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statley homes thread - dysfunctional families

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Mummiehunnie · 11/08/2010 16:53

I had a look back and could not find the old thread, for adult children who grew up in unhealthy dysfunctional families, and were abused as a result!

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IseeGraceAhead · 19/09/2010 23:13

So glad you're clarifying your thoughts, Ally. Good luck and keep posting if you feel like it - thank you for your update :)

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IseeGraceAhead · 21/09/2010 14:45

God, poor you, dillinger. The first thing I've got to say is - no, don't move near them! I miss the saside, too, but there are lots of other coastal towns you could move to if it is the environment you're missing. You probably need to think carefully about that, though. Are you associating the seaside with a childhood you never had, and somehow hoping the salty air will change the bleak reality of your past?

Your family are plainly horrible to you, and always have been. It must cut you that your P&M have been so much kinder to your sibs than to you. The only thing I can say is that, since they clearly haven't had a personality transplant (they're still vile towards you), they're blaming all their own issues on you. As long as they can keep doing that, they don't have to look at themselves. If you'd succeeded in committing suicide, they would have needed someone else to put it all on - your sister would then have had the same childhood as you. This is an unspeakably horrid thing to do to anyone, especially a dependent & defenceless child. You've done incredibly well to grow up sane enough to pair up with a nice DP and rear contented children. I hope you congratulate yourself on that!

The way they treated you is all about them, not you. You didn't make them treat you like that. How could you have? Look at a little child now: can that child make people act inhumanly towards someone else; can it make adults be mean, greedy, selfish, lazy and rude? No, it's just a small child, trusting grown-ups to take care of it and to know what's best.

They let you down something rotten.

IseeGraceAhead · 21/09/2010 14:46

Oh :( You went away. Please read, anyway - post back if you can. x

IseeGraceAhead · 21/09/2010 15:18

Things my parents didn't teach me. My new copy of Games People Play arrived this morning. I was reading the introduction, where Berne talks about how we learn the rules of social interaction from our parents. Mine don't know them. In company, Dad would always be jarringly 'witty' and Mum piles in far too personally - both intrusive in their own ways, and completely blind to social cues or others' feelings. They taught me how to be polite - a good little girl - but, in hindsight, I was very restrained & withdrawn. I didn't have any social tools beyond the most basic courtesies, so didn't know how to maintain a conversation. I was okay with other children but, as I got older, had nothing in between demurity and childishness to get me through social situations. This probably contributed to the fact that everyone I got involved with in early adulthood was fucked up (mostly drug addicts, criminals and schizophrenics).

I set about learning. I was only vaguely aware of my reasons for being fascinated by social anthropology, but it's now obvious that I was drawn to catering, and then sales, as a career for the opportunities they offered in terms of learning how to get along with people. If you've read many of my posts, you'll know that communication skills are still my obsession. I doubt I'll ever feel perfectly at ease in making contact with other people.

P&M didn't teach me how to dress properly, either. My dad was 'non-fashion' - he wowre a uniform for work, and variations of the same outfit at leisure, throughout his life. Mum comes across as artily eccentric but it's really the result of not knowing how to put an appropriate outfit together. I was dressed eccentrically as a pre-school child. Despite a lifetime's dedication to fashion I still make terrible wardrobe gaffes sometimes, and have very little confidence in what to wear.

They did teach me to read & write early (though Mum now says I taught myself, which may be true). They taught me good table manners, how to ride a bike & climb a mountain, what to do if a child is ill and how to read a map. Dad taught me how to smoke, how to drink, to play chess and to cheat at cards. Mum taught me about nutrition and to have an eating disorder. They taught me to enjoy being in a violent relationship, to mistrust everyone and keep my mouth shut. I'm struggling to think of anything else. Fuck, they were useless!

thisishowifeel · 21/09/2010 17:40

dillinger, I read your posts and I am so sorry that you have gone. I wanted to have an appropriate amount of time to respond, not "on the hoof".

I wonder if you would consider counselling? What you have been subjected to is and was horrible, and you sound amazing to have survived and built your own life and family. You are clearly quite remarkable for doing that.

It would be lovely if you came back.

thisishowifeel · 21/09/2010 17:46

Do you think it's the lack of identity that affects our ability to dress well?

