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"But we took you to Statley Homes" Dysfunctional Families Thread

818 replies

Snowdropfairy · 31/03/2011 14:04

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010
November 2010

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.

OP posts:
LittleBlueBoat · 15/05/2011 19:06

Thanks for the replies.

I was scared to look on here as i thought everyone would say that i was being mean and i should help. I felt so bad writing my other post.

They just mess so much with my head that i dont know which way is up sometimes.

Thank you for the support

Also yep i had a good day even if i did feel crapy about this Grin

Also think its great timing Hmm

MizzyWizzyDizzy · 17/05/2011 17:15

Hi Guys...I hope everyone is doing Ok. x

I'm just posting to say Thank You everyone...to all those I have spoken to and all those who posted before us. I have read all the Stately Homes threads and the posters before me have had just as much impact as the ones I have spoken to...you are a genuinely fab' bunch of ladies.

It seems it's time for me to get on with the next part of my life...I think I may be 'done' with it all. Yay!

I had no phone calls or texts over the birthday weekend...but did get caught out by an email....and calmly pushed the delete button without a second thought...no angst, no guilt just a sigh at them still trying to 'poke' a reaction from me. Then set up the email to delete any future emails without me ever seeing anything.

My Uncle also showed his support for me by surprise visiting on my DC's birthday. I think he stepped in to make up for my parents 'card'...he made my DC's birthday complete. As for me....it showed me more validation than any words could achieve. I needed someone close to it all to believe my 'story'...to be my friend and he was there, unasked and so very much appreciated.

I think this is a good as it gets for me, I really don't think I care about my FOO any longer, I don't hate or love them, they just were an event that is now over - I think I have finally emotionally detached completely.

It's an odd feeling not having any parents or siblings as such, but not one I dislike at all - it feels very calm somehow.

I now regard myself as totally separate from them and I like it....the email I think was my personal defining moment of me realising that I am only effected by them if I allow myself to be.

I am in control of me and they can only influence me if I allow them to...if I don't allow it they can't hurt me any more.

So for now I shall be withdrawing from this thread and am going to grab my life with both hands...whether it be good or bad....it will be all mine of my own making.

No doubt I will have blips...but am hoping I am finally strong enough to deal with them and hopefully move on as quickly as the blips came.

Good Luck to you all. xx

LittleBlueBoat · 17/05/2011 20:16

Good luck and best wishes for the future xx

bumblemuff · 18/05/2011 19:01

Hello, I am brand new and was so pleased to have found this thread! I haven't ever been sexually or physically abused, but I think my mum manipulates me and puts her own issues on to me. She can have a very viscious tongue (which she hides from my dad) and dad will support her all the way. She is currently not speaking to me (last two weeks) because I stood up to her 'poor me-ness'. My parents had arranged a holiday and me and my brother were going to take them and pick them up. I spoke outloud that maybe my kids couldn't stay as it was term time, but yes go ahead and book and we will arrange the favour. Apparently doing a 'favour' was the wrong word and I have hurt them. I am fed up with the knowledge that they are retired and hang on to every word my brother and i say. I have told them i am on anti-depressants and don't need the aggro, but apparently mum doesn't want to make up with me, but for the sake of my children. Sorry, I realise I'm not making much sense but they haven't contacted me in two weeks and my heart is breaking... but my head is saying this emotional blackmail needs to stop! Any advice very welcomed x

sungirltan · 19/05/2011 18:39

hey all - i dip in and out of the bwtytsh thread but not been around for a while. posting my dilemma here as advised to on my own thread and looking for perspectives please x

i have been estranged from my dad for 3 years (this time). i find his behaviour past and present unacceptable and i decided i just wanted an ordinary life without his drama all the time. as a child i witnessed horrific dv and experienced years of emotional abuse. my parents split wheni was 7 and eventually i lived with my dm full time. growing up with just my dm was a happy time and we are the best of friends now and live close. i have tried on and off for years to have a relationship with my dad but he always upsets me eventually and i decide i've had enough and cut contact. duirng this 3 year period i got married and had dd and graduated from my 2nd degree. he knows none of these details and afaik no one else in my family has told him.

