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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/05/2024 20:13

Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

Archers All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed, and of course we are always delighted to welcome back former or occasional listeners/posters. We don't all agree on all points, although we do mostly try to be civil about it. Most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd like to have your fortune told by Bartleby, or other unusual views. Grin

Archers Spoilers: not on this thread, please! We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/talk/radio_addicts/4636789-the-archers-spoilers-thread-7-cant-wait-for-702pm-join-us-here, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

Archers For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Thread thrown together in great haste in advance of tonight's episode. Who's in the Am? Is it George's fault? Is this the end for Alice? Over to you!

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TottersBlanklyOnTheEdge · 07/05/2024 09:40

I mentioned it on Sunday I think, @DeanElderberry - not as proof Alice couldn’t drive off but as evidence of her intention not to drive whilst drunk in charge of a stationary vehicle.

EBearhug · 07/05/2024 09:40

how much danger to put oneself in to rescue others etc. - my training didn't cover any of that and I'd just have to deal with it as best I could, as any non- specialist would.

You shouldn't be putting yourself in danger to rescue others. That's always been clear to me in first aid training, and particularly with water based. My most recent qualification is first aider at work (where it's also clear you shouldn't put yourself in danger) - the first thing you should do is check for danger. Better one dead casualty than a dead casualty and a dead rescuer.

But my first qualifications were lifesaving, so water based - I haven't done an RLSS qualification for 30 years, but while some aspects of resuscitation have changed, I would imagine they're still much the same for the order of least risky rescues, which I think were reach, throw, wade, row, swim. Basically, you avoid getting in the water if you can, because that increases the risk. Hypothermia/cold, underwater objects, fast currents.)

But even out of water, you need to think about road safety, risk of falls, chemicals, live electricity, risk of falling objects - all depends a bit on the environment.

My first aid courses have always dealt with how to deal with bystanders- ask them to move back, give space - but give them jobs, too. Get them to call the ambulance (and come back,) get them to help with casualties - they can put pressure on a bleeding wound, get coats for warmth, even help with CPR. It's always been covered in the courses I've done (RLSS, Red Cross, St John Ambulance.)

In reality, I've never had to deal with anything major, and knowing the theory might not mean anything in practice.

Merrymerrymerry · 07/05/2024 09:44

I’ve just reconnected with the Archers after a break (though was a life long listener before that)! I get everything that is going on apart from Denise - would anyone mind explaining her situation? Is it just straightforward cheating on her husband or more complicated than that? I googled and just found this — which would apply to many on Mumsnet it sometimes seems!

‘Both of her children have fledged the nest and her husband is almost equally absent, spending most of his time on long bicycle rides’

GreenSalon · 07/05/2024 09:48

@Madcats I was thinking the same. Surely it’s now or never for Rochelle to make an appearance.

DeanElderberry · 07/05/2024 09:49

I just don't get why putting her keys in the glovebox is proof of any intention. It was just a place to put her keys - might be what she always does with them when sitting in the car waiting for something.

MereDintofPandiculation · 07/05/2024 09:50

Godesstobe · 06/05/2024 20:42

My final prediction: George will be seriously injured while engaged in tree surgery and as he lies dying in his orange Ultimate Arboriculture fleece he will confess all.

He seems to be recovering but sepsis sets in …

TottersBlanklyOnTheEdge · 07/05/2024 09:59

Not proof, @DeanElderberry - just evidence which may or may not be persuasive.

((Really don’t want to go down this route - it’s decades since I was last active in a court room!)

EBearhug · 07/05/2024 09:59

I just don't get why putting her keys in the glovebox is proof of any intention.

It is better than thembaiting in the keyhole ready to be turned for driving. I'm not sure the police would be reassured though - I thought if the keys were on your person or in reach, it's almost the same as having it ready to drive. It's not something I worry about, though, as I don't drink, so could be wrong.

BreadAhoy · 07/05/2024 10:09

Not to mention the fact that lots of new nifty little numbers have keyless ignition. In my car, I could start the engine pressing a button as long as the keys were in the car somewhere. Let’s hope Alice’s doesn’t have similar or the glovebox is no defence at all!

Madcats · 07/05/2024 10:13

Am I the only one on here to wonder "what would Nancy say".

Merrymerrymerry · 07/05/2024 10:14

No @Madcats 😢

mehefin · 07/05/2024 10:19

@EBearhug In reality, I've never had to deal with anything major, and knowing the theory might not mean anything in practice.

From my experience it does. More than 30 years after my lifesaving training in the school pool it all flooded back when faced with a 12 year old stuck in a riptide and his friend trying to help him. Everyone survived, the worst affected being the mother who'd left them on the beach while she went to fetch chips.