I wonder if, for me, it was part of my hiding, trackybums and baggy jumpers, over my young size 8 frame :( added to the fact that I was laughed at heartily for trying to dress with my own identity as a teenager. Just the butt of the families jokes...."oh THisis has put one of HER outfits together"

It's easier to give up and hide or die isn't it?

That's one of the things I'm rying really hard to address. I have bought more clothes this summer than ever before, I haven't spent a fortune, but have dared to go out in fashionable stuff, with my tummy turning over and over in case anyone laughed at me. They didn't. They told me I looked fab, gorgeous,etc. Someone even said, Oh you always look so well put together, which made me run home and cry, but good crying, apart from the total fucking rage that got me to feel so utterly inadequate in the first place. Bastards.

IseeGraceAhead · 21/09/2010 18:15

Yes, I do, thisis. I used to use clothes as a shell - now I'm slowly figuring out my truth, I don't know who I really am, iyswim, have no shell and am "being invisible" again. I haven't got a look in my head for the middle-aged me (or any money, so it's academic for now anyway). I'm glad you wrote about your summer wardrobe experiment: I'm taking that as an inspiration :)

thisishowifeel · 21/09/2010 19:04

Ah but grace Now is the time....the very end of the sales! I can;t believe the amount of stuff I have bought for literally 2 or 3 pounds! Then it doesn't matter if it's wrong either. You see I'm still not worthy of serious money being spent on me, but I reckon any money spent on me is definitely progress.

I read on another thread about this one being full of people who had "real" problems. It made me incredibly sad, because I remember feeling like a complete and utter fraud when I first came here. Now I know better.

If you are reading this, lurking, PLEASE don't think it "wasn't that bad" Please.

ItsGraceAgain · 21/09/2010 19:48

Well said, thisis. Tbh, I still struggle against "It wasn't all that bad, really". And I feel sad when my sister, who generally clings to the fantasy that our family was all right (if a bit odd), lets slip something about being afraid all the time as a child, and not feeling good enough.

It can hurt to let it out, yes. But not as much as keeping it in hurts.

dillinger · 22/09/2010 10:38

Sorry I didnt realise that anyone had replied to me, I lost my nerve and felt I had possibly said too much. Huge thanks for your replies though, its good to know that someone somewhere was listening.

I agree that I probably shouldnt move back, I had a bit of a think and a cry last night and know in my heart that if I was to move back it would probably destroy me. Id have no motivation and Id give up. I know this. I think its the guilt I seem to carry around with me always, and feeling obliged to be the dutiful daughter and be near them. I know it doesnt make sense though and is very one sided. I remember one time I decided not to get in touch to see how long it would take for them to contact me. It was over 3 weeks, and it still wasnt them that got in touch - it was me. Id agree it would probably be to try and attempt to somehow change my past, or something.

My son started school a couple of weeks ago, no one asked how he did etc My children cry sometimes that they miss their maternal grandparents and that bothers me, I dont mean about the children but that I know those thoughts arent reciprocated. I also dont want my children to keep seeing me so down and low after a visit, as it affects me for a few weeks afterwards. I know we'll have to go down for xmas but god I dont want to. I want to stop being the one that does all the giving, making all the effort. If I dont go they'll lay it on and that'll be more guilt for me. They dont feel guilty for never coming to us though.

Ive had dp in tears before (though he is a bit soppy lol) when Ive told him about my past, he cant believe some of the things I tell him. Theyre almost laughable but every time I was laughed at as a child, made to feel inadequate, told off, encouraged not to bother etc just chipped away at me. Im 28 now and still I dont know who I am. I grieve for the wonderful, achieving, outgoing popular person that I couldve been. Thats the person I dreamt Id be. Id be successful and own a home where I wanted, with a social circle etc.

Ive tried counselling a few times over the years, Im not sure at the moment I want to do it again just yet though I know I'll prob have to at some point.

