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Am I making heavy weather of parenting?

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happynappies · 30/03/2011 12:27

I've got a 4 year old, a 2 year old and a 6 month old, and most of the time feel utterly exhausted which I know is probably par for the course. Dh works full-time, and at the moment I'm on maternity leave. I find that other friends are busy with lots of activities - ballet classes, swimming lessons you name it. Typically our weekends are spent either visiting a relative to deliver birthday cards/presents, getting the car MOT'd, getting last minute shopping for the evening meal, that type of thing. Once every few weeks we make a concerted effort and get out to a park with the dc's. Even then it is only for an hour because by the time we leave the house it is time to come back for lunch, and the younger two nap at home in the afternoon. I find that the sheer amount of things I have to do in a day completely overwhelm me. I'm sure there is nothing new here - lots of washing, cooking and cleaning - it all goes with having children, I know. I just seem deluged with it, and can't get on with 'living' because I'm so taken up with all the things that need to be done.

This morning I tried my best to get all three dc up and out for the start of a toddler group which I knew started at 9.30am. Everyone was screaming and crying, I was racing around like I don't know what, we arrived 10 minutes late to find the doors locked, it is a fortnightly group and I've got my dates wrong so we missed it. So went to to local shop, picked up some milk, came home and am now getting lunch ready. Then ds will sleep, will be feeding dd and attempting to keep 4 year old entertained until I start making the tea.

Each day I feel like I'm trapped in a steel cage. I feel that my brain wants to do things other than change nappies and mop up sick. I want to start a business or do a course or something, anything. But on the other hand I can't cope with just getting the meals prepared, dishes washed, and having everyone in bed with everything put away ready to start from the same point tomorrow. Every time I think something, one or the other of the dc's screams or shouts, and I'm going around in circles trying to make sense of this. As my dh points out, its not rocket science - they are only children!! Other people have them, other people manage to stay sane. He is generally very supportive, and does his fair share. In fact, in the evening when he's back from work, we both work flat out cleaning up after the children, doing the dishes, ironing etc, until we fall into bed exhausted.

I had pnd after my second dc, and looking back at what I discussed with a counsellor at the time I see that she suggested we did something that 'energised' us rather than just worked all the time. I've no idea what would energise me as I've lost sight of who I am - I just have to get meals on the table, mop up faces and hands, change nappies, and organise to the nth degree to make any kind of outing possible. I'm weighing up in my mind at the moment whether it is worth actually going out - the stress and anxiety to get everyone ready, to remember everything that is needed, and to get anything done within the timescales given the work I'll have to catch up on when I return... I don't know.

Don't even really know what I'm asking here. I know people might say get out, join groups, see if you can go out with dh in the evening. I feel totally incapable of getting out. I do try, but my brain doesn't work properly and I make mistakes like today - getting the date of the group wrong. When I do get to a toddler group I've got nothing to say. I hare around trying to keep track of everyone, and watch other people in their cliques talking. I feel the most boring person - have got nothing to say. If I make it out to see other Mummy friends they sort of congratulate me for getting out which makes me feel even more feeble. They all seem to have lots to talk about. I don't even watch tv any more so can't even join in conversations at that level. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I don't know whether I'm just not suited to parenting in the early years and it will get better, or whether other people find it just as hard but put a positive slant on it. What to do??!!

OP posts:
GnomeDePlume · 30/03/2011 14:05

I like the sound of a potable baby!

bellabelly · 30/03/2011 14:11

I think you are probably being a bit down on yorself about getting the dates muddled with the toddler group. If that hadn't happened, you'd probably be feeling a sense of achievement for having got everyone there on time. sfor being a few minutes late - who cares about that? Would you even notice if another mum turned up a little late? We are our own harshest critics sometimes.