i have had a letter from him inviting me to a family meal for his 90th birthday the saturday after next with him, my 2 half sisters (his previous marraige), their 4 grown up kids and his 3 great grandchildren plus repsective partners. we have never had a proper family get together ever before. also in the letter was the usual hysterical provocation about the past, how he cant understand why i dont speak to him and a big ramble about an alleged affair my mum had 30 years ago before i was even born. i was so angry i threw the letter accross the room. the letter also states he is suffering from leukemia. this must sound terribly cold but he is nearly 90 and death by some means is very inevitable and has been for some time so the diagnosis doesnt upset me that much. could be worse.

i am in a huge quandry about whether to go to this meal. i would like to see my family but the chances of huge scenes are very high as he loves an audience. i do feel that these issues are between he and i and mayb e its not fair on everyeone if i do go. i cant take dh as he's working (been waiting to go on a job for weeks and it leaves 2 days before the meal, cant risk pulling out as its a long contract but im ok with that), cant take dd and i could only go if i can get babysitter (quite likely as mum or a friend would have her). feel terified of going but wonder if i willregert not going? if that makes sense?

please help

droves · 20/05/2011 13:37

SGT , Why bring up an alleged affair ? I took it to be an excuse for his bad behaviour toward you . WRETCHID MAN !.

He may indeed have lukemia , and if true i am very sorry to here that . Its horrid and noone deserves to suffer cancer.

But i would try and find out via the half-siblings if he actually is ill.
Sorry to be so blunt , but its a classic toxic behaviour to invent or exagerate and illness to regain contact /hold over a victim.

I think you are under no obligation to this man , who quite frankly ,at 90 , knows hes not got long left. Perhaps he wants to die guilt free ,from what hes done and thinks if you visit , he has your forgiveness.

Only you can decide if you want to allow that or not.

Do what you need to for you .

sungirltan · 20/05/2011 21:10

droves - thanks for your reply - my mum is indeed fab :)
i assume he brongs it up because he is jealous and resentful toward my mum for leaving - clearly the beating and destitution weren't quite enough!

i think the cancer is true as have had conformation of other health issues in the past. he doesnt lie as such, he's just completely inappropriate and laways had been.

i suppose i still feel beholden, i dunno why, i just do :(

GrownUpNow · 22/05/2011 20:54

I don't understand why my mum uses anger and fear as a parenting tool for young children, especially considering how badly it worked on her own children.

There's me with all manner of mental health problems, scared of everything, my brother who cares about no one but himself but is absolutely desperate for acceptance, and my sister who is the most balanced of us, but hardly leaves the house and definitely has anxiety issues. Just kind of points to it not working, eh.

She then also doesn't respect my choice to not use anger and fear to discourage bad behaviour. She talks to me like I am stupid and am going to raise hooligans. Asks me how I can expect her to know the behaviour is wrong if I don't show her anger and shout. Tells me accepting part responsibility for the fact that she managed to get to the stuff is like saying the behaviour is acceptable. In front of me behaves in a manner towards my DD that I find childish and unacceptable, shouting and making DD cry by displaying aggressive behaviour, cancelling the day out of fun, storming off saying she can't handle how I am choosing to deal with it, then coming back saying she can't spoil my day out and completely pretending my DD isn't there, to the point of telling her don't bother smiling at me you cheeky little girl just don't look at me and then blaming me for her not being able to connect with her because I won't let her express herself. This moodiness then continued throughout the day, it took almost an hour for her to react to my DD in any positive way, and she was touchy with all of her behaviour (she's two for goodness sake, I don't let her away with it, but some of it is normal and needs ignoring), and even started to get angry with me at points, like when I wanted to cuddle my DD as she fell off a spacehopper and cracked her forehead. The passive aggressive comforting my mum was doing wasn't making me feel comfortable, blaming DD's bad behaviour for the injury and using it as an opportunity to tell her off, and I said to her when she tried to stop me taking her "she's my daughter, let me cuddle her" and I could see the rage in her eyes.

I am voting with my feet, choosing not to visit or actually saying "actually I don't like dealing with it like that, I'll do it this way instead" or pointing out things I find unacceptable. I am just struggling so much to find this woman that I love dearly in my mum. I think she is worse because her mental health is suffering, she is definitely overworking herself and is stressed, but it's no excuse really, because she did it when she was younger too and you can't use stress as an excuse for a lifetime of abusive behaviour. She tried her best, she had a hard start, and she was married to a drunk who abused her, I'm breaking the cycle now, it won't continue down the family line with me, but I do just want my mum too. Can they ever be any different or do we have to accept them as they are?

fingersandthumbs · 26/05/2011 14:47

Hello all. I've recently joined this site and have spent the last few days reading these threads and I'm hoping that you can help me make some sense out of the following. I warn you now that this is going to be long and perhaps a little disjointed so apologies in advance. I'm not even sure if this is really an issue or not having read a little of the "stately homes" thread but I'm hoping someone can perhaps offer an explanation/way forward.

