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Archers thread #166: Choppy waters in Ambridge! Look out for the red flags and discuss The Archers here.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/05/2024 21:38

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Trivium4all · 30/05/2024 22:21

Eek, now that you mention it, Oliver mentioning that his horse was needing a drink after that hack does seem ominous! At Endurance rides, I don't really expect that my horse will be interested in a drink much before having gone about 3h at speed, unless it's a really warm day...

As to the DDay storyline, speaking as a German who moved into Anglosphere countries as a child and then lived in the UK for a long time, I find the focus on Home Front nostalgia to be quite realistic, in terms of my experiences of how commemorations go in these countries. Having played for numerous Remembrance Day services, I still feel quite queasy at the particular brand of nostalgia, that seems to paint a vaguely golden-brown aura around the whole time, which feels really unexamined and uncritical. I'm sure it's not universal, but the storyline does ring true in terms of my own experiences of WWI and WWII commemorations.

As a small child, my grandmother taught me to place my clothes carefully in order on the chair: presumably really in order to avoid a "floordrobe" forming, but the explanation was that one did this to be able to put them on in the dark during an air raid. And her anecdotes, which I found amusing because I was too small to understand them, were really about avoiding being raped by Russian soldiers billeted in her house, as a young widow with three very small children.

Soldiers, especially the victims of conscription, were never sold as "heroes" in post-war Germany (for obvious reasons). I find it interesting that someone earlier (sorry, forgot who, and can't be arsed to look back) commented that one is "supposed" to call them "Nazis" instead of "Germans", and that a German of her acquaintance thought this annoying. I too would find this annoying: plenty of Germans weren't party members, and plenty had little to no choice in terms of taking part in the war, my grandfathers included. Some were naïve, and some believed lies...the big lesson, I think, should be that if it could happen in Germany at that time, it really could happen anywhere, at any time. Including in anglosphere countries that like to pat themselves on their backs about how virtuous they were.

Bertold Brecht wrote in 1928, in the Three-Penny Opera:
"Der Mensch ist gar nicht gut,
Drum hau ihn auf den Hut.
Hast du ihn auf den Hut gehaun,
So wird er vielleicht gut."

"Man is really not good,/so hit him on the hat [head]./When you've hit him on the hat,/maybe he'll become good." (engage irony filter!)

Sums it all up, really...

JanglyBeads · 30/05/2024 22:49

Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom @Trivium4all, very interesting.

JanglyBeads · 30/05/2024 22:49

*experiences

Alwaysdieting · 31/05/2024 04:58

Well it looks like Alice is going to be blamed for everything that goes wrong in Ambridge. I bet its nothing to do with her in the end.
Yep Olivers horse is going to get infected.
Funny that Jason didnt want Freddie to help load his van or is that a red herring amongst the meat?
I wouldnt fancy sitting in a hot tub with Vince he sounds big and hairy if you know what I mean.

TherapistInATabard · 31/05/2024 08:08

I wouldnt fancy sitting in a hot tub with Vince he sounds big and hairy if you know what I mean.

I do know what you mean, and wish I didn’t 😄

I started to write something about the meat thief, but really have no idea where this story is going so can’t even be arsed to speculate.

At livery stables, do horses ever drink from a communal trough, or do they have their own water in their stables? CBA to listen again but I’m sure Oliver took his horse off for a drink and I thought oho, does strangles spread through contaminated water as well?

DeanElderberry · 31/05/2024 08:16

I couldn't understand why he wasn't warned that there was contagious disease at the stables and offered water in a (properly cleaned) bucket. It seemed irresponsible.

LillianGish · 31/05/2024 08:19

Excellent post @Trivium4all especially Some were naïve, and some believed lies...the big lesson, I think, should be that if it could happen in Germany at that time, it really could happen anywhere, at any time.
Does anyone else find Freddie following the delivery driver slightly reminiscent of Ed and and Timotei a few years back?

DeanElderberry · 31/05/2024 08:21

Yes, I immediately thought of the Timotei stuff (which I hated, it was one of those times when I stopped listening for a while).

Bruisername · 31/05/2024 08:22

The reason my mil hates using nazi instead of Germans is that she is from the generation that spent the 60s and 70s fighting to recognise what happened rather than sweep it under the carpet

i hope we don’t have to hear too much about horse suffering. It sounds really horrible

I guess Jakob couldn’t say anything but was probably hoping Lillian would

TheUsualChaos · 31/05/2024 08:23

Cringe at the way Vince was casually telling Freddie all about his hot tub plans with Elizabeth. He's Elizabeth's son not just another bloke at the plant. The dynamic is so weird.

Yes Jason seems too obvious. Or will Freddie discover it's him but feel bad after hearing his sob story about all his money woes and decide to keep quiet?

Bruisername · 31/05/2024 08:24

I missed the Timotei stuff (isn’t that a shampoo)

do ambridgites all have undercover training? I don’t think following someone - particularly at night when there aren’t many cars on the road and in a rural area - is that easy

TheUsualChaos · 31/05/2024 08:39

That's what I thought @Bruisername. It would be quite easy to notice surely 🤦‍♀️

Bloody awful if poor Bartleby dies of strangles 😥

Molecule · 31/05/2024 08:42

My exh was into horses, and we always had plenty of young ones knocking about. One did bring strangles onto the farm and it went through pretty much all the young horses. He didn’t bother with quarantining new ones and it seemed to contaminate the land for a few years, and subsequent horses would get it. However, whilst it tends to be horrid for the horse and they feel very poorly, they do recover and then have life long immunity- most older horses will have had some exposure and be immune. Oliver’s hunter, having lived a life around other horses should be immune, and Bartleby too (I don’t know how old Champion is; he could be at risk).