The clothing thing is interesting isnt it. Ive always been on the 'a bit odd' side of dressing which I liked but when I lost my confidence after Id left home (I felt v lonely, my mum wouldnt have me back despite promising that she would etc I felt like Id been abandoned) I put on a lot of weight and wore big jeans and tops. I lost the weight after my son but got quite big again after having my daughter 2 years ago, Ive been trying to lose weight since jan and have lost just over a stone (about another half left to go I think) so Im starting to look at clothes again but have no idea what I want. Like I know how I want to look but no idea how to get there. I have loads of clothes - some need altering, others I know I wont wear but I cant part with them. Im a hoarder, dp reckons this is probably due to having fuck all when growing up and I think I agree. Like I need to have pretty things, whether I wear them or not. I'll buy things and then not wear them because I dont want to 'wreck' them, or feel as though Im not worth the price of them (and Im not talking expensive either.) Eg I was in primark Blush at the weekend, trying on a cardy and a knitted dress thing. I remember liking them but thinking 'can I spend £12 on this dress and £16 on the cardy?' I know I couldnt shop anywhere cheaper than that yet I almost put them back. I need a pair of jeans and Ive fallen in love with a pair of boots, and I know Id look after them but I still dont know if Im really worth it, yet I also know if I have to keep dressing crap then it wont do my moods any favours! Id like to be more extrovert eg dye my hair bright red or something but I never have the guts to try things. Before I know it I'll be too old to do things like that.

ItsGraceAgain · 22/09/2010 12:33

Well, one comfort is you'll never be too old to do things like that! Have you read Jenny Joseph's poem, "Warning"? Grin

I know it's really hard, but you can get rid of the guilt. Working through the facts about who your family really are takes a while, and it does help to do it with a therapist, but you can start by writing stuff down - either in a diary or here (I do both) - and figuring out with your DP. How would he feel about making an alternative plan for Christmas, maybe just your family? Is there somewhere nice you could go for Christmas dinner, at a pub or for a picnic maybe?

Glad you bought the dress & cardie :)

roseability · 22/09/2010 13:53

Have read the last page, it is so long since I posted regularly I just don't have time to read it all.

dillinger - I started my journey to recovery 4 and a half years ago when my ds was born. I have come a long way but I still have set backs and I am still trying to find out who I really am too. I would never have dreamed about posting here and going to counsellors using the term 'abuse' about my childhood. Abuse was what happened to others, the children who were raped and locked in cupboards and beaten black and blue. None of that happened to me, so why did I carry a black hole in my soul? Wht did I feel such hatred and resentment towards my adoptive parents, I mean they only shouted at me now and then. Isn't that what all parents do?

Oh boy if I knew then what I know now. They do chip away at you don't they, as a child I mean? When I started to question my childhood I was amazed at what I started to remember and what I began to interpret differently - as abuse.

It doesn't have to be beatings, bruises etc (although that is horrendous too). Just not being loved for being you, for not being allowed to grow as an individual but to be a dump site for their rotten parts and an image to project how they wish to be seen to the world - that is abusive and damaging

I have come to the conclusion that there are many types of childhood abuse but they all come under the umbrella of Narcissism. These parents are essentially narcissistic to a lesser or greater degree.

I too used to consider moving nearer to my abusers and did the dutiful thing at christmas time and birthdays. It tainted every special time and like you I felt drained for weeks afterwards, in fact I felt violated. Like everytime I saw them I stepped through some black hole and was transported back to being the child me again. Like groundhog day I went through all the same rituals and like a child I played out my role beautifully. What forced me to change was my children. I just had no energy left to be a good mum to them when my own so called parents had sucked mine out through a dysfunctional straw. I seemed to quench their thirst for narcissistic supply and when I left I didn't exist anymore

You don't have to see them at christmas, that is the fear, obligation and guilt you have been indoctrinated with. I broke that ritual years ago and feel much better for it. Sure they were angry but ask yourself what is the worst that can happen? You are not a child anymore and they cannot punish you.

It is okay to establish some boundaries that protect you and your family

roseability · 22/09/2010 13:58

Oh and the clothes thing yes! After being repeatedly told I was fat through childhood and teens I would hide under baggy jumpers (I was a size 10!)

I actually bought skinny jeans this year Grin. I do not have the best waistline but I do have decent legs so I thought what the hell skinny jeans will flatter my best assets! Now at the age of 31, that is the first time I have complemented any part of my body!

roseability · 22/09/2010 14:11

Grace just wanted to ask your advice if you don't mind?

I had a bit of a set back last weekend, I am not sure if I was triggered. This was after a long period of feeling pretty strong.

