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Is H having his cake and.....

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womblingfree1970 · 17/02/2011 09:21

A bit of a complicated story.H and I split several years ago.Broken trust on both sides.Both of us had caused issue in our marriage.So we seperated and were heading for divorce.

I stayed in the home with our young children and he moved out.Our house was a mortgaged home and so I knew(sought legal advice) that when the youngest reached 18 I would have to sell up or pay H his share of property.Since split I have been a single mum.So I've been the one bringing up the children(visits to dad),providing for the children financially,emotioanlly.Upkeep of home etc etc.The only thing he has provided is £5 a week child support and the odd contribution to school trips where he's paid half.

The £5 a week is a bit of an issue as he earns £40,000 a year but because of a totally legal loophole he only has to declare minimum wage and so only has to pay minimum child support.And yes its totally legal and there was nothing I could do about it.

Well a few years down the lines and we've decided to give things another go.We have been seeing each other for more than a year and a half.The arrangement has been that he comes over and sees me and kids.We go out for day trips with the occasional overnight stay during week and things have been going well.Of course the aim being that we get back together if things go well.And things have been

Well last night we had a chat about our future and what next.H drops a bombshell that although he would like to move back in eventually he doesn't see a way foreward because if he moves back in he has to give up the flat he is in now and so if things don't work out he then has no home and the place he is in now is cheap rent and he'd be very very lucky to get somewhere like that again.Also if he moves back in and he loses his job(he's self employed) and then we split he would then be in the position of no job and no home.He said he can't think of anything to sort this out.

I can understand the reasons for the latter.Its because when we split several years back he had no job and no where to go but because of the circumstances(which were his doing at the time) he was the one who left and he had to move in with a sister.This sister has now moved abroad so if this were to happen again he really would have no where to go.

So yes I understand his situation and the difficulties with it but on mine and more importantly the childrens side of things,we can't live like this forever.Where I am basically living as a single mum,bringing up the children but he pops around to see us.And he has only himself to look after and do as he pleases in his home.One of my thoughts are wouldn't I be better of going it alone and building a new life where I could potentially meet someone new.

So to sum it up I'm the one looking after the children full time(fiancially and emotionally) and maintaining the home(fiancially and general maintainance like decorating etc).And he is living in a flat where he only has himself to look after and spend the evenings watching tv or sleeping.Paying me £5 child support.

Isn't this him having his cake and eating it.

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PeterAndreForPM · 17/02/2011 21:50

if he earns 40 grand a year, pays a miniscule rent and even less in child support....where is the rest of his money going ????

that is a shedload of disposable income Hmm

waterrat · 17/02/2011 21:51

womble I also worry that this man wants to move in in order to get a claim on the house. People make commmitments when they get into relationships - otherwise no relationship would ever happen.

I also agree with several other posters who ask you - all of this aside, do you actually want him as an individual as a partner.

You are in a stronger position financially if you divorce him and settle all of the money stuff - than if you let him move back in, get his claim on the house and never properly commit.

He is behaving appallingly, stay strong on this.

waterrat · 17/02/2011 21:52

also - if he moves back in with no commitment - where is your claim on his savings? You have spent your future savings on the children while he has saved. That is absolutely despicable - but if you get divorced I am sure he will have to give you some of that.

dittany · 17/02/2011 21:53

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HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 17/02/2011 21:56

I agree with Peter Andre For PM (sorry couldn't resist Grin).

I do agree with her though. This guy is on the make not only with the council, CSA but with you too. Nothing he does or says instills trust in you (or us!). He has shed loads of money and if he hasn't - why hasn't he? Because he should have!

womblingfree1970 · 17/02/2011 21:56

Portofino

I would like him back and have forgiven him.But I can't take him back if he continues to put his needs first.

I'm not sure if the fear of having to sell house is keeping me trying at this relationship even when I feel he isn't.It would be nice to get rid of this fear so I can then feel stronger and not take so much crap from him.

Don't really have the fear of being alone in the sense of meeting someone else not bothered about that but more that I am lonely in that I have no real friends or family so isolated

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PeterAndreForPM · 17/02/2011 22:00

right ok

I have the solution

sell your house

put the proceeds in trust for your children

then start again with a level playing field, you and him

see what he says to that suggestion

PeterAndreForPM · 17/02/2011 22:01

hand Smile

womblingfree1970 · 17/02/2011 22:01

((He's trying to get back with you to try and get back with your money i.e. the equity you have tied up in your house.))

dittany

I do wonder if this is part of his reason.Although surely if thats the case he should be jumping at the chance of moving back in.And even if we divorce he is entitled to some of the equity.

HandDivedScallopsrgreat

He has got shed loads of money tied up in limited company which is his anyway(all his).So he wouldn't be in same position as before and I've told him this.

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stripeywoollencunt · 17/02/2011 22:03

okay, you need a better solicitor and to loudly, publicly and possibly using foul language dump this complete fucking arsehole.

seriously, words fail me.

womblingfree1970 · 17/02/2011 22:05

PeterAndreForPM

He would say no because he would say if we then get a property he would be working and not me(as I need to stay at home at the moment for disabled child).So he's paying the mortgage etc.But if it then didn't work he'd have to go because I'm main carer of kids so would be the one that stays in home.And he'd have to wait til youngest is 18 to get his share.He's already said something similar.

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MummieHunnie · 17/02/2011 22:07

If you go to work and he looks after kids, he may try and stay in house with kids and get you to leave and pay him csa!

PeterAndreForPM · 17/02/2011 22:09

but this is yours and his child yes ?

so if you need to be home for yours and his child, what do you think a statement like that says about him ?

selfish fucking tosser

that is what

womblingfree1970 · 17/02/2011 22:12

PeterAndreForPM

Yes both kids are his.

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Portofino · 17/02/2011 22:13

I am not convinced he IS entitled to a share of the equity though. He has paid bugger all for 5 years. You really NEED proper legal advice. What you DON'T need is HIM!

dittany · 17/02/2011 22:13

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womblingfree1970 · 17/02/2011 22:15

Portofino

Yes I agree will get legal advice again>haven't for a couple of years as I thought we were making a go of things.But see the only one making a go was me

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PeterAndreForPM · 17/02/2011 22:16

he is having a "go" alright Hmm

just not the same kind of "go" that you thought he was

Portofino · 17/02/2011 22:17

He is only trying to cover his arse financially. Where is his concern about his children? I would live in a box and eat shit to ensure my dd had a decent life. She ALWAYS comes first. It appears your (D)H only cares about himself.

dittany · 17/02/2011 22:18

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caramelwaffle · 17/02/2011 22:20

I find it.....strange that you are so utterly convinced of the line "what's his is his and what's mine is his as well"

Do you really believe this? Or have you followed the bullshit line he has fed you?

Because The Law says something entirely different.

Look - he Does Not love you.

He is protecting a financial...investment, for want of a better word.

Portofino · 17/02/2011 22:23

Quite - caramel. And wombling, I always fall out with Dittany on MN, but I TOTALLY agree with her comments on this thread.

stripeywoollencunt · 17/02/2011 22:24

loudly and publicly when it is prudent to do so, of course. good solicitor first.