Archers - who wants to kill Helen?

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Form an orderly queue...........

Oh no, I didn't know she'd been anorexic

...why was she so attached to Annette, anyway? I missed that bit. She didn't seem to be getting much out of the deal as far as I could tell

She became anorexic after her DP (Annette's semi-estranged father) hung himself some years back.

So she has had a hard time, but still ... I really don't like her.

oh God that's even worse. The poor woman. And there was that naughty ungrateful girl, trying to sneak off?

tsk

...can't wait to tell dp to spread the pain

Yeah, but ...

Some people have terrible things happen to them and it makes them more aware of the fact that life throws difficult shit at us all, and therefore they become more empathetic.

Some, otoh, seem to become less able to see things from other people's point of view (does not mean they cannot also be very well-intentioned or motivated by kindness) and I think Helen is one of these, hence her inability to see that some of the things she says to other people in attempts to help them sort themselves out, may actually be rather cruel. Witness the dreadful things she said, completely not meaning to be cruel, to Annette to try and persuade her to go through with the pregnancy. They were so obviously horrible things to say to a young woman making that decision. Helen was really blind to that, unrealistically so IMO despite her circumstances. Having a horrid past does not excuse such behaviour!

She can also be very harsh, judgemental and bitchy in a thousand little ways and for that reason I really can't stand her. If she wasn't fictional I'd probably be more forgiving, but she's on the Archers so she can eff off

How about if Helen and Will are found in a compromising position in the Dairy by Nic who pushes them both into the youghurt machine which is then found to NOT be organic yoghurt so Susan gets all huffy about it as she has been selling it in the shop.Thats Helen and Will sorted and Nic gets half of the money with the rest going to George.

Susan mouths off as she does to all and sundry about the yoghurt. One night Susan is alone in the shop and there is a crash in the stockroom which she goes to sort out being the important person she is and while in the stock room she is crushed by falling stock and all we hear from the culprit a a throaty laugh.

I have an idea who the murderer is but am trying to work out a better reason other than Helen being an Archer and just being annoying.

You are all very cruel people.

I love it.

I think a good chainsaw massacre would solve a lot of problems in Ambridge.

I'm a longtime listener but recently I've sometimes had to switch off because Helen is GETTING ON MY TIT ENDS so badly - aaaarrrgghh! I also sometimes get a bit weary of all the younger characters mithering on - oh shut up.

Shula is eeeevil but I think you're supposed to love to hate her - the Shula/Usha tension is fab. Love Linda, Lilian is a tour de force, and though Ruth is annoying she's nothing like as annoying as "Deeevid!"

Phil has to go soon hasn't he - the silence is getting a bit deafening.

oh, so we're encouraged to loathe her then

good

Nigel is a sweetie. He can't help being an upperclass twit, he's got a heart of gold. Don't any of you dare do anything nasty to him. He's going to carry on for at least another 40 years, developing into a lovable old buffoon.

Bum. I was wrong about Phil. I was convinced that Helen was phoning Pat about him, not Annette.

Nigel is luvverly. Forget killing Helen: can I bump off Lizzie so I get Lower Loxley Nigel all to myself.

argh!!! i'm pushing myself to the front of the queue with a baseball bat!!! Helen!!!! What an absolute drip! ARRGG!! have just had to switch off i player cos i cannot stand her... oh was it my fault? did i push her away? was i not supportive enough? blah blah blah blah blah!!!!!!!

It never occurred to me that someone might have died/had an accident when Helen said about something terribly sad had happened.

She's such a control-freaky drama queen that I thought it probably was about Annette and actually shouted at the radio "She's only gone to Sheffield, she's not dead!" (34 isn't too young to be shouting at radios is it? DH thinks I'm turning into my nan)

FGS I'm really really at the end with Helen. I just don't get it. All this business of weeping and wailing - enough already.

And I really need them to get the death of Phil over, its starting to prey on my mind.

And there's not enough Linda atm.

Bah. Humbug. humph.

She needs to get together with the new organic veg. supplier her parents put her onto. A few nights of really, really rauchy fun vegetable talk would sort her out.

Oh, R4, not to worry - you were just ahead of your time...

I see on another thread that Friday is mooted as a poss for Phil's demise.

Love all the plot-development theories here and elsewhere!

So - any early bets on Peggy forming a relationship with Ted? A new speaking part must be going to go somewhere. Illicit senior hanky panky while the spouses are slowly deteriorating inside the Laurels/Willows/some other tree-named residential home.

oh dear gawd!!! have you heard helen in tonights ep... she'd thought where the cot was going to go... where to hang the mobile!!! blardy blardy blah!!! bleurgh! get a life!!!

I spotted that one too, Grimma

I've just listened again to last night's episode, and I think the scriptwriters have gone too far with this whole Helen/baby storyline. Its boring and unbelievable. I thought she was going to find Leon's pants or something behind the bed. Do you think it will ever come out?

lol at Kirsty getting all breathless in response to Patrick's lapwing courtship ritual anecdotes ... who is he, anyway? Don't recall him from earlier episodes.

Ominous chat about Phil -- I think Friday's def going to be the big exit.

Add me to the list, loathe her. Yet another preachy self rightous character. Something very wrong with those Archers genes, can't think of one female Archer who isn't a right pain.

ominous chat?... I missed tonight, must remember to listen to the repeat tomorrow...

That stuff with Helen and 'the cot was going to go here' - slightly sent shivers down my spine, think Annette did well to escape.

By ominous, I just mean people kept mentioning him. He was busy doing things offstage, as it were, and people kept referring to him in a way that made me feel like any moment one of them was going to pop across to see him and discover him collapsed on the floor, or something.

But they didn't.

Clearly there is no sign of him not being well in Ambridge, so it will have to be something sudden and shocking.

Ugh about the cot plans.

The Phil-thing is starting to annoy me. The other night he was busy trying on blazers in Underwoods and weeding gardens thus risking his natty clean trews. Agree it is looking like something sudden but that strikes me as very odd given that about 95% of the audience know about Norman Painter.

Anyway, back to the hates. For me it's Peggy. Her very slow, deliberate enunciation, combined with the naffo comments, really bug me. Ted's welcome to her. Bleugh.

I do like Lilian, Pat, Lynda, Brenda, Kirsty (good to hear her again, even in a bittern-related romance) and Clarrie (hope she likes the van named after her ).

Jennifer, Jill, Susan...irritating but usually well-scripted.

Don't actually mind Ruth and think she's being quite sensible about the Pip and "Beemer Jude" (good name) thing.

Bitterns in the midlands? He's having her on, surely? I wasn't listening properly but I didn't think Borsetshire was famed for its reedbeds.