And my phone did end up in the sea as referenced by a PP re George's phone.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 07/05/2024 10:56

Flowers @mehefin, sounds like you did an astounding job there. Well done.

@Merrymerrymerry, welcome (back?). Denise is the veterinary nurse at the practice where Alistair and Jakob work as the vets. Denise's son Paul is the other veterinary nurse, just to make things even more convoluted. Jakob is a relative newcomer and in a relationship with Brian's daughter Kate (but not cohabiting). We mostly like Jakob here. He seems to be on the autistic spectrum, but undiagnosed and high-functioning. He is refreshingly direct, unlike most Archers characters.

Jakob knows that Alistair and Denise have feelings for each other. So do Jim, Alistair's Dad, with whom he lives, and Jazzer, their ex-lodger, now married to Tracy Horrobin, sister of Susan Carter, Clive (banged up still?), Keith (ditto), Gary and Stu (latter two silent), all of whom are the children of Bert (silent) and the late Ivy (also silent). Paul doesn't know about A&D. Jakob very understandably is worried about the entanglement, but Jim and Jazzer, rather improbably, are encouraging Alistair to throw caution to the wind. Alistair used to be married to Shula but they've been divorced for ages now.

Denise and her husband John (who's a silent character) are not close but they are still married and living together. John has retired and taken up long-distance cycling. He and Denise seem not to talk much. John is not long back from a longish stay with his very elderly and ailing mum in the Caribbean (I forget which island). That was Denise's excuse for a time for not forcing him to talk to her about their marriage. Why she is even contemplating getting involved with A before ending her marriage is very unclear.

A & D were on their way to a hotel for a first night together, but (oddly) had gone to a restaurant elsewhere first, hence driving together late at night. I think that brings you up to date!

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Bruisername · 07/05/2024 11:00

Apparently Denise has tried to talk to John but he seems to know what she’s going to say and ends conversation.

given what a forthright person she is it seems quite surprising she hasn’t managed to pin him down yet

Bruisername · 07/05/2024 11:01

And I assume Denise questioned alastairs living arrangements because if she leaves John she won’t have anywhere to live

Merrymerrymerry · 07/05/2024 11:02

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g so helpful thank you! The bits I've listened to with A&D didn't really sound like an affair, just a bit.. strange?

But then I think the last affair I remember getting really involved with on the Archers was Ruth and... (forgot his name for a moment) Sam!

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 07/05/2024 11:04

Lalgarh · 07/05/2024 00:51

Is George now possessed by the demonic spirit of Rob Titchener

Nah, he's just taking after Uncle Alf and Uncle Clive.

Awful examples from both sides of the family, and young George idolised Alf.

The Horrobin men are varying degrees of awful (apart from the lovely Brad) and the Grundy men are also awful in various ways. Not one of them would be honest if it was going to be detrimental to them, they pretty much all default to dishonesty.

The only positive male role model George has is Neil and he feels contempt for him.

Alwaysdieting · 07/05/2024 11:05

Did Ruth have an affair whilst married to David?

Darker · 07/05/2024 11:05

David had a close shave with a woman called Sophie.

Merrymerrymerry · 07/05/2024 11:09

Alwaysdieting · 07/05/2024 11:05

Did Ruth have an affair whilst married to David?

Yes! His name was Sam, he was younger I think and worked on the farm...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thearchers/entries/5c0687c5-9826-4225-9e78-34d325e48ab9

Ruth and Sam (the Brookfield herdsman)

Do you remember Sam - the friendly herdsman who Ruth fell for at Brookfield?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thearchers/entries/5c0687c5-9826-4225-9e78-34d325e48ab9

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 07/05/2024 11:10

Alwaysdieting · 07/05/2024 11:05

Did Ruth have an affair whilst married to David?

Yes

There was also Roy's liaison with Elizabeth while still married to Hayley.

Cauliflowersandcaterpillars · 07/05/2024 11:11

The initial story will see George cast as the hero of the hour. Emma will be bending everyone's ear with tales of George's heroism ("he's a good boy, really"). Emma will be thrilled to finally have something she can boast about George doing and she just won't think. She'll say something which someone else will realise doesn't make sense.

E.g. she'll tell someone that George was walking home from wherever the party was, and that person will realise that the bridge where the accident happened wasn't on his route home.

harriethoyle · 07/05/2024 11:12

I think that's spot on @Cauliflowersandcaterpillars - she won't be able to resist boasting and it will all come crashing down because of it...

Cauliflowersandcaterpillars · 07/05/2024 11:15

Alwaysdieting · 07/05/2024 11:05

Did Ruth have an affair whilst married to David?

As I recall, Ruth stopped short of actually sleeping with Sam.

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