Archers thread #187: Send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for Peggy. Discuss The Archers here.

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Thanks to John Donne for the title inspiration. The funeral of the century beckons. How much of it do we think we will hear? Kate confirmed tonight that Shula, Debbie, Noli and Sipho are all coming. If we hear one peep from any of them I'll be amazed. Bets on Hazel turning up?

Over to you!

I want Meriel for Ruairi.

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There was a brief bout of extreme nastiness, aided and abetted by Lily, when it became clear that both of them saw the pickers and Lexi as lesser, disposable beings.

I disagree with this interpretation: it became clear that LILY saw the pickers and Lexi as lesser, disposable beings, whereas Phoebe (who was one of the pickers herself, and liked and admired Lexi) was outraged by Lily's odious attitude and tore her off a mighty strip for putting the blame for the pregnancy test Roy found in the bathroom onto Lexi rather than Phoebe having had a ONS with Constantin (whom Lexi described as "a busy little boy" because of his sexual incontinence).

After Roy had just found the test, Phoebe (whose test it was) didn't manage to say anything while Lily launched into the set of total lies about Lexi and Constantin, because she didn't actually want to talk with her father about being afraid she might be pregnant from a ONS.

I have taught a human Brodie but have never met a canine Brodie.

Just listened to the dull funeral - if they had done it while the Peggy actress was still alive to enjoy it, she would have enjoyed it!

Yes @Buxusmortus thats what I meant. I was going to get a pen paper and draw out the family tree but knew it would be easier asking you lot 😉

So Phoebe, who can’t have seen her South African half-sister and brother for yonks, spends the entire day with Kirsty and doesn’t even take her siblings along to admire her legacy? (And there’s no way they’d have left Ambridge immediately.)

You have ‘met’ Noluthando, @TottersBlanklyIntoThePhysicGarden ?
Well, then.

A BOOP for the tremor in Kristy’s voice when she was congratulating Phoebe.

(Honorary Aunt, indeed.)

I don’t know if we should be imagining delighted reunion hugs between Noli and Freddie - or not?

Good grief. I can't take any more Peggy funeral.

Phoebe called Kirsty “kirst” (cursed)? 🫣

There was some terrible acting tonight.

It reminded me why I never took to Phoebe even when she was around. Terribly dull (and to me rather unpleasant) voice.

Poor Kristy - she really wants a baby doesn’t she (or even a grandbaby!). She really sounded like she was having to swallow jealousy over Phoebe’s baby and the
honorary auntie bit was somewhat of a bitter pill. Maybe she’ll get promoted to godmother.

It's interesting how the generations have panned out between the 2 matriarchs. Peggy had 3 children, 8 grandchildren [Adam, Debbie, Kate, Alice, James, John, Helen and Tom] and 11 great grandchildren [Phoebe, Noli, Sipho, Zander, Martha, Mungo, the Starry Twins, Johnny, Henry and Jack].

Jill has 4 children, 7 grandchildren [Pip, Ben, Josh, Meriel, Lily, Freddie and Dan] but only 1 great grandchild- Rosie- assuming the never heard from Meriel has no children.

For the Peggy dynasty Phoebe's child will be the first great, great grandchild and of the great grandchildren Noli and Johnny are now old enough to be parents.

For the Jill dynasty, there's no possibility of a great, great grandchild for at least the next 15 years or so. So far as more great grandchildren Pip doesn't seem to want another child; Ben, Josh, Lily and Freddie don't seem likely to have children in the foreseeable future. Dan is awol so far as the SWs.

Jill is younger than Peggy and so her grandchildren are younger too. Give them time…Ben has already had one near miss…

Jill is only 6 years younger than Peggy. Jill was born in 1930 and Peggy 1924.

Thought for the day: Why isn’t Kirsty dating?

There are bound to be a few single dads in Felpersham/Borchester.

I see on X that they had to rejig Friday’s episode because “Tony” was unwell. I hope the actor is okay.

Found a family tree from 2009

https://images.app.goo.gl/bT4DT

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Justin is goinh to edge Kirsty out of the rewilding, isn't he?

Just heard, on the Trooping of the Colour, one of the soldiers has just become a father to Brodie.

Helen is a legit bunny boiler

agree it’s odd that Phoebe wasn’t spending time with her siblings

A BOOP for the tremor in Kristy’s voice when she was congratulating Phoebe.

I so much want Kirsty & Rex to get together and adopt young siblings.

Yes - perhaps near jacks age and they will become friends and do something really naughty which was jacks fault but will be blamed on the ‘troubled’ adopted kid and Kirsty and Helen will fall out

No! Whenever adoption is mentioned on MN, posters who have not adopted insist that all adopted children are troubled and have issues now or will have further down the line. I know this isn't true and would like my experience to be reflected in a TA storyline.