Stop berating yourself for your "failings" and try to focus on the positives. Easier said than done, I know. I have 4 under 4 (2 sets of twins) and it is bloody hard work sometimes, a lot of drudgery and boring domestic chores. My 2 eldest go to nursery 3 days a week and I can't tell you the difference that makes to my life. Is that a possibility for you? I am not great at getting out and about as much as I could but I'm thinking that it all gets easier as the good weather begins (nappers can nap in buggy while bigger ones play in the park, it's easier just to gather everyone up and head off for an impromptu stroll, etc etc). We go to one regular group per week and it is a pain trying to head off on time but it IS do-able...usually Smile

prettywhiteguitar · 30/03/2011 14:17

All the suggestions above are the ones I try to do too....fo rmy own sanity. Its crazy that a toddler group starts at 9.30 !!! can honestly ay that you deserve a medal just for making that even if it was closed....

you have a 6mth old baby, and a two year old and a 4 year old....thats hard ! To be honest I would scrap any ironing and as soon as the kids are in bed, i would go on iplayer/music/radio sit down with your dh and chill out together.

Ignore mess, during the day I would ask for help cleaning with the 4yr old and get the baby in a travel cot / playpen with toys and do it then, 2 year old making mess on the kitchen floor helping you

Lower your standards greatly ! Just the fact you are getting to relatives is very organised, get people to come to you. We rarely go to visit others cause we are selfish and they don't have kids and want to see us :)

BranchingOut · 30/03/2011 14:34

Some good advice on the thread.

My suggestions are:

  1. Online shopping. Why are you dragging three children out to the shops at weekends? Make sure that you buy enough of everything so that no top-up shops are needed.

  2. Get out of the habit of both of you going to do errands together at weekends. If the car needs MOT, why not have one of you do it and the other person do something at home with the children?

  3. Get yourself a 'present box' and a stash of cards. Then post them to family and friends well in advance of the date. If you can visit them in person it is a bonus. Search for threads on here for ideas.

  4. Always have a plan B. That way you don't get stressed when Plan A fails. eg. when you are under pressure and rushing to get to an activity or group, just think 'OK, if I am too late for the group then we will just go to the park instead'.

  5. Make your 4 year old take on more responsibility. As a teacher I would expect a 4 year old to be able to tidy up after themself, if given clear instructions. Give them some little jobs to do around the house.

  6. Have some special 'Things' you do. I knew someone who would do something called 'pink fridays' for her daughters - if they were a bit fed up on a friday they would have a special box of pink toys, pink playdough, some dressing up clothes and would then decorate and ice pink biscuits. Spend a bit of time putting together a special 'kit' and then you can bring it out as a treat (having tidied up first so you are all clear for the day) and it just brightens up the week. I appreciate that 'pink' might not work for everyone, but it is an idea! Smile

  7. There was a brilliant thread on here a few weeks back about general organisation. Might be worth a read.

caughtinanet · 30/03/2011 14:38

I was in your position and whilst it was hard work it wasn't nearly as bad as you're finding it.

My advice would be to cut out all the non essential stuff at the weekend - do you have relatives to visit every week? The car only needs one MOT a year so that shouldn't be a problem. Spend the time you've saved writing down a plan so that the weekdays run more smoothly. So for each week you need a meal plan, a list of places you must go, a list of what you need to have in your bag for outings (and keep in all in there and restock when needed)

You haven't mentioned whether your 4 year old is using all his funded hours -do you use a playgroup/nursery?

Do food shopping on line and only top up during the week - can your DH get milk and bread during the day.

IMO toddler groups are for letting your DCs run around - I never felt any need to run after them Grin Have a coffee is its on offer and sit with your youngest.

Put the washing on each night or first thing with a days worth of washing and you shouldn't fall behind, don't worry about anything other than washing up/tidying and hoovering - there will be time for housework when your DCs are at school.

Keep posting and lets see if we can help you - tbh your DH sounds a bit useless, let him look after the children is its so easy.

happynappies · 30/03/2011 14:51

Wow, thanks for all the suggestions people have been kind enough to give me. Theres lots of good ideas here - sifting through I can see that on the one hand a lot of the things I am frustrated with will pass as the children grow up a bit, but on the other hand I'm making heavy weather of managing the home. I don't understand really where my time goes! I do menu plan. I book an online delivery for a Tuesday, and keep adding to and changing my list as the week goes by, but because we have a fridge/freezer rather than a large fridge and large freezer which we really need, I keep needing to do 'top up' shops and that is when my brain often fails and I forget the things I need. I have a notebook next to my bed which I write to do lists and keep track of as many things as I can, and I have a diary to keep track of financial things, a family planner for dentist/dr/hairdresser/etc.