Up until extremely recently, and by that I mean the past few weeks, I thought that my childhood and upbringing was "normal." However, I am in a relatively new relationship (8 months) and my partner has made me think about my relationship with my parents in a different way.

My partner thinks that occasionally I am disrespectful to him. There have been a couple of times that he has spoken to me about this and it has degenerated into a row as I become very defensive and upset trying to justify what I have said that he felt was disrespectful. We have recently had a long discussion about this, tears, nearly breaking up but both wanting to find a way forward. I can understand he doesn't want to be in a relationship where he doesn't feel respected but and here's the crux - I am not always aware that I have been disrespectful, not listened to him until he has had to point it out.

During our discussion he mentioned how he felt that some of my lack of awareness may be down to my upbringing - he had noticed what he felt where oddness, strangeness in my relationship with my parents. The most notable he said was one afternoon when my partner, son and myself were having tea with my mum and dad at their house and my dad commented to my partner that he was surprised he was still around with my mum commenting that my partner was "too good for me."

It's not something I had ever really thought about before. We are/were a normal family. My parents are now retired but whilst we were growing up (eldest of 3) they were self made, successful (status, wealth, outward trappings of success) professionals with their own business. They worked long hours for the benefit of us children. I was always aware that I had what many would consider being a privileged upbringing - private school, large house, ponies.
I was also acutely aware that my brother, middle child, was more favoured than either my sister or I was. He was the one who had a full scholarship, was a naturally gifted both music and academically and was I suppose the golden child, could do no wrong.

To be fair to my brother he never lorded this over my sister and myself, he was and is generous, kind, reasonable etc. But, I always felt that I was being compared to him. I was academically bright as well, top of my class but only gained a half scholarship - I was constantly reminded of how much my education was costing my parents compared to his - and despite my brother being in the school year below me he ended up taking his maths and further maths o levels at the same time as me. So when results time came the focus was on how wonderfully clever he was to be taking O levels a year early. It felt like my achievements were not acknowledged.

In fact looking back and trying to analyse how I felt growing up I think I constantly felt as though I wasn't good enough, as though I was a let down to my parents. It didn't matter what I did, it was never going to be good enough or as good as what my brother did. I can remember wanting reassurance from them that what I was doing was ok, academically, socially but not getting this and I suppose at the time just accepting this was how it was. Ironically, when that reassurance has been given to me at school, university or at work I have had a great deal of trouble in accepting the compliment, passing of my ideas as others or trying to play down the role I have played.
There is so much more now I?m starting to think about, the physical and verbal abuse my mother tolerated from my father for many years as he went through cycles of depression and paranoia, and how that was never acknowledged. The verbal abuse I would get for trying to stick up for my mum or my sister or deflect the anger and how it would spill over into occasional physical abuse that my mum pretended never happened and how I must have been mistaken. In fact looking back, I also don?t remember any hugs, kisses, I love you being given, nothing demonstrative.

My partner thinks that perhaps I?m still trying to win my parents approval so their comments that he is not good enough for me are subconsciously making me push him away so that they are proved to be correct ? so that I can win their approval, show that yet again they are right. He is right, I am very defensive and try to justify what I have said or done by wanting him to see it from my point of view

I?m not sure what to think at the moment ? I know I want to try and make it work with my partner but need help, advice as to where to go from here.

Counselling is not an option we are able to afford at the moment, in fact not sure that it would help. I need to find a way to work out how to get my thoughts out in a competent way. At the moment they are such a jumble.

Sorry this is so long, congratulations if you have made it to the end. Any thought, ides, practical help?

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 30/05/2011 15:04

Hi Fingersandthumbs. If counselling is too expensive, maybe a cheaper alternative could be one or more self-help books? There are a lot of them around (with titles such as Toxic Parents, Healing the child within, Healing your emotional self, etc.)

I can't recommend any personally yet, as I am only embarking on that venture myself. But browsing in a bookstore, or Amazon's "look inside" feature could give you an idea of which book has the right style and content to suit you.