I went away with three girlfriends. I am close to two of them but don't click as well with the other. However the two I like also have an exclusive friendship e.g. they do stuff together and are what I would term 'best friends'

I started to feel a bit jealous of their closeness which higlighted the fact that I did not have as much in common with the other girl. Now trying not to sink into the quick sand of black and white thinking, I thought well just because they are close it doesn't mean they don't value me as a friend. However the other girl said something that really offended me (I just get the impression she doesn't like me particularly).

I came away feeling really down and had a teary start to the week. I ended up emailing one of the other girls and telling her I might not come on the next trip because the other girl had offended me so Blush

It all sounds childish and playground like but what I want to ask is this - how do you distinguish between establishing healthy boundaries when you feel someone has violated yours by offending you and when you are just being a bit paranoid and over sensitive because you were brought up in such an unsafe environment? My counsellor said people rarely say things to specifically offend someone they are just so wrapped up in their own world viewpoint and they can only come from that?

Should I have revealed my thoughts in such a way? I felt I was just sticking up for myself but now I am worried I just look bitchy and have made an idiot of myself

Sorry for long winded explanation, I don't expect a reply

dillinger · 22/09/2010 14:42

Itsgraceagain - thankyou for putting a link to that poem, I have read it before and loved it. I shall now add it to my favourites and quite probably print it out to go on my wall. Thankyou Grin

With the xmas thing - we usually see them a week or so before xmas, that way the 'actual' xmas at home, just me and my family isnt spoilt. For years I hated xmas, it wasnt a happy family time in my house. Thing is I know I'll feel obliged to go and visit, and to take presents (that I'll have spent time finding, picking the right things and spending money) and accept the stuff they pass on to us. I dont mean to sound ungrateful but I know the difference between being short on cash, and just grabbing the nearest 'whatever that'll do' that breaks after 2 mins. My sister wont go short. Ive told my mum before - lets not bother spending on each other this year, just concentrate on our own families and she agreed, but then bought things anyway so I had to, and then had to go to exchange them with everyone etc.

I think I'll tell her we cant afford the fuel to come down etc and try the no presents thing again. I need dp to be stronger too, as much as he tries to understand he obv cant completely.

Roseability - I couldve written half of what you posted, it sounded so familiar. I have no idea how to interract with others, if a conversation seems to be going well I know its only a matter of time before I dont know what to say etc. My parents never went to school functions, parents evenings etc I remember one time bringing a friend home from school (I mustve been about 13) and I brought her in the front room to introduce to my parents. After she left they went fucking mental at me for doing that. My dad would pour scorn on everything I was ever happy or excited about. Theyd laugh at my clothes etc but being young I had to wear what I was given.

I see my dads anger in my brother. When he was 18 and I was pregnant with my son he was pissed a lot of the time. I was visiting and in the kitchen with my mum, something happened and I stuck up for my mum and my brother flew at me, going to punch me. There was screaming etc and my mum had to stop him. I got the blame for opening my mouth. Later I was on the phone to dp (he was away and Id gone to my parents so I wasnt at home by myself!!) crying, and my brother was behind me, laughing and making fun.
Anyway I was angry about the incident for a while and wrote to mum, saying so. She replied saying she was sorry itd happened but 'what did you expect?'

Its so true how they chip away at you. I was getting a lot of support from a running forum and signed up to run a half marathon next year. I made the mistake of telling them when I was visiting last (about a month ago) and I get comments like 'ooh fuck that' etc. I always come home wondering 'omg, can I do it? I dont think I can, no I def cant' etc. I dont even know why I tell them, despite practically knowing what their response will be. I think it might be because even though Im now an adult Hmm I still crave the praise I never recieved. I want them to say 'you know what? Youre a great mum, you've done well for yourself by moving away, and you can do whatever you want because we believe in you'. I know it wont happen but for some stupid reason I keep bloody trying.

ItsGraceAgain · 22/09/2010 14:55

Rose, I think your post to Dillinger is beautiful - a statement of love, acceptance and independence.

