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Visiting porno websites and been found out

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happycat · 18/09/2003 22:32

Just come back from a computer course and have learnt some new tricks like what the history button is for and hey presto found out something I do not like about my hubby and the sites he has been visiting getting my drift.At the moment I am still in shock and feel sick (sexy women only I might add)and couples.Any one else experienced this I haven't spoken to him yet but if he goes into history now I have put in divorse websites.HELP

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Moomin · 18/09/2003 22:45

I think it could have been much worse. At least he's only looking at "regular" sites. I don't mean to sound blase, as you're obviously upset and angry at the moment, but IME, there really aren't that many men I know who don't find pornography a bit (or a lot) of a turn-on. Is the secretive side of this you don't like? Has he ever had mags in the house or admitted that he likes it? Do you actually find pornography offensive or just him looking at it? Sorry for all the questions...

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happycat · 18/09/2003 22:50

I don't find it offensive it's the secret side of it yes.maybe feel a bit redundent.I felt the same when I found out he had a secret bank account.I feel like I can't trust him.Not with other women but I tell him everything.

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happycat · 18/09/2003 22:51

He has been to see strippers before and I didn't mind at all.I have too.So yes it is the secret side

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Moomin · 18/09/2003 23:01

Perhaps it's this aspect that makes it more exciting for him? Will he be mortified that you've found out? I think the bank account stuff is just as upsetting, if not more so. You're right - it's a trust thing. If you do have it out with him, perhaps you need to emphasise that it's this (the secrecy) that is the problem, not what he's been looking at. Show him how important it is to be able to trust him.

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happycat · 18/09/2003 23:16

I think I will have it out with him sometime soon at the moment I feel to angry and dissapionted with him.Thanks for your help Moomin

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SueW · 18/09/2003 23:18

A friend of mine threw her partner out a couple of years ago without a second thought when she found out he'd been doing this. They had been together for many years and have a 12yo daughter but she didn't believe he deserved a second chance. She felt hurt, upset and betrayed and said she would never trust him again.

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Oakmaiden · 18/09/2003 23:26

I would be far more upset about a secret bank account than I would about my husband secretly looking at porn. in fact I would probably not forgive my husband for the former, but - hey, he's a man, men like looking at naked ladies - I know my husband has a couple of hidden porn videos (he has "oh so cunningly " hidden them under his computer desk) and although I have never asked, I am fairly sure he wanders off to porn sites occasionally. I also am convinced that they are probably fairly "normal".

I would much rather he look at porn on the quiet (and I think he would find admitting it embarassing to me - and I don't NEED to know about it) than look at "real, live" (actually physically present) naked ladies (other than yours truely, of course!). I also feel that if I felt it made me feel "redundant" than that is something I would have to sort out in my head - cos it doesn't any more than me having fun with my, um, battery powered friend makes my husabnd redundant.

However, as I say I think I would find a secret bank account fairly close to unforgivable.

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wiltshire · 18/09/2003 23:54

I wouldn't admit to the amount of time I spend on Mumsnet to anyone, even DH. They might think I am a bit weird for making bestest friends with my computer. Maybe your DH feels the same about looking at porn. It's not odd though, in fact it's really really normal for a red blooded male to look at it. My DH doesn't bother as he is 50 and as far as he is concerned 'seen one, you've seen em all'. And there is me wishing that he would bring a porn film home one day to watch as believe it or not I have never watched one with a partner. In fact I think that my DH's indifference to porn is weird. Thought all blokes liked it. Was wrong. Now if I found out about a secret bank a/c, that would be different. I would wonder why he needed one, to buy what exactly. Unless this secret bank a/c was to save up for my huge loads of carats diamond ring, he would have some serious explaining to do.

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FairyMum · 19/09/2003 07:38

I think most men look at porn. For me it would depend on the kind of porn he was viewing. Normal mainstream porn doesn't bother me at all. I would be mortified if I found out he had a seperate bank account though....

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Jimjams · 19/09/2003 07:53

Secret bank acount is definitely a no-no. I would be furious!

I found that dh was browsing at the porn sites a while ago. (I think kind of out of interest more than anything!) We then started receiving all the porn stuff in our inbox (I don't think it's linked- it just happened to start pouring in about the same time). So I told him it was his fault becuase he'd been on those sites and now the children would see. (He's completely computer illilerate so I can tell him these sorts of things). Anyway he believed me and hasn't been back on them.

I think men (and some women) do look at porn. As long as its regular stuff I don't think its anything to worry about.

But seperate bank account.....? That's a different matter.