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 07/06/2011 16:15

I can't stand my parents! Warning, this is going to be a brain dump.

Mom is clearly NPD; you all know the drill (playing the martyr, making everything about her, using putdowns, public blaming and shaming, ... the works). But it's my Dad I am angry at now, and I'm trying to work out why.

He:

  • is ruled by fear.
  • only holds opinions he's heard from a Figure of Authority (the radio, my Mom, the government, his schoolteachers long-dead, etc).
  • will change any previously-held view immediately if a Figure of Authority says so, without question.
  • actually whimpers and cries if things do not go exactly as planned, even really trivial things. For example, in the past week, he cried when the bathroom was latched from the inside and he was trying to get in, or when the parking meter wouldn't read my Mom's bank card.
  • that's another one: my Mom has newly denied him the right to have his own bank cards, god knows why, so now only she has them, and he has to ask her for cash. God, can't the man see how he is being abused!

I've just left an abusive relationship 4 months ago. It lasted 12 years. I was in just as much denial as my Dad has been during his 40-year marriage to my Mom, so part of my anger is clearly linked to the anger I feel at myself for being so blind. But it's more than that: I remember being really frustrated with my Dad already when I was around 11 years old, and trying to explain why to my Uncle (the only nurturing adult in my life, and who I rarely saw, unfortunately). The only thing I could say at 11 was: "He's so useless!". And he was, and is. Was completely uninvolved in raising us kids. The only time I ever spent any "bonding" time with him was ONE evening, when I sat down on the couch next to him while he was watching the rugby. He didn't talk to me. However, he would and still will slobber and goo over the children of other people, though.

And I'm just boiling with this unexplained anger today. It feels like this: "Fuck the NPD parent who trained me for abuse, but really, fuck the passive co-dependent parent too!"

The language is strong, I know. I do realise that neither parent ever acted malignantly, and that they were only doing what they knew. But today I am angry.

Neither parent can hear a single word I say. They have been living with me for these four months as I was severely depressed, scared for my life, and unable to function. This was good of them, I know. But now I'm back on my feet and feeling really, really invaded. They only left when I bought them train tickets back to their home. They keep talking about visiting me constantly. They left their slippers and bathrobes in my house and cheerfully talk about my house as their "second home". I am very freaked out. I am filled with dread that one or other or both will expect to come live with me now to help them in their old age, and I really, really, cannot stand to be near either of them. Too much baggage: I can only see their shortcomings, and see through the way they treat me and how they instilled lack of self-esteem in me, and I just want as much distance from them as possible.

Unfortunately, I don't want to go No Contact because of other family members who I do not want to lose (sister, aunt and uncle). But how do you lay down distancing boundaries with people who cannot hear a word you say?

Whew. Thanks for the venting space. I feel slightly better now.

Fimbo · 07/06/2011 16:31

My parents are narcisstic. My father is the enabler. Neither sexually abused me. In fact they drone on about how much they love me.

I have been emotionally abused by them for the whole of my life (I am 43). It grinds me down. A recent example:-

On Saturday we returned from 8 days holiday. Prior to the holiday, dh was away until the day we were leaving, so I had to run around buying, preparing, packing and organsing all the general things that goes with going away. I also work every lunchtime for 1 hr. I also live in a village with not much in the way of shops, don't drive and have 2 children at 2 different schools. It was my mother's birthday on the Wednesday before we returned home on the Friday. I simply did not have the time to buy a gift before we went away, I have never ever forgotten a gift for anything be it Christmas, birthday, mother's day etc. I thought it would be ok to send a belated gift.

I checked the phone on return and my parents had called the night before. I called them immediately before doing anything else. Straight into a "where is your mother's gift" scenerio from my father. Not did you have a nice holiday etc etc. I said I didn't have time and hadn't sent anything yet but would do. "But it was her birthday on Wednesday" was the response. Repeated I had been busy, eventually he asked about the holiday but was not really that interested. I ended up doing and interflora same day delivery service of flowers that day. Mother phones me back deleted. By this time I am beyond angry and cut the call short. I normally have to phone every Sunday at 9am but didn't do it this week. Haven't heard anything else from them.

I am just so at the end of my tether with it all and feel I could just tell them to f off.

Fimbo · 07/06/2011 16:32

Returned home on Saturday not Friday to be clear!

I thought a grown up could wait a few days for a birthday gift but clearly not.