I don't feel you need to beat yourself up about sending the email. The other two are good friends of yours, and must be aware of your sensitivity as you work through your processes. It's sad to hear her remark spoiled your weekend - and, no, you won't always be so easily brought down! As you say, she crossed a boundary with her remark. Assuming she's a decent person, she probably did feel bad about that but hoped you would ignore it? Actually, ignoring offensive remarks is damaging but you can usually express your feelings with an "Ouch!" If it's a more intentional put-down, there are easy challenges like "Why did you say that?"

Was it your feeling of being unable to challenge her that led to your misery? If it was the comment itself, was there some truth in it (real or imagined)? If you can figure that out, it might help you to clarify your attitude now and prove helpful in the future.
FWIW, I agree with your counsellor. I've got a shocking foot-in-mouth problem! I'm getting a lot better very quickly now, but still have to backtrack at least once every time I'm out in a group Blush

thisishowifeel · 22/09/2010 16:42

What moving posts.

I am so glad you came back Dillinger. I really truly am. :)

You do not have to do anything or go anywhere that YOU do not want to. You can do what you want, say what you want and wear what you want. You can be whatever size you want. You. No one else, just you.

When I started the inner child therapy, Brenda asked me what it was I wanted from the process. It turned out that what I wanted was, to exist. As simple as that.

Equally rose, if you felt that a boundary was crossed, then it was. They're your boundaries aren't they? They may serve to protect you more than others may need, but as things change and improve, the boundaries may move where you need them to be at the time.

I like to push myself now, to test my ability with groups, to not care if someone doesn't get me. They very well may have their own stuff that I know nothing about.

I force myself to go out, even though my first reaction is to say no, and continue to "hide under the sofa". Some of the mums at school are going to a fashion show, they invited me, and although this is something I would enjoy, I said no. Then I thought, no, go, and asked if I could change my mind. It's mad, I feel sick with anxiety about it, yet I have no idea what horrors are going to befall me if I do go.

It's very scary being out from under the sofa, but I have no contact with those who still inhabit "weird world", so I know rationally that the world/them, can't hurt me.

Strange, my "foot in mouth" disease seems to have gone, without me even noticing!

quiddity · 22/09/2010 20:04

"I have no idea how to interract with others, if a conversation seems to be going well I know its only a matter of time before I dont know what to say etc"

Dillinger, that's me!

And Rose: "how do you distinguish between establishing healthy boundaries when you feel someone has violated yours by offending you and when you are just being a bit paranoid and over sensitive because you were brought up in such an unsafe environment?"

That's me too. And buying baggy clothes to hide in when you're only a size 10.
And so much more.
Thank you all.
One of the reasons I keep coming back to this thread even though it can be harrowing sometimes, there's always some new wisdom that someone else has dug up and shared, or some new sign that it's not just me and I'm not in this alone.

roseability · 22/09/2010 23:30

Thanks - I think what upset me was not that she made the comment or that she may not like me. I have made progres in that I don't have to be liked by everybody or love everybody else. I am comfortable with that. I also know as I am older and wiser that people will try and step over my boundaries from time to time.

What upset me was that I didn't make it more explicit that she had offended me and crossed a line. As Grace said there are ways to do this without getting into full scale battles. Instead I fizzed and boiled and unloaded on my friend about it later (not in any nasty way).

I was really down about it all for a couple of days but now I am okay and have filed it as another learning experience and another rung on the ladder that is the journey of life.

Well done thisishowifeel for making big steps socially. It is hard isn't it? I have swung a bit from trusting everybody and having no boundaries because I wanted to be liked and loved by everybody (definately a product of my childhood) to feeling like relationships are so tricky and maybe even distrusting people a bit.

When I finally learnt that my adoptive parents may have personality disorders and the existence of narcissism it was like a wake up call and I thought 'gosh not everyone is on my side are they and there are people who are quite ill/sick and would walk all over me given the chance'

I want to spot those that are not healthy for me without being suspicious of everyone. But I also want to believe in the existence of those who genuinely love me for being me and would not intentionally hurt me. I think a times I am in danger of still looking for that 'perfect' relationship and falling into the trap of black and white thinking.

Toriajayne · 23/09/2010 01:07

My name is Toria and I don't really know how to say all this, but I'll try.

Growing up my parents argued, constantly, my father was rarely home, he worked long hospital shifts, in a hospital in another county so left home at 6am and came home about 9pm. He spent the majority of Saturday and Sunday in the pub. Once every few months he would take me on a day out somewhere (or to the local). He shouted a lot, and I remember always feeling that I had done something wrong.

