on one thing: this man keeps you a secret from a woman in his life.

A woman who thinks she has some sort of hold over him or an unspoken commitment.

what would a decent man do in those circumstances if he truly loved another woman he had met ( ie you.)?

AmInaive · 18/06/2011 21:37

4 months - I havent not deliberately not answered I just have been answering other points.

That is why I don't expect or even want him to move in with me as soon as I move. And why I have doubts.

I think I'm going to duck out now because I can't explain some of the things he's done for me without giving us away or getting him in trouble - I can by PM but not on a public site.

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kaumana · 18/06/2011 21:40

4 months -why are others assuming you would get married/move in.

Truly, I think you are living in fantasy , no one decent would behave they way he is to you or her.