Fimbo · 07/06/2011 16:35

Oh dear I really must preview my mother was delighted not deleted mores the pity.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2011 16:54

Hi Fimbo

Fellow 43 year old here:).

I would read the website entitled "Daughters of narcissistic mothers" to begin with as it may help you.

I recognise the bystander/enabler role that your father is playing; these weak men often act out of self preservation and want of a quiet life.
You do realise of course that whatever you do or don't do is never enough for these people. They both have no empathy for others and love to them is something that they have chosen not to do. They have made the terrible choice not to love.

You do not need their approval anymore and it is okay not to seek it although this is something that is sought by you. They will not and never will be the kindly parents you want them to be.

Have you considered actually going no contact with them or is that a step too far currently?. I would give it some thought anyway as such parents are also likely to make toxic grandparents towards your children as well and use them to get back at you.

Do not call them this Sunday either; you owe these people nothing even though they brought you into the world. That is the sum total of what they have done, they entirely abidicated their responsibility towards you after that and made you their narc supply.

Can you learn to drive also?.

Fimbo · 07/06/2011 17:10

Hi Attilla,
Thanks for the message. My parents think they love me deeply. All I feel I am is a punchbag for everything wrong with their lives. They are resentful of my wonderful pil and hate anytime we or indeed the dc spend with them. I have had mouthfuls of abuse in earlier years about moving closer to my pil (we moved about 10 miles from my pil and about 20 miles from them). They get cross about the fact that when we go back home (we now live in England and they are in Scotland) we stay with my pil. Dh put his foot down there after one too many upset. Now I get "what will people think, of you not staying with us" and "your mother wants to cook for you". They have no bed for ds and expected him to sleep on a makeshift one on a landing. Everytime I try and explain I am "making excuses".

I am plucking up courage to learn to drive. I think they have drilled it into me for so long about how useless I am that most things that everyone else takes for granted, scares me.

I would dearly love to cut contact but some stupid sense of guilt prevents me. As sad as it seems as dh says the only time I will be truly free is when they are dead.

RubberDuck · 07/06/2011 18:32

Much love to you all.

I totally get the anger, ItsMeandMy - the only way I can explain it to myself is part of a grieving process when you realise that the parent you deserve and thought existed never did. I've gone through the whole set: anger, denial, etc and back again. Just not quite reached acceptance yet :)

Guys, I found a really good book last week. It's not really for dealing with narcissistic people but is about how to deal with difficult people and many of the conversation and argument techniques are helpful and I can see me using them as part of my diffusion shield against my mother when she's out for a fight. The writing style is a little arrogant at times and I wish it had a bit more advice on dealing with "dementors" (his description of this personality type scarily fits narcs!), but if you can get past that I think there's a lot of practical value: Water Off A Duck's Back

RubberDuck · 07/06/2011 18:47

Fimbo, I think one piece of advice is don't try to explain. No is a complete sentence. I find this particularly helpful as my mother will try to put subtle guilt - "You never ring me." for example with a hurt tone of voice, which my automatic response is to go on the apologetic and defensive. I've started to realise how often I jump to her tune.

So I could either say "I'm sorry you feel I don't phone you enough" then completely carry on the conversation without explanation and put the emphasis on their feeling that you don't rather than acknowledging directly that you don't. Or, using one of the techniques that was mentioned in the book I just linked to, you can focus on the loaded word "never". "Never? Do you really mean never?" - emphasis is important as they have a strong need to portray themselves as being reasonable people and you're giving them the opportunity to correct themselves back to being reasonable. It also turns a question on them, putting them back on the defensive and gives you time to breathe and think.

RubberDuck · 07/06/2011 18:54

Something else I'm really trying hard to do is remember that no-one else can make you feel anything unless you give them permission. It's really hard because being a child of a narc, you've been trained from birth to be manipulated into feeling whatever they want you to feel: guilt, fear, responsibility.

On the flip side, I have to finally accept that nothing I can do will change the way THEY feel without their permission either. So trying to argue my side of things and get them to see is a total waste of my effort and only going to serve to upset myself more.

I don't want to go no contact, for various reasons, not least that I'm an only child. But I can go no emotional contact. That's my plan.

droves · 14/06/2011 13:07

Sad .... bad day today ...its been some time since i felt this bad.

Ive been having nightmares again , and have had difficult memories resurfacing.
Most of my childhood is a big black hole ...i just cant remember most of it , what i do remember is not good.