We don't have a dishwasher, agree it would save a lot of time, but no space for one. We have a tumble dryer though. I do four loads of washing each day - dc's 2 and 3 in reusable nappies so that is one load, and always do one white load and one dark load (baby muslins, sleepsuits, vests, bedding etc make up most of the white load, and dc's clothes etc for other load). Wash bedding for our bed, three cots and dd's single bed once a week, and generally have a different day for each one as can't get it all dry (don't use tumble dryer for bedding apart from cot sheets). Towels are all colour coded and washed weekly. Ironing is one of the things that can go, I realise that. Dh does his own, so don't even need to do his shirts, but find a bizarre need to keep ironing children's clothes even though I'm sure I never used to. Make bread daily in breadmaker as we were wasting so much before and was constantly having to dash out and buy more - it generally works well as I make one white loaf per week for 6 month old, and freeze and use slices as and when needed, and one wholemeal daily for everyone else. I only make basic stuff like cheese on toast etc and fruit for lunch, but the sheer amount of plates/cups etc to be washed up, and 6 month old is doing blw so lots of food on floor, bibs to be washed etc. We have a takeaway once a week, but still cook for the children, so still lots of prep and 'washing down' to be done afterwards.

I buy birthday cards in advance (just bought most of the year's supply) and try to shop online in sales for gifts, and try to keep on top of that but it needs time. In the evening once the dc's are in bed we find ourselves firstly washing up, secondly cleaning down the dining table, then doing all manner of jobs like e.g. last night dh was searching online for car insurance, I was finishing the census forms, then had to fold/sort nappies and tumble drying, put clothes into piles for various children, clean down bathroom (toys everywhere, water on floor, towels to be put away). It doesn't sound like much but it saps the time away, and before you know it its after 9pm and dd is waking for a feed and this just slides into bedtime. I'm generally up at 5.30am, but it doesn't help me feel more organised. The more time I have the more I go around in circles!!

An element of it is due to the frustration with the monotony/grind as a few people have said. I know there will be those who say I've made my bed, having three young children, but I do find the endless nature of the job quite hard. Everyday you don't move forwards, you start in the same position as the day before if you're lucky and haven't slipped back. Thats what dh doesn't understand. To him it wouldn't matter if breakfast was 10 minutes later or whatever, but to me if we're later with breakfast there isn't enough time get the next round of jobs done. I aim to be at the breakfast table with all three for 7.30am so that I can bf the baby then she can feed self while I serve up the porridge and toast, then bolt mine down, then wash up, then supervise them doing their teeth, change ds's nappy, wash him and dress him, bf dd again, change nappy then hopefully leave house before 10.3am otherwise there is no time to do anything before lunch.

My eldest goes to pre-school three times a week, but tbh although I'm glad for a bit of respite while she's there, its the getting there and getting back to pick her up that presents the biggest challenge which worries me as shes starting school in September. When the baby was born in September I told myself it would be hard to begin with but would surely get easier and I had a year to get myself ready for the school-run. Six months in and things aren't noticeably easier, but more than anything my stress/anxiety make everything unpleasant. Dh remembered his Mum being so 'shouty' that all outings were unpleasant in his childhood, and said I was in danger of being the same. I just can't seem to be laidback and chilled out about it, otherwise things don't get done. Yes sure, I could sit in my pyjamas while the dc's play with each other, but then I've got more work to do either later or the next day.

Finally - I do count my blessings. I have a close friend whose dd was stillborn at 39 weeks, and other friends who have just had two miscarriages. I'm truly blessed to have my lovely children, and do realise this. I also realise that people might prefer to be at home rather than at work. I'm on mat. leave, so know only too well how frustrating work/life balance can be, I'll be back to work in the Summer albeit part-time. Thats another part of my frustration - I should be enjoying this time, but just am not!! Perhaps I'm just tired and having a bad day, not sure whether I'm expecting too much. I'll ditch the ironing and try to have some more downtime in the evening though, and will look more carefully at batch cooking. I think organising the cooking might help me be less stressed and free up some time.

OP posts:
Francagoestohollywood · 30/03/2011 14:54

I think the op is finding it such hard work, because it seems she never has a break.

