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"But we took you to Statley Homes" Dysfunctional Families Thread

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Snowdropfairy · 31/03/2011 14:04

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010
November 2010

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.

OP posts:
RubberDuck · 03/07/2011 14:26

The kids are writing her emails with their news and to hope she gets better soon. It feels like a bit of a cop out, though :(

samhaircin · 04/07/2011 17:11

Hi everyone, I feel almost embarrased posting on this thread considering what some of you have been through. The thread title attracted me through the thread as it reminded me that my parents do something nice, then something not so nice, but use the nice thing to show how nice they are and to justify any bad/dysfunctional behaviour.

I was just reading the thread yesterday morning and started thinking well at least my parents are not as bad as so many others, and they are not so bad now that I am an adult (though this is partly because I limit contact, keep an emotional distance from them, repress myself when I am around them and don't say what I am really thinking, and so on). Anyway as if to contradict any cuddly feelings I was having about my parents then my mother said something really nasty to me which has shocked me. I just feel I have to write it down somewhere as it has upset me and this seemed like a good place.

She had a bad weekend and clearly was lashing out verbally (she was always like this growing up, but obviously as a child a person is much more vulnerable to it, and living with them as a child it is difficult to get away from it). She caught me totally of-guard this time though.

Anyway to get to the point (finally!). A close relative of mine had her partner cheat on them and the relationship ended. This has obviously been very stressful. My mother said she keeps hearing of people now who have had affairs since then. Then somewhere in the conversation said that she was thinking of me and my ex-boyfriend. I thought, that is nice, she is thinking of how difficult the break-up was for me and how dissapointed I am about it. Ha, stupid me. No, she said she wondered if I had broken up this mans (my ex's) marriage!!! So basically she was accusing me of having and affair and being a home-wrecker.

I had made sure this mans marriage was definitely over before getting involved with this person. This was partly was I did not want to be with someone who was still really in love with someone else, and also if the marriage could be worked on I would be inclined to let a person try to work it out if they could. I would definitely never had an affair as I would not want to hurt anyone. I am as quiet as a mouse and try to always to the right thing and not hurt peple, even if I suffer for it myself. My mother knows this about me, even gives out to me for it sometimes! Unless of course I am being careful about her feelings.

As it turns out my latest boyfriends ex-wife was abusive and this is why the relationship had ended. His ex had aggreed to the seperation in the end. But apparently she didn't want him, but didn't want anyone else to have him. She went ballistic then when he told her he was going out with me and caused him all sorts of problems. She was erratic in when she allowed him to see the children, and did some crazy bunny-boiling-type stuff, only worse! Eventually he ended it with me as he couldn't take the stress anymore. I was very upset as he was really nice and I thought we might end up together in the long-run.

My mother doesn't know all the details of what had happened but knew some of it, enough to know that his ex was maybe not the nicest person in the world. She also knew my boyfriend and knew he was a nice person. I just can't quite believe that she said something so nasty. Nasty about him and me. I felt the relationship I had with this man was special and it was as if she was trying to sully it.

Funnily enough, in reading up about verbal abuse and abusive relationships, trying to understand my (ex) boyfriends situation, I started to wonder if my parents, especially my mother, had been verbally abusive to me when I was growing up. Maybe not as bad as many people's parents, but a lot of the signs of verbal abuse that I read about were things that they did to me growing up.

I had noticed that my boyfriend was behaving in much the same way as I had growing up (and I still do to some extent though I am overcoming it). Though I am very laid back and low maintenance as a girlfriend, he was very jumpy if he thought he might have done something wrong, seemed really worried about saying the wrong thing, put me first all the time but almost to an unhealthy degree, really low self-esteem, feeling not good enough, feeling some responsibility for his ex's crazy behaviour (as I would have felt for my parents behaviour), afraid to criticize his ex, and if he said something mildly criticial of her would say, "well I am not perfect" (as if he had to be perfect to be treated with any respect).

