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I hate my husband.

77 replies

RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 16:55

I still have the capacity to love him, but I just don't.

He treats me so badly most of the time & talks to be as if I'm something he stepped in. There is no respect there.

Occasionally, he'll be nice & cuddle me & it'll feel like everything's okay. Occasionally, he'll get really upset at how he treats me & apologise & say things will get better, that he'll go back on his anti-depressants, etc. But it never happens.

I want to be happy with him. I want him to love & respect me & for us to live happily ever after with DS. But at the moment, I just can't live with him. Yet every time he gives me a little bit of hope by being nice, it resets everything. It's like I can't hold myself together enough to ignore it. I know this makes me weak.

I hate living like this. I hate crying every single day & being called names. I hate him. But I want so badly for him to make it so I can love him again.

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cestlavielife · 14/07/2010 17:05

you cant be happy with him

you can only be happy in and for yourself.

you cannot make him change. only he can decide to change himself.

you cannot change him.

start changging yourself - your reaction -

get strong, stand up to him, decide what your future is - with him in this way or without.

a few crumbs of tasty niceness every now again -it just isnt worth it is it?

you deserve better so does your ds.

thesunshinesbrightly · 14/07/2010 17:05

He obviously has no respect for you and he does not love you. Maybe you will both be happier apart.

PortiaNovmerriment · 14/07/2010 17:06

Oh dear. You can't stop him being an arsehole though. Lack of respect and contempt is a pretty sure-fire predictor of divorce, according to research that I've read. And why should you live in misery?

Alouiseg · 14/07/2010 17:07

I'd hate him too. He doesn't sound very lovable either. He's using the nice cuddly moments to excuse the shit he's putting you through.

Why on earth do you want to love him again?

RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 17:07

I know you're right. I think this is what I need - some tough love. I can't be trusted to make my own decisions anymore.

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PortiaNovmerriment · 14/07/2010 17:08

Research on marriage

RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 17:09

It's just when he's nice, he's lovely. & I miss him. I don't know where the man I fell in love with's gone. I don't know this version of him.

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RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 17:10

Portia, he does all 4 of those things.

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valiumSingleton · 14/07/2010 17:15

You don't have to love him. It's not your duty to love somebody who is so unloveable. You're not failing here. Your life is not a sacrifice to his convenience, and you would be entitled to end the relationship.

Let me link you to the words of Reality, and some verbal abuse links too.

RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 17:18

I know it isn't. I find it especially depressing that I'm only 21. Most people aren't even in proper relationships at my age, never mind failing marriages. But I want to love him. I used to love him so much. I don't know what happened to him. The relationship went so fast - we were friends for quite a while, but only together for a few months before I got pregnant (despite contraception in case anyone wants to get Jeremy Kyle about it ) & we moved in together whilst I was pregnant & then got married. Huge, huge mistake. Huge.

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Alouiseg · 14/07/2010 17:20

21? Seriously, leave the fucker and go and have some fun.

Like now!

RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 17:21

Fun is limited, given that I have DS.

I am listening to you all, by the way. I'm not actually sitting here with my hands over my ears saying 'lalalalala'. I just need to be told it straight, I think. There are so many reasons why I don't want it to be like this & why a divorce would be so difficult that I need to know that I don't really have a choice, IYSWIM.

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valiumSingleton · 14/07/2010 17:23

read all the way down to the bit about 'the wheel'

Even if you don't think it's abuse, can you see how he throws you a scrap of 'niceness' every now and then, just often enough to confuse you.

By: RealityIsMyOnlyValentine

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or emotional abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/07/2010 17:24

What are you getting out of this relationship now?. You should not be together.

You are not there to rescue and or save him from his demons. It is not your job to do that, you are not responsible for him.

He is being emotionally absuive towards you; no woman or man deserves such harsh treatment. I would also add that the image of the man you fell in love with was a mirage; you are now seeing his true colours.

Would also say that your son is seeing all this and learning about relationships from you both. He is picking up on all the underlying tensions between the two of you.

Would you want him to have the same type of dysfunctional and unhealthy relationship with their wife as an adult?. No?. Well this is what you are currently teaching him, you are teaching him that this ill treatment by his Dad is acceptable to you. Both of you are teaching this child damaging lessons on relationships.

valiumSingleton · 14/07/2010 17:28

You're only 21?! oh hun you poor thing.

My advice is to stop feeling obliged to try and love him. Why should you love him? Is he worthy of it? Love you, value you! What you want matters! How you feel counts!

Breaking it off with these 'types' is never easy. They will cross-examine your reasons for ending the relationship, as though you had no right!! They will tell you you are selfish to end it. I think you will need help to get out of the relationship. Do you have family you can escape to?

kittywise · 14/07/2010 17:29

He is abusing you. He will not stop, unless he goes into therapy, and then only maybe.

He is not abusing you because he is depressed. He is doing it to feel powerful.

Abusers are well known for reeling their victims back in with apologies and nice behaviour every now and again. To lull them into a false sense of security, that everything is ok again.
You are so young,you have your whole life ahead of you and out there somewhere is a better man for you.

valiumSingleton · 14/07/2010 17:30

ps, respect, I 'enjoy' my children a lot more now that I'm free from their father. He used to call me a twat and a midget and an imbecile and tell me I was too thick to cook a ready meal. he wouldn't let me drive. He financially abused me too.

Life, every aspect of it, including motherhood is more fun now. Life doesn't have to be this hard.

RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 17:30

Of the things by the wheel, I recognise:

Humiliation (mostly about my appearance, or that I'm 'lazy' is the new one)
Isolation, but that has happened by itself (although he has been known to criticise my friends)
He has previously threatened to kill himself, but not for a while
Same for intimidation - not these days, but he used to punch walls, loom right over me, etc
Denial & blame - definitely. Definitely.

The only one which doesn't seem to be relevant is the dominance. In fact he likes to complain that I boss him around whilst I sit on my bum all the time.

The 'normal behaviour' bit below it is exactly what happens. Only he calls it 'being nice'. I think it is what most people would call 'normal', though. It's only nice compared to the usual stuff.

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MadameCheese · 14/07/2010 17:30

What was he like on the anti-depressants? He sounds like he needs help but he needs to want to help himself, you can't do it for him

RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 17:33

My family all live a 2 hour drive away. & I can't drive yet, although I started learning this week. I have absolutely no local friends.

kitty, he has had 4 counsellors since we've been together. He is not in counselling now, but this is him 4 counsellors on.

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kittywise · 14/07/2010 17:36

Ok then, 4 counsellors on..... what does that tell you?

How hold is he?

RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 17:36

I don't really remember about the anti-depressants. He seemed better at the time, but before them he was threatening to kill himself / being physically angry, although not towards me.

He was also continuing his porn addiction throughout, which I had no idea about until recently when I caught him. I'm not sure how much difference they would make now. & he's not making himself an appointment or anything, so...

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RespectTheDoughnut · 14/07/2010 17:36

He's 23.

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kittywise · 14/07/2010 17:37

Is he is counselling specifically for being absusive?

whoodoo · 14/07/2010 17:38

Cestlavielife is a very wise woman in my opinion. You're young and you have your whole life ahead of you - please don't waste it on a twat.

From my own experience my mum married my dad after 6 months and after 4 years when my twin and I were 2 years old he started shagging her best friend. Instead of leaving him she believed she could 'change' him and stayed with him for 17 years. She wanted to do the best by us in her view and she didn't want a failed marraige and her parents saying told you so. What a waste of 17 years is all I can say - it was bags of fun growing up in that household. We were all so relieved when he finally left.