Sounds like she needs a little project for herself, and her dh should step in.

londonartemis · 30/03/2011 14:55

happy nappies - You probably won't like this idea, but disposables would be a lot less work for you!

cestlavielife · 30/03/2011 14:55

it will get better .
oldest will go to school soon if not already.
ditch ironing. very little really needs ironing - and if DH complains ask him to do it.

make it a rule that you go out all of you to park every single sunday morning - all of you as a family. nothing else interrupts this. if raining then get he right clothes on - kids love jumpiong in puddles. baby will be fine under rain cover. tehre is no such thing as bad weatehr - only bad clothes. you will ALL feel better for ding this .

if you want a sunday lunch - then slow roast lamb or pork you can leave in overn at 0900 and it will be ready at 1300 or 1400
(see jamie oliver slow roasted lamb ditto pork)

cestlavielife · 30/03/2011 14:57

yes use disposables at least some of the time

givemesomespace · 30/03/2011 15:41

Bella and prettywhite are spot on - take the pressure off yourself and don't compare yourself to anyone else. It doesn't get much tougher than your current position.

If you don't get out of the house then try not to beat yourself up about it. IME everything seems work a lot better when you 'role with the punches' and don't set expectations too high.

Good luck :)

DontGoCurly · 30/03/2011 15:44

OP, stop ironing for a start! I only buy clothes that don't need ironing.Saves a lot of wasted time.

FreakoidOrganisoid · 30/03/2011 15:44

I only have two and theyare now older (4 and 3) so feel free to ignore me...(I am a single parent though so maybe that balances out the extra child Wink)

From what you have said the following may help

Evening meal: I sometimes give the dc pudding (yoghurt/fruit etc) but don't eat it myself so whilst we eat the main together I leave them to it with the pudding and use that time to start washing up and tidying the kitchen etc. One less thing to do later then.

Table is wiped and floor swept straight after the meal. DC tidy away their toys while I finish in the kitchen, if they are quick enough they get to watch a bit of cbeebies.

Whilst the bath is running I get pyjamas etc ready and get out clothes for the next morning.

While the dc are in the bath I sort out a load of washing ready to put on (washing basket is in the bathroom).

Then once the dc are in bed all I have to do is bring the load of washing down and put it in machine ready to go first thing, tidy away the last few bits, maybe quickly run the hoover around if needed and sometimes do a bit of ironing-without the ironing it takes a maximum of 5 minutes before the rest of the evening is mine.

In the mornings it takes us 50 mins from bed to door, although I appreciate a bf baby will add to this significantly! Breakfast first and dishes into water, then get the dc dressed, then have a v quick shower (I wash my hair and shave legs etc at night) and get myself dressed, make up on, dishes rinsed and washing hung out then out the door.

Food shopping is mainly done online but I do buy meat veg and milk fresh. Try to pop to supermarket twice a week for these but sometimes end up just going to local shop or eating out of the freezer.

Will your younger two nap out and about? It sounds as though their nap is quite restrictive? When ds still napped I'd quite often stick him in his buggy and use that time to do the shopping. If we were at home I'd try to get as much paperwork/phonecalls etc done during his nap as I could, even if it meant sitting dd in front of the telly.

But tbh, although maybe some of it is organisation I think mostly it is just that you have three preschoolers including a breastfed baby and that it will get easier as they get older, your eldest is at school and the baby is less of a baby!

SpringFollows · 30/03/2011 16:04

Happy nappies, nothing really to add to the great advice here except to say I hear you. I have just one DC, and the relentless, endless nature of it gets me down too. My DH once said to me I needed to just go out... go out and have fun. i went to the cinema and then a cup of coffee. I expected, when i got back, he would have done what i ordinarily would have done in those 4 hours. No. It just meant i was 4 hours behind things.

You can get benchtop dishwashers- would that help?And, yes, try disposable nappies for a little while..... I also used real nappies for the most part, but used disposable as 'emergencies'. if your emergency lasts a few days, or longer, then fine.

Also- you sound frantic and so terribly unhappy. Your kids will not remember lots of trips to the playground, but they will remember mummy hugs and kisses. Take some time out to just pat yourself on the back and give the kids a cuddle. You are doing great, really. 3 under 4? That is HARD work.