Sorry for the length of this, I just had to vent as I am so angry. On the plus side it made me feel vindicated in keeping my distance.

samhaircin · 04/07/2011 17:16

PS, I should clarify, my ex-boyfriend was not living with his ex when we started going out. I was not on the scene until after they were seperated

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 05/07/2011 07:35

samhaircin I'm sure your story resonates with a lot of people; it does for me. No apologising for yourself here! Smile

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 05/07/2011 07:45

I had a pretty successful convo yesterday. Not with either of my parents (that'll never happen Hmm ) but with my sister. She is as tortured as I am, if not even more so, with a sense of low self-worth.

I've been going to therapy and doing a lot of reading and soul-searching as the result of the breakup of my abusive marriage. Thanks to that I have found out that my mother along with half my family is NPD and instilled low self-esteem in me through neglect and put-downs. My sister has never looked at it that way yet, and I was biting my tongue since I didn't want to impose my discoveries on her; better to let her come to her own conclusions etc.

But yesterday I could hold my tongue no longer and it all came out, about how DM is abusive and NPD. My sister was great! She not only accepted the things I said even though they were new and shocking to her, but she did this awesome thing: I was being angry about the fact that our mother will never recognise any wrong she has done, and so my sister spontaneously and formally acknowledged for me that, indeed, our mother had done damaging things to me.

It felt great. It's not the same as DM acknowledging the hurt, but since that will never happen, it felt great that someone who was around at the time understands and acknowledged what I felt. I feel better able to let go my anger at my parents now. My sister is wonderful.

TeachMySelfBalance · 26/07/2011 13:47

We have been a quiet bunch...I hope everyone is doing well.
I would like your opinions-set me straight if needed...my 'bullshit' meter went off and I would like to validate it -or not.

This concerns my (suspected) NPD lovely Middle Sister. We have not seen each other in over 3 years and only have superficial contact for birthday/Christmas gifts.

She called me to tell me that she has breast cancer.

I gave her what empathy I could, "how awful, that's terrible news..."

It has been confirmed, tests done, etc. Caught very very early Stage 1 mass measure only 6 mm.

She said the doctors said it wasn't the heredity kind, so that's good.

Then she said that her doctor said that she'd never be able to take estrogen or HRT in the future...and then
Middle Sister emphasized that this was not caused by 'the pill'.

Middle Sister has been on the pill since she was 13. She was one of those that had irregular periods and she was put on the pill to regulate it. She never went off it-despite never having had an intimate relationship (a tanget) and has thus never had a child.

She is 51 years old, doing math; she has been on the pill for 38 years.

It is just hard for me to believe that her being on the pill for so long had nothing to do with it.

Just so you know, I won't say anything to her about it. I know better for she will reflexively dismiss anything I say or opine...and I wouldn't want to spark her 'narcissistic rage' at a stressful time for her.

TeachMySelfBalance · 26/07/2011 14:00

ItsMeandMyPuppyNow,
I am happy for you that you have a sister that understands. I have a sister that 'gets it' too-my oldest sister.
They are our 'enlightened witness(es)'.

It is very soothing to the soul to know you have someone on your side, isn't it?

What are you reading? I'm reading John Bradshaw's Homecoming-though taking a break for a while.

garlicbutter · 26/07/2011 14:01

Don't do it, TMSB. It's just another way of blaming the victim for her illness.

In any case, the pill doesn't "cause" breast cancer. There's a correlation between pill use and the cancer, but taking the pill doesn't mean you will get it. She's been getting her prescription from the doctor and I'm sure she's been adequately monitored. It would be very wrong to try and allocate blame for what, really, is shit luck. I hope they've caught it early and she makes an easy recovery.

Going back to your earlier post about your other sister - yes, that's still happening to me! More rarely now, since I only see them once or twice a year, but it did last weekend. Isn't it narvellous?! :)

garlicbutter · 26/07/2011 14:03

Oops, I mixed up your post with Puppy's. I'm sorry!

I have to post VERY quickly these days, I've got a time limiter on Mumsnet (can't believ how much more work I'm managing to do in a day now Blush )

garlicbutter · 26/07/2011 14:04

Oh, well done for tackling Homecoming :) Very wise to take it at a manageable pace. x

TeachMySelfBalance · 26/07/2011 14:18

Thanks for your reply, Garlicbutter.