Having said that we did have one which developed “bastard” strangles, causing internal abscesses. She would seem to recover then they would come back. This happened over a number of years, then she seemed much better, had a couple of good years, was put in foal, all was good, then after the foal was weaned they came back with a vengeance and she had to be put down.

However, business wise for a riding school/livery yard it will be horrific, especially at such a busy time of the year.

TheUsualChaos · 31/05/2024 08:45

At livery stables, do horses ever drink from a communal trough, or do they have their own water in their stables? CBA to listen again but I’m sure Oliver took his horse off for a drink and I thought oho, does strangles spread through contaminated water as well?

yes it can be spread through water, it's ridiculously contagious. Livery horses are often turned out 3-4 to a paddock this time of year so would be sharing water troughs. But also if they only have a fence dividing grazing sections they can infect each other just by touching noses over the fence.

Gonners · 31/05/2024 08:47

I don't think there's necessarily anything sinister about Jason wanting to load the van, because he'll have how own way of doing it so as to make unloading each delivery easier. MrG always wants to "help" unload grocery deliveries, where helping = putting all the stuff for the freezer on the counter at the wrong end of the kitchen, dishwasher tablets in the bathroom and so forth.

Grimchmas · 31/05/2024 08:59

DeanElderberry · 31/05/2024 08:16

I couldn't understand why he wasn't warned that there was contagious disease at the stables and offered water in a (properly cleaned) bucket. It seemed irresponsible.

Same, but more to the point it was highly irresponsible of Lillian to allow him and the other nameless owners to take their horses off the property for the afternoon while she dithered about whether to enforce the vet advised lockdown! Her business insurance will be fucked too if they find out she went against vet advice. And sounds like she didn't tell them before they left the yard after fishing their lovely rides, either. If any of them went and gave internet celebrity Bartleby a pat on their way home...

Jacob is on for a busy time if he has volunteered to help Lillian with the yard during an infectious outbreak - his own biosecurity will need to be top notch to avoid spreading it to other yards (and i would expect him to be very on it because he's Jacob). Said other local yards tend to freak out and not act calmly upon hearing there's been a strangles outbreak. God forbid the happy hackers spread the infection to Harry's yard after the meticulously clean Jacob had been to give inoculations, I can imagine a Very Angry Harry or his mum come after Jacob and looking for Alice...

JanglyBeads · 31/05/2024 09:06

Timotei?

Hairy Vince Confused

Bruisername · 31/05/2024 09:18

I’d forgotten Harry had a family horse at the stables. So do they turn up - find out about Alice and his mum feels justified and believes she turned Harry back to drinking?

I was kind of hoping we were done with Harry tbh

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/05/2024 09:23

Bruisername · 31/05/2024 08:22

The reason my mil hates using nazi instead of Germans is that she is from the generation that spent the 60s and 70s fighting to recognise what happened rather than sweep it under the carpet

i hope we don’t have to hear too much about horse suffering. It sounds really horrible

I guess Jakob couldn’t say anything but was probably hoping Lillian would

My Dad (who would be 99 if he was still alive) was posted to Germany with the RAF just after the war. He found the Germans he met friendly and glad to be rid of the Nazis and that the war was over. He was anything but anti German, learned the language at evening classes and was involved with Town Twinning with a German town.

When children in my school playground in the late 50s used to have Germans as 'the baddies' he was opposed to it.

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/05/2024 09:29

Timotei = Tim Oakey . A villain who involved Ed in fly tipping or something.

Bruisername · 31/05/2024 09:43

post war a lot of the government was filled with ex nazis and the younger generation resented that.

like in France - a lot of collaborators ended up in charge.

for younger generations or those in the resistance that felt completely wrong And that they weren’t learning from their mistakes

MereDintofPandiculation · 31/05/2024 10:12

Am I the only one who hadn’t noticed till ow that Oliver has a horse?

SWs seem to have achieved their object with the D-Day memorial - we’re all talking about WWII

Bruisername · 31/05/2024 10:24

He’s been at hunts at the past - was he hunt master at one stage?

EBearhug · 31/05/2024 10:25

MereDintofPandiculation · 31/05/2024 10:12

Am I the only one who hadn’t noticed till ow that Oliver has a horse?

SWs seem to have achieved their object with the D-Day memorial - we’re all talking about WWII

Wasn't he joint MFH with Shula at one point?

BrightYellowDaffodil · 31/05/2024 10:48

At livery stables, do horses ever drink from a communal trough, or do they have their own water in their stables? CBA to listen again but I’m sure Oliver took his horse off for a drink and I thought oho, does strangles spread through contaminated water as well?

Yes, and often troughs are shared by more than one paddock - the trough is situated in the fence line and horses both sides of the fence can get to it. So if you've got two large herds that's potentially all of them exposed. Not only that but the farm next to us uses the river as a water source for some of their further-flung fields, so the infection could easily just flow downstream.