I was spoiled rotten as a child, there is absolutely no denying that, I never wanted for anything, and if I asked for long enough I usually got what I wanted, when I wanted it. I was an only child, my mum had a few miscarriages, so I understand why she was he way she was, she poured everything she had into me. But I think this masked some of what was going on, if I was crying people assumed it was because I hadn't got my own way, and yeah, some of the time it was, and some of the time it was because my dad had just told me I should know better, or hurled abuse at me for sitting outside the back gate with my neighbour instead of inside it (enclosed courtyard type thing)

Looking back I remember more and more things that happened that have since struck me as just not being right, most notably, my dad once told me, upon finding a broken toy (that for once wasn't even broken at my hand, I was and am very clumsy) that I didn't deserve nice things.

My parents split up when I was 13 and my mum remarried, I threw the traditional strop about it but truth be told I get on well with her and my step-dad but wanted someone to blame for the divorce.

As I got older and into my late teens I began to see why mum left my dad. He has said, on more than one occasion, in front of his friends, that he can still reduce me to tears with a phonecall. He is proud of this fact. He bullied me into performing in an open mic night in a pub, when I was terrified, and when I broke down in tears and said I didn't want to it was him that was embarrassed and he was only proud of me. In the end I called mum, she told me to go home, which I did.

At my wedding he got blind drunk, insulted my husband, mother and step-father, behaved inappropriately with my mother and cousins and eventually passed out on the floor on the bar, after spending half an hour hanging from my neck while I was trying to say goodbye to my guests. His speech was all about him, about how he'd had some hard times in his life and did not mention me or my new husband once. The next day he said I was overreacting, he wasn't drunk and that it didn't matter anyway.

I'm now in my mid twenties and I hear from him once a month or so, he always tells me he loves me (which he had NEVER said before my wedding) and he takes an interest, but I have lost count of the number of times he has promised to come visit me and then either cancelled or just not turned up. Once I called him to ask him something and he was so drunk he didn't know who I was.

He talks a lot about moving up here to be near me, and the thought terrifies me, I don't have children (currently TTC) but when I do I have no idea how I'm going to stop him being a similar influence on them. At the age of 17 I was in an abusive relationship with someone two years older than me, and I spent the entire year thinking it was my own fault and that I couldn't do any better. Even now, I have horrific dreams sometimes about my husband leaving me, cheating on me, even beating me, and in the dream all I can think is "But what will I do without him?" (for the record, he wouldn't do any of those things, he is one of the few people I trust implicitly)

I have abandonment and trust issues, which I have received counselling for, that I can now put down to my father, who was supposed to love and protect me, never being there, and when he was, finding more things wrong with me than right. I am convinced people will leave me, so I try to please them, even when the relationship is abusive, to the extent where I now have friends who I haven't seen in six months who spend all their time complaining that I never visit them, which I feel guilty for, when in actual fact not one of them has been here, in fact, when I threw a party last month, to which they were all invited and all offered a bed for, only two or three even bothered to tell me they weren't coming.

We moved almost a year ago and the day I found out we were going I burst into tears, my husband and I regularly have arguments where I tell him I'm no good at making friends and no one cares about me anyway and I see him getting angry while he tries to tell me that that's not true and I argue with him until I'm blue in the face.

I do have two or three close friends, who regularly tell me good things about myself, but I don't believe them either.

Whenever my husband tells me anything even slightly derogatory, even if it's that I folded his shirt wrong or overcooked the carrots I get angry and defensive, become convinced we're going to fall out (which we do, because I'm sabotaging myself), and in the early days, I "knew" that he was planning to leave me. He has the patience of a saint.

I rarely feel like anything other than a massive failure and disappointment. I started teacher training two years ago this week, and failed the first placement and was told to reconsider teaching. So I did. I left the college. But now I am plagued by what ifs and ways I could have been better, I later joined a scout troup that my husband was running and am now working towards becoming a cub leader, I am having more success with these kids, and this week even felt like I managed to teach them something and make progress with them, but still I constantly compare myself to the other leaders (who are all teachers) and convince myself I'm failing.