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doormat · 19/09/2003 08:04

Agree with other posters about the porn and the bank account but I can still understand how you feel redundant in the sex dept.
A marriage should not be filled with secrets, it should be based on trust and the truth.I think you both need a good talk.
Hugs coming your way.

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robinw · 19/09/2003 08:32

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Jimjams · 19/09/2003 08:35

Paying sites? Are these paying sites? Then I would be annoyed! DH only ever looked at the free stuff. Paying sites I'd go mad!

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eagle · 19/09/2003 09:10

Hi happycat. I'm a regular poster who has changed her name since if any of you ever meet my dh I would like him to keep his dignity.

Yes, my dh nearly broke up our marriage with this. I discovered it completely by accident. I was working on something when a letter he had written somehow attached itself to what I was doing. It was a letter he had written to a woman advertising herself on a swingers website. He said he was happily married but stuck in a rut, and would like to meet for sex, no strings attached. The shock seemed to hit me like a train. I quickly printed out the letter (dh was in the next room), shut down the computer and went out.

I walked and walked, went into the pub and sat with a drink, reading over his words and every one seemed to stab my heart. I thought about what to do, all kinds of things went through my head, but in the end I decided to confront him. I didn't show him the letter as I wanted to find out if it was the only one. I asked him if he had anything to tell me; he didn't know what I was talking about. I then said that something on the computer had attached itself to one of my files. He went pale.

At first he said it was one letter he had written on the spur of the moment when we had had an argument, but over the next 24 hours I went through all his email and pockets, etc, in the end he admitted that he had been surfing these websites for months and had become sucked in. He had written several of these letters and had received replies too.

He swore he would not have let it get to the stage where he would have cheated on me, but I think most of us can see how it would have eventually happened, bit by bit, and there would have been no satisfaction in it, it would have become a habit without any end.

Looking back, I had noticed he had been more and more withdrawn leading up to my discovery. Romantic gestures were thin on the ground, the usual little touches were being overlooked. I put it down to stress but all the while his attention was dividing.

I had had a baby a few months previously, and of course it was a big adjustment for him. Life was hectic and we had had other problems, he had chosen this as a kind of escape, where he could feel like himself again, and not just someone's husband, someone's father.

This all may seem harmless, and indeed if he had not written the letters perhaps I would have seen it as so. But in our case and I suspect in many others, it is all too easy on the internet to contact people on these websites. As it is, I felt he was preparing to be unfaithful to me, even though he could not admit it even to himself, and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that eventually he would have cheated on me.

I was devastated and considered divorcing him. It is a mighty insult to know that you, a flesh and blood woman, have been lying in bed wondering where he is, and all the time he is downstairs drooling over another woman, or even writing her letters saying he 'has a strong sex drive, waiting to be unleashed.' How those words hurt me, as I was examining my pregnancy fat in the mirror, or the bags under my eyes through being up at night to attend to the baby.

I cried and cried for days, I raged at him asking why he couldn't wait for me to recover from the birth, and he went through hell seeing how hurt I was.

I insisted we go to Relate, which we did, and the counsellor we saw said that this 'internet infidelity' feels very similar to a real affair in a lot of cases, and that my dh should expect to make amends as if he had had one.

My dh went through the therapy willingly, he was very very sorry, and showed his love for me in every way to try and win me back. He said he felt as if he had turned into another person while he was on these websites.

He is a fantastic husband in all other ways, and I did not want to lose him as I love him so much. I decided to stay with him, and I am glad because we are happy again. But I don't trust him as I used to, and perhaps never will. I still read his diaries and check his pockets sometimes, and I give myself tummy upsets if I turn up something I can't explain. I have to find out what every phone number is, every scrap of paper or name, or a worry myself sick. I try not to let him see I feel like this, as you have to give him some space to breathe, but if there ever came I time I was so worried again I would ask him directly.

I think people who have not been through this can't understand how like an infidelity it can feel. It is not so much the porn itself but the secrecy and the lies, and in my case the contact he made. If it can't be done in front of your face it is a betrayal.

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Oakmaiden · 19/09/2003 09:27

Ah, but writing letters like that is FAR different to just looking at pictures of naked ladies. I can completely understand why that would feel like a betrayal - because it was. It went beyond "just looking".

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SoupDragon · 19/09/2003 09:39

I don't have a problem with DH looking at porn on the internet. He doesn't keep it secret as such but we don't talk about it except when I tease him about things he's failed to delete from Temp internet files - I think he's learnt to delete them more regularly now!

If it's nothing depraved or illegal then I wouldn't have a problem. I'd rather he looked on a computer than in the flesh.