Yes, thank you, you are right. I said I wouldn't say anything to her about it and I won't. Policy of emotional disconnect. I was just wondering if my thinking was off base or not-thanks for letting me know.

I do not know her gp history, however, I do know her personality trait of second guessing professionals. If a gp suggested that she go off them, I can clearly see MSister insisting to stay on them. I don't know if she'd change doctors or not to persue it.

Just needed a mini-vent.

garlicbutter · 26/07/2011 22:07

:)

Can't check me lumps, I've had so many out my boobs are full of scar tissue!

Congrats on the emotional disconnect. I felt funny talking with my N sister at the weekend. We get along the same as always (which shows how illusory my "close" feelings towards her were) but now I have an undercurrent of thoughts about some choices she's made, which I find reprehensible. I kept worrying about whether I was forcing myself into cognitive dissonance - but decided to re-label it good manners Wink

TeachMySelfBalance · 27/07/2011 14:56

I may be silent as usual, but for significantly different reasons as well, Garlic.
Silence of detachment rather than silence of numbness. That is a kind of Catch 22 for me in that I am still silent for all this healing work. Confused

Did you have a lumbectomy(s), GarlicButter?

M44 · 27/07/2011 15:10

Haven't posted here for a long time. Praying I haven't opened a can of worms. SO much pressure has been put on me to let my dd go and stay with her cousin of the same age. Cousin of same age is very different to my dd although they get on really well....cousin dresses far too old for her age and wears masses of make up and I don't want dd influneced by that. They want her for a week and I know there will be probing into her lifestyle/family values etc and they will put down anything that she says positive to her own life. My parents would be involved too and I can't bear to think of their influence either. I have said no and fumbled my way through excuses and I know mother will ring later demanding to know why she is not going to stay.
I am so close to blowing my head off at them about their controlling, judemental, small minded inconsiderate and derogatory way they treat me and my husband and my children.
Please reassure me I have done the right thing- just dreading the tirade of questions from mother later. I will probably let the phone run onto answerphone.....
Thinking of you all....

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 27/07/2011 15:22

TeachMySelfBalance I'm reading Toxic Parents by Susan Forward. Also websites like Out of the Fog, Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers, ... Sounds like you and garlicbutter would both recommend Homecoming so I'll look into that too, although this point I already have a stack of recently purchased post-abuse self-help books a foot high; might be a bit ambitious to add more volumes to it.

Oh, garlic what time limiter are you using? I want one too! I was thinking today of starting a thread about how to curb a MN addiction... which I thankfully realised would be self-defeating.

TeachMySelfBalance · 27/07/2011 15:33

M44
Imho, you are doing the right thing.

Does your dd want to go? It might be more tricky if she does; but if not-then maybe "she doesn't want to go and you are not going to make her" might be worth considering.

You recognize the degradations and it is good to set boundaries...and an excellent example for your dd to learn about boundaries too. You are not being too sensitive, it is they who are being insensitive.

Do they live very far away? If not, perhaps offer a more limited exposure visit and then offer your dd a private debriefing afterwards.

Velvetunderground · 27/07/2011 15:56

Hi Everyone i hope you are all doing well.

Teach - i don't think it matters how she got ill, she just is. I hope she will be fine but it does not change the person she is just cos she is ill. So i would still be a bit guarded with her / superfical if she was my sister. Sorry. All hoping the minirant is good for you Smile

M44 - you have done the right thing. How you explain it to your family is up to you. Eigher tell the truth or lie but if you do not want her going then that is for good reason and is right for you.

I have taken my son to see my kind of ex-family 2 times this year but i got them to take the dog out of the house and only stayed overnight so son only saw them for 5 hours and i was there to supportives everything and i had an agreement with DH to leave if they did anything i didn't like. With the reallity that they could lose contact with their grandson and me they were all on their best behaviour but i still will never let them have my children on their own. If they say anything negative i challenge it and correct them to teach my son who understands what is right and wrong. So contact is on my terms and always will be. My children my rules and i know what my family is like as i lived thru it.