MummyBerryJuice · 30/03/2011 16:06

Completely out of line DrunkenDaisy! I would apologise if I were you.

HappyNappies, I only have one 15minth old and another on the way and I feel a lot like you do a lot of the time. I am glad to be able to stay home and care for my son but my job never ends. I have no time off and nights are always my problem (as DS will not settle for anyone else -ever) AND he doesn't sleep. I have not had a stretch of sleep longer than 3 hours since he was born. Sleep deprivation is a killer. There is a really good reason it is used as an torture technique, there are days that I am willing to sell my would for half an hour extra.

However, I do love being a mum, it's just that sometime it is difficult not having anything to 'show' for all my hard work.

It sounds like you are doing really well considering and there is no shame in admitting that things may be overwhelming at times. Do whatever you need to to get through even if it means living in a pig-sty Grin or getting a cleaner or asking MIL or DM to take the kids for even just an hour every week.

MyNameIsInigoMontoya · 30/03/2011 16:08

Freakoid how the heck do you manage bed to door including shower and breakfast in 50 minutes??? I can't imagine managing that EVER! More details please Shock Envy

MyNameIsInigoMontoya · 30/03/2011 16:09

sorry to hijack your thread Happy Smile

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 30/03/2011 16:10

It gets easier as they egt older. Mine are 10 and 7 now, and I get up at 8am and am out the door at 8.40am.

DontGoCurly · 30/03/2011 16:12

About the dishwasher OP....Have you a downstairs toilet with washhand basin? And is the washing machine in the kitchen?

If so you can take off the sink, very easily attach the washing machine onto the pipes there and put a dishwasher where the washing machine was.

Obviously this will only work if there is a washing maching in the kitchen and you have a downstairs loo with a washhand basin you can do without.

I did this before in my old house when I was stuck for space. I could manage without the washhand basin in the downstairs loo but NOT without a dishwasher.

Imo a dishwasher is an absolute necessity! Makes life a LOT easier.

mamatomany · 30/03/2011 16:14

I had three under 4 and it is very very hard work, with DS (number 4 six year gap) we sit on the carpet in the living room and blow rasberries at each other for 40 mins at a time, i feel no pressure to do anything more taxing and he loves it. Won't last forever but as long as little ones feel loved and are cared for, food in their tummy's, clean and cosy they are happy IME>

Becaroooo · 30/03/2011 16:23

The best way to describe it is its like "groundhog day" ...different day but the same things over and over and over...for me its - get boys up, school run for ds1, keep ds2 happy/playing til lunch, nap for ds2, try to get some jobs done (washing, ironing, cleaning floors etc), school run to pick up ds1, get home, keep them both happy til tea time and dh gets home, cook tea, wash dishes, tonight its beavers, then a baby shower then home and bed.

Same tomorrow (except no beavers or baby shower).

Same friday.....you get the drift. This doesnt include caring for my mum or the countless other errands/jobs I do every day. (managed to completely cock up the boys passport applications at the post office today, for example!)

I think your dhs comment of it "not being rocket science" is really out of order tbh...let him try it for a week and see what he thinks then!

No advice I am afraid but, as you can see from all the posts, you are not alone in feeling like this. My dc watch a lot of dvds til daddy gets home in the evening!!!! I used to feel bad about it...BUT they get outdoor time and do activities, but I - like you - only have one pair of hands and there are only so many hours in a day.

Give yourself a break...you sound like you are doing a fab job x

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Becaroooo · 30/03/2011 16:28

Would agree with the other posters...I have a washing machine, tumble drier and dishwasher. I also use disposable nappies. I batch cook potatoes and veg/cottage pie etc and freeze them so ds2 always has a home cooked meal in the evening....dh and ds1 will eat whatever I give them, bless them! For example, tonight its beavers so dh and ds1 wil have pizza and ds2 will have potatoes and steamed veg. Ice cream for pudding.

I get my main weekly shop (i.e. the heavy stuff) delivered and shop at the local co op the rest of the week.

I think when your dc are really small its all about making your life as easy as possible, I really do.

NonnoMum · 30/03/2011 16:30

I sympathise. Have had my four in three years to. Will get back after the hell that is teatime and bed!

YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!

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