I like the idea of putting divorce sites in the history though - do you think he'll notice?

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Rhubarb · 19/09/2003 09:53

Don't be so hard on him! Hasn't anyone on here got a secret they have kept from their hubbies? The internet is a curious tool, porn seems so readily available, especially when your email Inbox is full of porno junk mail. I'll bet everyone at some time has had a peek at some porno sites - I have! You do don't you! Just to see what's on there! I wouldn't feel the need to tell dh, probably be embarrassed too and also because I would think that it's none of his business!

Fair enough, if he's paying to view these sites then yes, that's another matter as he is using money out of your shared account, so you have a right to know where it is going. But if he's just looking, well it's not like an affair is it? I would simply tell him about the computer course you are doing, and what you have found about about the history button and so on. If he thinks you have more knowledge than him on the pc then he is unlikely to want to access these sites again! He might even tell you if you bring the subject up. But I really wouldn't make a big deal of it, it's no different to watching sex scenes on the telly, only more boring I should imagine!

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zebra · 19/09/2003 10:23

DH is always teasing me about how he fancies one of our childminders. I find that a lot more alarming than the idea of him looking at naked women he will never have the chance to meet.

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ks · 19/09/2003 10:29

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codswallop · 19/09/2003 10:32

I agree but I must say it would not please me - partly because of the "me upstairs in bed" as someom=ne else said, and the idea that this is our family computer. SO its a no for me - I am sure he does though. Why are we so undersatnding to men?

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expatkat · 19/09/2003 10:51

Actually, Rhubarb, I have to admit that I've never had a peek. And I get the feeling it wasn't the fact of looking at porn that upset happycat, but the dishonesty and sneakiness attached to it (though Moomin makes a good point that that probably adds to the excitement.) He could have suggested they look at it together, for example--but he didn't.

Eagle--what a story. Glad you sorted things out. I have a story too.

In our old apt in NYC, there was a cupboard so overstuffed with files, old clothes and suitcases that the cupboard's sliding doors went off their track & jammed. So I avoided that cupboard--which didn't inconvenience me, b/c it mostly contained dh's stuff. Anyway, one day the phones went out and I had to call the engineer. The engineer needed to get into that overstuffed cupboard to check on the connection. So I explained that the door was jammed. But as he was a huge, burly guy, he forced it open in about 5 secs. Out SPILLED a stack of porno tapes, and bags of magazines. I said (with as much humour as possible), "My boyfriend won't be too happy you got this cupboard open," and then went to another room ready to explode with anger. I couldn't WAIT for the phone to get fixed so I could call dh & give it to him.

Rhubarb's right in that it's normal for a lot guys to look at porn, especially since it's so readily available. i don't have a problem with that. But at the time our sex life was really poor and I knew he had to be "fulfilling needs" somehow, so I asked him if he ever used porn. He looked at me in disgust and said, "Of course not!" It was that lie that made me lose a little respect for him. I'm pretty honest, and dishonesty kind of gives me the creeps. You really do have to question EVERYTHING your dh says after a lie.

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wiltshire · 19/09/2003 12:51

Errrrrrr have a confession - accidently came across pic of naked man with humungous todger. Did not delete, stayed staring at it for a few moments. Went all trembly. Sorry if this is too much info, but there you have it. If that makes me a pervert then so be it. Deleted it afterwards though.

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lou33 · 19/09/2003 13:20

LOL @ Wiltshire. Dh shows me the porn he finds, no secrets here !

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bobsmum · 19/09/2003 13:46

It seems I'm in the minority here, but I am offended by porn and the whole sex industry. It's degrading and usually involves young, naive girls who have been persuaded to make some quick cash. It's seedy and dehumanising. dh has been into porn in a big way in the past, but has stopped recently.

He told me about his last "look" and was himself really ashamed that he'd let me down. He's admitted that he does lust after other women (that's the essence of porn) and he knows how that deflates me. Every time I know he's wanted another woman albeit in print, my self esteem bombs through the floor. However people excuse it, it means that he's looking elsewhere for his thrills, because I can't give him what he wants. Porn makes me feel like s*.

If he's actively seeking out another woman, it means he's shopping around for something better and to me that's being unfaithful. I've told him that and he agrees.

Yes all men get turned on by porn, but it doesn't make it ok IMO. If you believe all these men's magazine surveys, most men fantasise about rape - is that ok too because they can't help it?

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wiltshire · 19/09/2003 13:48

Bobsmum, I appreciate that we all differ and hope I didn't offend

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