To be fair its really good to see how posative and happy my son is compared to my sisters children who have their influence all the time. I'm so porud of my son and happy that he can grow and change in a space free from all their shit.

garlicbutter · 27/07/2011 16:54

TMSB, I'm prone to cysts and have had loads of the things removed. You can't be sure, before surgery, whether one's malignant so I'm afraid I've become rather blase about lumps. Breast x-rays show up the scar tissue so I don't bother with them any more. I guess I just have to hope I'll notice if any of my 'lumps' start acting strangely, then make a fuss to get an ultrasound!

Puppy, I'm using Leech Block for Firefox ... though am now circumventing it by using IE! Just for this post, I promise myself ... Blush

M44 and Velvet, of course you have the right to refuse a visit without explaining your choice. Lying's probably easier, though, with all the FOG and stuff. I do think there's value in teaching DCs to recognise and reject abusive or dysfunctional behaviours - you didn't say how old DD is, M44, but most kids can handle it from about 8yo onwards, ime. A whole week might be a bit overwhelming, even for a clued-up child, so maybe consider a few short visits instead? It's entirely your call, mind you; not mine or your mother's!

M44 · 27/07/2011 17:33

Thank you- dd is 10 and brother lives 2 hours away. SHe desperately wants to go. To be fair the cousins get on very well together- it is the adult influence I worry about. I have spun a cover story - which is true. Just trying to distance myself. Still processing parents/brothers behaviour at my birthday do. DH and I had to remove ourselves to the garden to avoid exploding at them. You wouldn't have had a clue it was a celebration for me!

TeachMySelfBalance · 27/07/2011 17:54

Lost post...grrrr.
Thanks Velvet
"but it does not change the person she is just cos she is ill."
It is nice to hear someone say that. I sometimes have trouble expressing my feelings/finding the right words. Blush She does grate on me...

M44-I think you are doing the right thing with your dd. Especially if the cousins are boys, I'd want to keep a close eye on things like Velvet's strategy.

GarlicButter-Sorry you've had to have so many procedures. Waiting for results before worrying is a true talent. My only 'scare' was for an ultrasound after abnormal mammogram (3rd abnormal + redos) I am glad you have had nothing malignant.

Thanks for the Leech Block tip...doubt I could get Dd1 to selfimpose on facebook though. Grin

garlicbutter · 27/07/2011 20:10

I'm sorry I didn't say that, too, TMSB. Shitty people are just as shitty (or worse) when they're sick, old or frail. It would be wrong to blame her for her illness, but that doesn't mean you suddenly have to start putting up with her dramas.

Repeat mammograms. Ouch indeed!

Velvetunderground · 29/07/2011 20:37

Hay everyone,

I'm going to give mumsnet a break for a bit and get ready for the avral of my new baby. I just wanted to say a very big thank you to everyone on this and the passed threads for giving me so much good advice, good books to read and the support i needed to get thru the night when i thought that i couldn't.

Having PND after my first child and rasing all the horrible obscen shit my family put me thru growing up and learning to look after and love my child would have been so much harder if you had of all been there to help.

You are all great strong people on this thread and each and every one of you has showen how strong we really can be and how it was done to us but it is not who we are.

I would like to thank itsgraceagain, manicpanic, mummyhunny, Teachyourselfbalance and everyone else on this thread for helping me when i really really needed it.

You have all shown me so much and helped me get to a better place. So from me and my children - thank you xx

All my other usernames were, findingthepath, snowdropfairy and littleblueboat (they are all meSmile)

I wish everyone happiness and love for the future.

Take care of yourselves xx

Velvetunderground · 29/07/2011 20:38

*if you had all not been there to help me.

garlicbutter · 29/07/2011 20:42

:) Much love to you, too, sweetheart. Hope baby makes an easy entrance. Enjoy your family, and remember how lucky your DC are to have a lovely mother like you :) x