I recently made contact over facebook with my cousin. She was my best friend when i was little and we stayed a couple of streets away from each other. I spent a lot of time at her house.

I remembered this ....Sad

Her mum , my aunt was cutting my toenails one day ...i was neglected so they were dirty and overgrown . My aunt painted my toes ... pink nailpolish . .

As she painted , she asked me why i didnt let mummy paint my toes ?.

It sort of came out that mummy didnt cut my nails or paint toes , that all she did was shout and hit me...Sad.

I told her that i was frightened of my mother.

My aunt and uncle asked her if i could stay over at their house ...a sort of sleepover with my cousin..

Then they asked is i could go live with them for good.

Bless them they tried to help me !!!!!

She refused , i got hit again for "telling lies about her" , and we were told we were not allowed to speak to our cousins or our aunt and uncle again.

She also started saying that my uncle had made a pass at her .

He didnt ..i was there . He asked if i could go live with them, very gently saying he and my aunt could see that she was very stressed and under a lot of pressure .
That they were only looking to help her and support her and us kids as my father had done yet another disapearing act.
He gave her a cuddle and told her they would help her anyway they could .

Within weeks we had moved 60 miles away , near to my mothers family.

I keep crying , because i remembered someone tried to help me. Someone cared enough to try.

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 14/06/2011 13:50

Your aunt and uncle sound lovely, droves. They tried to help you because you're worth it.

Your mother couldn't completely see that you deserved respect and love because of her own issues. I hope you care about yourself now as much as your aunt and uncle did back then.

quiddity · 15/06/2011 01:43

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow
"I really, really, cannot stand to be near either of them. Too much baggage: I can only see their shortcomings, and see through the way they treat me and how they instilled lack of self-esteem in me"
yy that's me and my "mother." It's horrible. It makes me feel so childish. I wish I could detach and think of her as an old woman who has nothing to do with me and no influence over my life but I turn into a furious 13-year-old whenever she's in the vicinity.

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 15/06/2011 07:47

It's interesting that you say you feel 13 when you're around your mother, quiddity. I have recently been mulling the theory that part of what I am going through now is delayed adolescence.

Here's my theory: adolescents reject their parents because they need to test their independence, to start asserting their individuality and ability to live as independent stb young adults. As the co-dependent child of a narcissist, I never did that: my job was to be "perfect" and provide my Mom with narcissistic supply, so asserting individuality and independence was out of the question. Now that I'm coming out of the fog, I want to assert my individuality. Part of that means rejecting my parents, as adolescents do.

Of course, I have further reasons for rejecting my parents: their parenting caused me psychological harm, which tinges the distancing-to-gain-independence with a lot more emotion. And as an adult, distancing from my parents cannot be done the way an adolescent does it: I either need to do it with a lot of diplomacy and maturity, or go No Contact. I won't be allowed adolescent outbursts (then again, I never would have been even as a child). I suppose I should say: as a mature adult I don't want to have any adolescent outbursts and would prefer to act with tact and maturity.

But I really do want to cut the cord somehow. About 15 years too late! And that, for me, means limiting contact, and rising above the N bait when contact happens. So, trying not to give in to the pissed-off 13 year old within. Maybe it could help to see "rising above it" as a way to keep your own self-respect, and not as submitting to N madness?

RubberDuck · 03/07/2011 10:22

Sigh. I knew four months no contact was too good to be true. My grandmother has just called. My mother has the flu and is feeling very low. My grandmother knows "we haven't been getting on lately" but could I or the dses give my mother a call.

I said yes and thanks for letting me know, but now... ugh. I haven't gone no contact and telephone does work both ways so is rather low that she's dragged my grandmother into this. There's no reason why I shouldn't call her, but I don't like being guilted into it. On the other hand not calling her now I've said I will looks petty.

Thought about letting one of the dses call her rather than me having to, but then if she is in manipulative mode then she's just going to drag them into it too isn't she?

Argh. Would love some advice on the best approach to this.

MyHipsHurt · 03/07/2011 10:40

Hi Rubberduck - that's a difficult one, but howabout sending a 'get well' card from all of you, maybe saying that when she's feeling a lot better and up to having a chat then you could talk on the phone then? I know from bitter experience that talking to an 'ill' narc is an emotional minefield best avoided, they pull all your strings and you feel even more unable to stand up to them because they are ill and they use that to their best advantage. Good luck x