In reality, I know I'm not a failure, I have a degree, a job (which is not related to the degree at all but which I am damn good at), I am happily married, and I own my own home, but at the same time I am never good enough. I replace my dad on a regular basis with people who make me feel awful about myself. To the extent that a few years back people were convinced I was having an affair because I spent so much time with a male friend who was so bad for me that when I finally did see it I had to cut him from my life completely, and even then I felt bad for leaving him.

I feel bad about everything, all the time. I have been on ADs (which I called knock me out and drool drugs) I've tried herbal rememdies and I'm now having reflexology which had the added bonus of pulling up some possible fertility issues, so that's one more thing for me to fail at. My body image is a poster child for low self esteem, I'm constantly tugging at my clothes to try and get them to fit better, despite having lost a stone and a half in eight months, leaving all my clothes too big for me. I'm pierced and tattooed, which I suspect is me trying to exert some control over my own life. I've finally stopped ripping my nails down to the quick, though sometimes I catch myself starting to pick at one and have to find something to do.

I don't know if my father is the root of all my problems, I suspect my mother didn't always help, but she has been there for me in my later life where he never has, and I'm pretty sure I probably picked up some issues all of my own. But writing some of this down has helped immeasurably.

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 23/09/2010 14:02

Hi there, I heard about this thread from another thread I was reading. I have read the first couple of pages and will continue to read some more.

I just wanted to say that I think I come from a dysfunctional family. I don't think I suffered abuse. Perhaps mentally but I'm not sure.

I don't really know what to put and have debated with myself about posting here.

I think my upbringing has definitely effected me as an adult, as a wife and as a mother.

I feel a little daft talking about things as everyone elses stories seem so much harder than mine. I feel my experiences are trivial.

I will continue to read and post again when I can decide what to say. :)

epicfail · 23/09/2010 14:42

Hello, I have read parts of this thread - I am trying to gain some understanding of my DD's friend, who is 15 and has been emotionally abused and also suffered occasional physical abuse at the hands of her mother, who is bi-polar and suffers from OCD.

DD's friend says she hates her mother and wishes her mother was dead. She says that when she grows up, if she ever has children they will never know her mother.

I have been struggling personally with thinking that it isnt her mother as such, but the mental illness, that is the problem. But the child has known her mother ONLY like this all her life....

I think what I want to ask you all is, should this child be encouraged to see the illnesses as the problem rather than her mother? Or, given that things have been the same for her entire 15 years and it would seem her mother will never "recover", is there any point trying to encourage a relationship between the child and her mother (now or in the future?)

So much damage has already been done to the child and she exhibits some of her mother's traits at times. An opportunity has presented itself which would enable her to leave home and live independently - but she feels guilty at leaving "poor daddy" alone to deal with the mother!

The dad, by the way, seems to spend his time trying to keep the peace in any way possible and just hoping things will miraculously improve.

I'm sorry I am probably a bit rambly but would appreciate any thoughts. I dont have a yardstick for this as I have never experienced anything like it.

ItsGraceAgain · 23/09/2010 16:44

Hello, epicfail. As you've been reading these hreads, you may have noticed that the single most important thing for those with 'malfunctioning' parents is affirmation - rocognition that we did not get a normal, healthy, happy childhood and that it hurts. Everybody put a great deal of effort into helping me to understand my dad. This led to my gaining a great deal of insight to the workings of a sociopathic mind, but absolutely no validation of my own pain, or recognition that I wasn't receiving a balanced upbringing. In effect, it made me responsible for my own crappy childhood.

The girl you speak of has lost all chance of a stable background. There are no time machines; it can't be put back. I'm sure she knows her mother's illness at fault for the 'holes in her soul' but it has still robbed her of the loving security she should have had. If you tell her "mummy loves you, but ..." then I feel you'd be denying her own pain and, worse, implying she should suck it up and feel sorry for her mum. This is too much to ask of a child, ime. I feel you'll help her a great deal more by providing validation of the fact that she has suffered, it is a problem, and by encouraging her to celebrate her good qualities. If she isn't getting any counselling, she should be. It's not possible to re-invent one's own childhood: counsellors help us identify the damage and to work patiently at fixing it.

Welcome, Coconuts and Toria :) I do want to reply to your posts but will have to save it for later ...

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